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I think Mo can be summed up as thus; his ability to be a front-end man, nodding in the right places and saying the right things, he is without peers. Which, at the time of Murdoch's money coming in, is exactly what the game needed. A day-to-day astute business man, pushing the game forward at club level; not the man for the job.

When he comes into a situation he is like a beath of fresh air, with smiles all round. When he leaves, he appears to leave with a bit of a mess behind.

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Keighley Cougars... Denied a place in the top flight.

Who denied them a place Matt? Did Maurice Lindsay take that decision personally or somebody else? Have you noticed no Maurice Lindsay and still clubs are being denied places in the top flight.

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I think Mo can be summed up as thus; his ability to be a front-end man, nodding in the right places and saying the right things, he is without peers. Which, at the time of Murdoch's money coming in, is exactly what the game needed. A day-to-day astute business man, pushing the game forward at club level; not the man for the job.

When he comes into a situation he is like a beath of fresh air, with smiles all round. When he leaves, he appears to leave with a bit of a mess behind.

Not a bad description....certainly he seems to leave enemies!

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Workington? I presume we are talking about the Peter Walsh era? With all due respect how on earth can you say that a RFL employee determined where players went or did not go.

You should maybe go find out exactly what happened at the time before talking about something you have absolutely no knowledge of.

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Who denied them a place Matt? Did Maurice Lindsay take that decision personally or somebody else? Have you noticed no Maurice Lindsay and still clubs are being denied places in the top flight.

He was head of the organisation (RFL) and representative of the string pullers (Sky) that denied them, his legacy lives on then... he's a ##### of the highest order.

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You should maybe go find out exactly what happened at the time before talking about something you have absolutely no knowledge of.

Do tell then!

We'd all like the gory details rather than allusions.

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Do tell then!

We'd all like the gory details rather than allusions.

Workington had a couple of good overseas players about to sign for us, the lovely uncle Mo told them if they were to play in England then it would be for PSG and blocked them coming to Town. This after Town had done all the leg work and were on the brink of signing them.

Edited by dkw

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A lot of the club's fans were aggrieved with the way Maurice ran the club in his second stint, believing that he was still 'living in the 80's' and that he should leave.

Due to the increasing pressure on Lindsay from the fans for him to step down

And that is Wigan fans wanting him out!!

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Maurice Lindsay thinks he revolutionised the game which is different to reality. He was merely a pawn or a puppet of Murdoch in his quest to gain power of Australian Rugby League in the pay to view war with Kerry Packer.

Murdoch needed to get the British game on board to strengthen his case and Lindsay happened to be in the right position at the time this came about. It could have been anyone but it happened to be Lindsay.

It was Lindsay who wanted a team in Paris and he did everything in his power to ensure that he got that team. It was this that caused so many problems for Workington Town because come hell or high water he was determined that Paris would finish above Town at the end of the season and so not be relegated.

Paris that season had over 70 players and most of them were not British. Two players were supposed to be coming to play for Town but were somehow "waylaid" and ended up at PSG. John Kear at the time was employed as the Director of Coaching Development at the RFL and he was sent across to PSG to, in his own words on Sky, to ensure that PSG finish above Workington. Next Lindsay himself and Harry Jepson went over to Paris and became directors of PSG and of course we won't mention the dubious win that Paris had in the last match of the season which saw Town relegated.

The following season it was Oldham's turn to compete with PSG but in the end the debts at Paris got so high that the project was brought to a halt with debts of over

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You should maybe go find out exactly what happened at the time before talking about something you have absolutely no knowledge of.

And you do?

Your whole premise / you whole stance is based on what ifs / maybe / could have beens. You have zero proof.

Whatsmore, do you think deals re signings always go ahead. Wigan signed numerous players only for the deal never to reach the stage whereby the player represented the club.

To then argue that your so called views = relegation/doom for Workington is absurd. A club can sign the best player in the world and he breaks his leg, season doomed.

So your hatred of another human being is based on fresh air

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Maurice Lindsay thinks he revolutionised the game which is different to reality. He was merely a pawn or a puppet of Murdoch in his quest to gain power of Australian Rugby League in the pay to view war with Kerry Packer.

Murdoch needed to get the British game on board to strengthen his case and Lindsay happened to be in the right position at the time this came about. It could have been anyone but it happened to be Lindsay.

It was Lindsay who wanted a team in Paris and he did everything in his power to ensure that he got that team. It was this that caused so many problems for Workington Town because come hell or high water he was determined that Paris would finish above Town at the end of the season and so not be relegated.

Paris that season had over 70 players and most of them were not British. Two players were supposed to be coming to play for Town but were somehow "waylaid" and ended up at PSG. John Kear at the time was employed as the Director of Coaching Development at the RFL and he was sent across to PSG to, in his own words on Sky, to ensure that PSG finish above Workington. Next Lindsay himself and Harry Jepson went over to Paris and became directors of PSG and of course we won't mention the dubious win that Paris had in the last match of the season which saw Town relegated.

The following season it was Oldham's turn to compete with PSG but in the end the debts at Paris got so high that the project was brought to a halt with debts of over

Edited by Allan Marsden

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Thats all you have then?

He's a disgrace to the sport.

It wasn't deserving of anything else Matt.

Like anybody Lindsay has done things well and things badly BUT his good makes him a credit to the sport and somebody who did far more than you or I ever did.

I often think many fans need to just go and watch amateur RL. The concept of professional sport is too difficult for them to comprehend and perhaps not alevel of sport that they can enjoy.

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It wasn't deserving of anything else Matt.

