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I DON'T KNOW HOW TO POST THE PICTURES BUT HERES SOMETHING WHICH SURPRISE A FEW PEOPLE - A MASONIC LODGE MEETING AT HUDDERSFIELD CALLED THE RUGBY FOOTBALL LODGE , ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS TO COVER BOTH CODES.

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Given the history of Freemasonry and the nature of this discrimniatory and secret society. I am somewhat surprised that the existence of a masonic lodge in league is welcomed on this board

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

Although Masonic Lodges were allowed to conceal their membership by an act of the Labour government in 1967. Should a sport that prides itself on "radicalism" (or so some of you tell me) want association with an organisation that not only disbars the female population from joining but who also conceals its members and behind doors activities from public scrutiny.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

and their strange rituals

It's a serious post - Should RL figures have anything to do with Freemasonry - whatever the charitable intent?

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Given the history of Freemasonry and the nature of this discrimniatory and secret society. I am somewhat surprised that the existence of a masonic lodge in league is welcomed on this board

Probably because sport is a great way to engender communication and openness.

Do you object to the RL developments in the Arab/Persian Gulf? There's no shortage of discriminatory and secretive behaviour there, either.

The Catholic Church is hardly a beacon of historical tolerance and open governance, guess we'd better frown upon all the RL teams formed associated with Catholic churches etc.

We're trying to be an open and non-discriminatory sport. If setting such an example can help others to behave in a similar manner, I see no reason we should not "welcome" them - doing so is not to automatically condone any historical transgressions etc.

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Given the history of Freemasonry and the nature of this discrimniatory and secret society. I am somewhat surprised that the existence of a masonic lodge in league is welcomed on this board

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

Although Masonic Lodges were allowed to conceal their membership by an act of the Labour government in 1967. Should a sport that prides itself on "radicalism" (or so some of you tell me) want association with an organisation that not only disbars the female population from joining but who also conceals its members and behind doors activities from public scrutiny.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

and their strange rituals

It's a serious post - Should RL figures have anything to do with Freemasonry - whatever the charitable intent?

Given that the sport also has a history of tolerance (doesn't it?), why shouldn't Freemasonry/Freemasons be associated with the sport?

I haven't read your links (may do tonight) but don't always believe or take as gospel what an organisation's detractors say. You could make a case against many non-mainstream sections of society based upon that approach.

The problem about being a small sport anchored in a relatively small section of society is that we haven't been used to diversity (and, yes, Masons are part of that diversity).

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Given the history of Freemasonry and the nature of this discrimniatory and secret society. I am somewhat surprised that the existence of a masonic lodge in league is welcomed on this board

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

Although Masonic Lodges were allowed to conceal their membership by an act of the Labour government in 1967. Should a sport that prides itself on "radicalism" (or so some of you tell me) want association with an organisation that not only disbars the female population from joining but who also conceals its members and behind doors activities from public scrutiny.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

and their strange rituals

It's a serious post - Should RL figures have anything to do with Freemasonry - whatever the charitable intent?

Sadly looking on the internet and taking whatever garbage is there as fact is rather naive,

It certainly isn't discriminatory as anyone can join regardless of race or religion the only prerequisite is to believe in a supreme being,and there are lodges for ladies who do not permit men.

Freemasonry is now more open than it used to be , but the reason for the secrecy of the membership was due to the persecution masons received during the WW2,there is a Police station in Malaga covered in masonic symbols and the conspiracy theorists will say "look the police don't even hide the fact they are masons over here" but what actually happened was general Franco took over the masonic building ,garotted 80 or so of the membership on the steps outside and placed his secret police in the building.

Also the united grand lodge of england is the biggest charity giving organisation in the uk with the exception of the national lottery - why would'nt Stevo etc support a charitable cause.

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Sadly looking on the internet and taking whatever garbage is there as fact is rather naive,

It certainly isn't discriminatory as anyone can join regardless of race or religion the only prerequisite is to believe in a supreme being,and there are lodges for ladies who do not permit men.

