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Can Rugby League afford another Leeds v Saints Grand Final?

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also corrolates to a drop in prosperity in the country.. but yes its not a great trend...

What about the Challenge Cup?

2007: 84,241

2008: 82,821

2009: 76,560

2010: 85,217

Different line ups every year and not seen anything like the same drop despite 2009 not including 2 of the best supported sides in the league at the time.

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There is no evidence that teams monopolising a competition is bad for that sport's spectators. Somebody used Scottish football as an example. I daresay ever Scottish club is thankful for the economic benefits Rangers and Celtics bring just as Spanish football clubs are similarly glad for Real and Barca. Australia tour after tour destroyed British clubs / won test series after test series but the fans kept coming and asking for more. When Wigan were enjoying the best example of modern day monopolisation the attendances for games v Wigan were invariably the highest or one of the highest for any other club etc. The Eels and the Bulldogs dominated the NSWRL competition in the 1980's but the game grew etc Boxing fans love nothing better than a trilogy of fights. Repeat fights create huge interest.

So on that basis all we have are illogical rantings of the jealous.

The very same fans that said Salary Cap MUST HAVE IT for the Good of the game without considering that even in those so called dark days of evil clubs like Widnes, Halifax, Featherston, Sheffield and even Warrington won competitions whereas in a salary cap franchise era such events become even rarer. So please remember if you are favour of a salary cap / franchising then predictability is part of the price you accept. Maybe many RL fans should have read the small print before letting jealousy and spite rule their heads.

Are you for real? Once again your facts don't stack up. What is the state of current international RL crowds especially in Australia? When we used to win it they would get 70 odd thousand in Australia for 3 games series. I was there when there was 25k for a one off. This despite the game in Australia being as popular as ever. I'm sure Scottish fans love Celtic and Rangers to the extent that the next best attended club gets 14,000 in comparison to near 60k for those two clubs. Who knows what a bit of success would get them.

Anyway nobody is talking about one team dominating they are talking about repeat finals, totally different things. The facts for this do actually stack up.

What exactly would I be jealous about? I'm a Widnes fan who is just interested in a decent final and I have very little interest in another Saints-Leeds final. The chances of me attending such a final are zero. However if it's Saints-Wigan or Huddersfield are there I might just go because I will be interested.

Your last point is just bizarre. How exactly do you come up with the idea that the salary cap ensures predictability? As ever you cherry pick your stats ignoring the fact that the last time we didn't have a salary cap Wigan dominated and the Premier League without a salary cap is dominated by the same few sides. The fact that Saints are there instead of Wire or Wigan is testament to the salary cap.

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What about the Challenge Cup?

2007: 84,241

2008: 82,821

2009: 76,560

2010: 85,217

Different line ups every year and not seen anything like the same drop despite 2009 not including 2 of the best supported sides in the league at the time.

which is an interesting comparison..

every year till this year it was dropping, not by as much granted but still dropping. London is a draw in itself and there is a "weekend" culture around the challenge cup and a much more established culture.

the pick up in 2010 could be seen as a spike with leeds getting there and also perhaps a feeling of "well i havent been for a few years due to being skint" and so going again.

The line ups were different and yet the numbers were dropping so maybe the grand final is a mixture of the economic situation and the two similar teams.

They're not exact same situations as they are different cities and very different for RL as there is distance, romance, history etc in one where as the other is one big bang night.. but perhaps one an learn from the other or we can certainly see where issues are with one compared to the other.. certainly makes for interesting reading in comparison.

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