Like anybody Lindsay has done things well and things badly BUT his good makes him a credit to the sport and somebody who did far more than you or I ever did.

I often think many fans need to just go and watch amateur RL. The concept of professional sport is too difficult for them to comprehend and perhaps not alevel of sport that they can enjoy.

:lol: Hail Lindsay or you cannot understand professional sport, beautiful.

The Lindsay era was dire, only a small handful benefited, but still, congratulate him on getting a sky deal anybody half competent could have done also.

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Whatsmore respected and knowledgeable figures like Harry Edgar talk of awful mismanagement with Cumbrian professional clubs and the seeming reluctance of Cumbria to come together to form a collective Cumbrian Franchise whilst retaining the feeder club. Perhaps Harry Edgar knows nothing too :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact Harry Edgar and I exchanged letters in the Whitehaven News back in 1995 about the proposed merger of Haven and Town and Harry was the main man at that time that was against the idea. He led the call for Haven to remain a community club and for a time later he actually became a member of the board at that club, so I wonder how he would describe that period of management.

Town came out of SL with no parachute payment and several players on SL size contracts. The crowds dropped and they couldn't afford the salaries and from there it was all downhill. The bottom came when we went in to administration with the double jeopardy of losing out on the Sky payments that lower league clubs were paid at that time. We went nearly two seasons without any Sky money at the very time when the club needed it most to help pay the debts. All in all I think our board of directors have done quite well to the point where we show a small profit in the last published accounts. Maybe Harry is a bit out of date, eh!!!

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Thats all you have then?

He's a disgrace to the sport.

"Don't tell him, Pike!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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A lot of the club's fans were aggrieved with the way Maurice ran the club in his second stint, believing that he was still 'living in the 80's' and that he should leave.

Due to the increasing pressure on Lindsay from the fans for him to step down

And that is Wigan fans wanting him out!!

I knew Allan Marsden wouldn't comment on this one, after all it was his own fans wanting him out :D:D:D

Wigan fans had simply had enough, that's how good the man was :lol::lol:;)

So plain and simple, we want lindsay out!

Edited by 1976PMJwires

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So what? Churchill was kicked out by the post war electorate, just as the forum's fave party, Labour, has been. Does not mean to say they were never any good in the first place.

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And you do?

Your whole premise / you whole stance is based on what ifs / maybe / could have beens. You have zero proof.

No it isnt, it is based on fact and truth as this did actually happen, see Keiths comments for further proof of how he was more than happy to see Town take a fall to save his beloved PSG. Where do I say what if/maybe/could have been. You simply cant see anything wrong with him can you, did he used to tip you well on your paper round or something.

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Well the RFL Accounts were not signed of for a few years after Uncle Mo left, His finacal leacay to the RFL 'appeared' not to be too rosey. (ditto Wigan).

You are confusing Mo with Jack Robinson, Robinson was the problem at Wigan, Mo had been long gone. I am sick of posting the realities of why the Nat West Bank wouldn't deal with Jack the lad.

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:lol: Hail Lindsay or you cannot understand professional sport, beautiful.

The Lindsay era was dire, only a small handful benefited, but still, congratulate him on getting a sky deal anybody half competent could have done also.

Lindsay and the rest of the gang of 4 raised the profile of RL in this country so EVERYBODY benefitted. That period saw British RL come closest to closing the gap on Australia and but for Lee Jackson taking a dummy and a last gasp dummy we could have won an Ashes. Individually, Lindsay was the man that revitalised the WCC to give several clubs some of the greatest moments in their history.

I understand that does not suit your bitterness hence why I think you are far better suited to watching Amateur RL.

Edited by Allan Marsden

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Lindsay and the rest of the gang of 4 raised the profile of RL in this country so EVERYBODY benefitted.

They didnt, they really didnt.

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No it isnt, it is based on fact and truth as this did actually happen, see Keiths comments for further proof of how he was more than happy to see Town take a fall to save his beloved PSG. Where do I say what if/maybe/could have been. You simply cant see anything wrong with him can you, did he used to tip you well on your paper round or something.

You clearly either do not read or cannot comprehend DKW

Firstly. I have PRAISED and CRITICISED Maurice Lindsay. His first stint at Wigan was a fanrastic success. They say never go back and that may be right. He did very well initially but it turned sour and he became a puppet for Dave Whelan and the handling of Mike Gregory will always be criticised by Wigan fans including myself.

RE Workington. READ and UNDERSTOOD proof is objective evidence that you can support. What you and Keith are putting forward is pure subjective conjecture. Cumbrian Clubs have for a long time been mismanaged. Maurice Lindsay did not panic and boot Peter Walsh or is that another Lindsay conspiracy theory? As I said previously NO Lindsay and yet the RFL / the member clubs continued and still do to look after themselves and shaft anybody else including Cumbrian clubs. The RL family has never really existed.

RE Wigan / Maurice Lindsay. What fans of other clubs need to understand is that Wigan's success was BUILT by 4 MEN all were vital. Lindsay as the front man bore the brunt of the spite and jealousy from other RL fans Yet he was 1 of 4. The jealous / bitter have no idea how important Jack Hilton was, why because he was in the background. Yet Hilton, Rathbon, Robinson and Lindsay TOGETHER was the key. Lindsay and Robinson on their own both had limitations and never achieved the same heights.

Wigan was built by 4 MEN

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They didnt, they really didnt.

If you belong to anything that has a bigger national / media profile then when you knock on doors and ask for investment / sponsorship it is far far easier. Are you telling me it is not DKW?

If you think it is (IT IS BTW) then Wigan made that happen from 1985-1995.

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