Freemasonry is now more open than it used to be , but the reason for the secrecy of the membership was due to the persecution masons received during the WW2,there is a Police station in Malaga covered in masonic symbols and the conspiracy theorists will say "look the police don't even hide the fact they are masons over here" but what actually happened was general Franco took over the masonic building ,garotted 80 or so of the membership on the steps outside and placed his secret police in the building.

Also the united grand lodge of england is the biggest charity giving organisation in the uk with the exception of the national lottery - why would'nt Stevo etc support a charitable cause.

Thank you the grand high wizard of propaganda. I'm typing this with my trouser leg rolled up just in case...

As for a supreme being - this is the 21st century, y'know.

We'll be having the bl00dy diabolists on here next doing a sponsored walk for junior RL.

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Given the history of Freemasonry and the nature of this discrimniatory and secret society. I am somewhat surprised that the existence of a masonic lodge in league is welcomed on this board

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

Although Masonic Lodges were allowed to conceal their membership by an act of the Labour government in 1967. Should a sport that prides itself on "radicalism" (or so some of you tell me) want association with an organisation that not only disbars the female population from joining but who also conceals its members and behind doors activities from public scrutiny.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

and their strange rituals

It's a serious post - Should RL figures have anything to do with Freemasonry - whatever the charitable intent?

what he said.

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Thank you the grand high wizard of propaganda.

Strange you didn't accuse RR of propaganda after his post.

Once again, do you object to the Gulf RL developments, or RL clubs which were originally linked to Catholic churches?

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Right, just had a quick look at those links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

A wikipedia entry on freemasonry, as potentially accurate/inaccurate as anything on there. Discriminatory? They seem to admit anyone who believes in a 'supreme being', including those from the major world religions, and there are women's lodges. Secret? Is that a problem? To be honest, I haven't a clue which organisations my next door neighbour is a member of - do I need to know? Do I have the right to know?

Masonic lodges are allowed to conceal their membership? Aren't other organisations? I don't know who is in, for example, Hull KR Supporters Club and I can't think how I would find out. Is this any different? As for its 'behind doors' activities, why shouldn't it hide them from public scrutiny (if they are illegal then the authorities can investigate).

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

You'll forgive me if I don't read all those links, won't you, but could you please give me the gist of what the site is watching the Freemasons for? It seems to have a lot of references to Obama - is he a mason?

Also, and this seems strange on a site that is for watching Freemasonry, there seems to be quite a few references to Roman Catholicism on this site, including a strange video near the bottom ('Our Lady of Guadalupe') - is OLoG a masonic icon? - and a photo of Notre Dame, Montreal(?). Is this some Dan Brown conspiracy site? If so you should take your views to AOB where a good conspiracy 'discussion' is always welcome.

Monty Python, as always, do the business. "Hilarious Monty Python sendup of the Freemasons, their ridiculous secrecy and less than savory business and career preferment practices." says the youtube entry, together with a link to your freemasonry watch site. What the video poster doesn't say is that the sketch also rips the p*** out of those who overly fret about the organisation.

RL is not a 'radical' sport, in fact one of its faults is that it has been too conservative and too traditional in its history. It is a sport, a very good one, but not one that needs to be protected from wider society. RL, as I once said in a discussion about gays and RL, needs to be in every corner of society. A frightening thought for some but necessary for the health of the sport.

Now could you be a bit more specific about why you don't want masons or freemasonry associated with rugby league?

And, in the interests of openness, could you possibly reveal whether you are a member of any organisations (secular or religious) or hold any views that may cause you to be hostile to this group of society? ;)

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Strange you didn't accuse RR of propaganda after his post.

Once again, do you object to the Gulf RL developments, or RL clubs which were originally linked to Catholic churches?

1. True.

2. No, but this is different.

3. Er...

4. ... that's it.

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Consider this:

Keith Mason plays for Huddersfield.

Is that a coincidence? I don't think so.

We should be told the truth now, before it's too late.

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2. No, but this is different.

In what way?

My apartment isn't open to the general public, and I have no intention of detailing everything that takes place in it.

Presumably, I'm not welcome in RL.

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It's a serious post - Should RL figures have anything to do with Freemasonry - whatever the charitable intent?

No, I think the whole ethos of RL is completely opposite to what the Freemasons are about.

I've written before that I was on the verge of being invited to join the masons. Had a tour of the inner sanctum and everything. Setting aside the political and ethical problems I had with them, it was difficult to keep a straight face. I kept wanting to shout "For Christ's sake, you're a bunch of middle managers from Rochdale, get over yourselves"

I thought, in order to save anyone any embarrassment, that I would declare my atheism before they got a chance to ask me if I was interested.

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One is a covert hotbed of self-interested religiously-motivated maniacs seeking to use their international connections for self agrandisement, mutual promotion and avoidance of recrimination for its actions. The other is Arabs engaged in a bit of tig and pass.

Just because you're not prepared to let people into the intimate happenings that take place in your flat doesn't mean that you'll also heavily discriminate in favour of similar apartmentinati.

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Masonic lodges are allowed to conceal their membership? Aren't other organisations? I don't know who is in, for example, Hull KR Supporters Club and I can't think how I would find out. Is this any different? As for its 'behind doors' activities, why shouldn't it hide them from public scrutiny (if they are illegal then the authorities can investigate).

Any organisation where people want to conceal their membership is dodgy by definition IMO.

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Also, and this seems strange on a site that is for watching Freemasonry, there seems to be quite a few references to Roman Catholicism on this site, .

Catholics aren't allowed to be Freemasons. Catholics who are Masons are in a state of grave sin and may not take Holy Communion.

If you believe in that claptrap, then that's probably important.

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I've known a couple of freemasons who were officially CofE but whose high church attitudes would have made the Pope blush.

One recently died of cancer and had a Requiem Mass held for him in Rome.

But was still buried CofE and a mason.

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I've just had a quote for some work from a stonemason. I thought it was a bit on the pricey side.

Is there a funny handshake I could give him that will knock 20% off the price?

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Is there a funny handshake I could give him that will knock 20% off the price?

Just utter the secret code: "I'll pay cash."

That knocks 17.5% off now and 20% off in the new year.

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Just because you're not prepared to let people into the intimate happenings that take place in your flat doesn't mean that you'll also heavily discriminate in favour of similar apartmentinati.

I'm probably more likely to heavily discriminate in favour of people who visit my apartment than random strangers. They're likely to be my friends, after all, or acquaintances through other friends who came along with them.

So yes, I do discriminate in favour of similar apartmentinati - and also my family, membership of whom is hardly open to the general public.

If they want their secret club where they wear funny clothes and prance about behind closed doors, then fine - just as with members only bars, golf clubs etc. I have no doubt plenty of nepotism exists in those places too, but I'm not about to object to them getting involved in RL and doing charity work.

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I'm probably more likely to heavily discriminate in favour of people who visit my apartment than random strangers. They're likely to be my friends, after all, or acquaintances through other friends who came along with them.

So yes, I do discriminate in favour of similar apartmentinati - and also my family, membership of whom is hardly open to the general public.

If they want their secret club where they wear funny clothes and prance about behind closed doors, then fine - just as with members only bars, golf clubs etc. I have no doubt plenty of nepotism exists in those places too, but I'm not about to object to them getting involved in RL and doing charity work.

So, if you were a police officer, a judge or a politician or in some other position of influence, you would circumvent due-process or the law to benefit your fellow apartmentinati. Glad we got that cleared up.

They'll probably cut out your tongue and nail it to the ship canal's high tide mark just for talking about it on here.

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So, if you were a police officer, a judge or a politician or in some other position of influence, you would circumvent due-process or the law to benefit your fellow apartmentinati.

No, I wouldn't.

Such things have quite probably happened in masonic circles, just as they have in members of private golf clubs and drinking establishments etc.

I don't think that's a reason to discourage them from getting involved in RL and doing charity work, however.

They'll probably cut out your tongue and nail it to the ship canal's high tide mark just for talking about it on here.

It'll be more like drinking a "dirty pint" or diving naked into a river from some bridge, knowing the people who frequent my apartment.

Or eating one of those weird whole fried soft-shell crab sandwiches from Virginia, knowing the mrs. No, that's not a euphamism - they're like giant spider butties, with the legs dangling over the side of the bread.

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