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Bradford Bulls Pledge Campaign

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As a fan of a Championship club, I'm fully aware that life can be a struggle financially for clubs below Super League. However, I don't buy this "we're all crippled financially" line from Lounge Room Lizard.

It is perfectly possible to run a club well in the lower leagues on a shoestring budget if needs be. The clubs that have struggled the most in recent years are usually those who are badly managed, with boards who allow coaches to pay over the odds for ex Super League players and journeymen Aussies.

Ring any bells Mr Lizard?

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free market forces, bradford should try and get fans from anywhere else

if batley or dewsbury are too lazy to market themselves in their towns and the bulls can get more fans, go for it

man utd apparently get many fans from london so whats wrong with what bradford are doing.

you dont see brentford fans complaining about man utds london fans

Problem is Dally, is that unlike soccer, RL is not a free market because there is no current unfettered gangway to SL for Batley and Dewsbury.

batley or dewsbury could spend millions on marketing but sadly potenial fans know that there'll be no SL at Batley or Dewsbury until 20 ##### 15

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Problem is Dally, is that unlike soccer, RL is not a free market because there is no current unfettered gangway to SL for Batley and Dewsbury.

batley or dewsbury could spend millions on marketing but sadly potenial fans know that there'll be no SL at Batley or Dewsbury until 20 ##### 15

If the clubs had millions they could merge as you have suggested, build a stadium better than odsal and finance full cap which Bradford are struggling with.

Then they could get Lounge Room Lizard to drive their marketing bus to Odsal.

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Then they could get Lounge Room Lizard to drive their marketing bus to Odsal.

Not on a Thursday afternoon though, he's got double Physics and RI.

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The main consensus here seems to be why dont Batley do there own marketing and beat the Bulls to it. The problem is we dont have the money to do anything on a grand scale so we just have to sit back and watch. It may not be ilegal but I feel its morally wrong. Would the Bulls be happy if they got 500 new fans but the Bulldogs went bust? If the RL world shared the wealth just a little then I think there would be a few SL clubs getting a rather worried. Batley and Dewsbury are well run clubs, and with a little financial help could make the push forward and be included in the ideal of a two tier fully professional league. In the past 10 years or so we have become the First RL club to have classroom facilities for local Children. Revamped all 4 sides of the ground and consistently competed in the CC every year having the lowest playing budget in the league (except last year the Rams had the lowest). We do all this on the lowest gates in the CC and without a single overseas player and bang in the middle of Hudds Leeds Bradford and Wake. (about 5 miles from each) Is this not the Rfl's masterplan for SL clubs already in action? Ground development, young local talent, comunity integration?. Wouldnt it be nice of the RFL to acknowledge this and say "Heres

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Problem is Dally, is that unlike soccer, RL is not a free market because there is no current unfettered gangway to SL for Batley and Dewsbury.

batley or dewsbury could spend millions on marketing but sadly potenial fans know that there'll be no SL at Batley or Dewsbury until 20 ##### 15

What total claptrap Lobby. The doors to soccer's 'free' market only open for a multi million pound fee. A price many dozens of times higher than the 'entrance fee' into SL. Neither Batley nor Dewsbury (or Leigh) could spend millions on anything, even if you added their assets together, because they don't have it to spend. Clubs spending mythical millions, just a typical load of Lobbycobblers.

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What total claptrap Lobby. The doors to soccer's 'free' market only open for a multi million pound fee. A price many dozens of times higher than the 'entrance fee' into SL. Neither Batley nor Dewsbury (or Leigh) could spend millions on anything, even if you added their assets together, because they don't have it to spend. Clubs spending mythical millions, just a typical load of Lobbycobblers.

What if they did have it to spend though? Would/could the RFL ever let them up or would the likes of Bradford throw a spanner in the works? Even if Batley or Dewsbury had the richest man in the world behind them, the fact is they still couldn't be in SL until 2015 - And the ##### handwavers know that

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What if they did have it to spend though? Would/could the RFL ever let them up or would the likes of Bradford throw a spanner in the works? Even if Batley or Dewsbury had the richest man in the world behind them, the fact is they still couldn't be in SL until 2015 - And the ##### handwavers know that

if they had the richest man in the world backing them, he could buy all rl and have whatever teams he chooses.

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In effect, one of the richest men in the world ... Rupert Murdoch ... does control Superleague.

If he wanted to create a hybrid of RL and RU to replace Superleague, I reckon some Superleague clubs would have to go for it.

We'd be left with on old-style RL First and Second Division.

First Division rugby, just like the old days, for Leigh and Fax. Lobby and Lounge Lizard would take only half a season to start the campaign against automatic promotion and relegation.

B)

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if they had the richest man in the world backing them, he could buy all rl and have whatever teams he chooses.

Actually you are only allowed to own one club, as Lenaghan found out.

And lets just say that a millionaire wanted only Batley (or Dewsbury). What then?

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In effect, one of the richest men in the world ... Rupert Murdoch ... does control Superleague.

If he wanted to create a hybrid of RL and RU to replace Superleague, I reckon some Superleague clubs would have to go for it.

We'd be left with on old-style RL First and Second Division.

First Division rugby, just like the old days, for Leigh and Fax. Lobby and Lounge Lizard would take only half a season to start the campaign against automatic promotion and relegation.

B)

The way things are now, I could accept a hybrid game if it meant soccer style promotion through the pyramid. At least we'd have a chance of glory. We'd get used to the bits that we not familiar to RL, and anyway it would evolve back to a game more like RL anyway

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Actually you are only allowed to own one club, as Lenaghan found out.

And lets just say that a millionaire wanted only Batley (or Dewsbury). What then?

if you're the richest man in the world. you can pretty much do what you like, like buy the whole of the game of rl. if you're going to come up with this faux indignation at least let it have some semblance of sense, if not, just go back to the 'rectangular stadium' stuff.

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Oh dear

the poor folk of the wet and windy side of the pennines are all getting in a strop with each other!

Last time i looked it wasnt compulsary to buy just because youd seen an advert.

I see asda and sainsburys ads all the time, still prefer to buy my stuff at aldi

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And lets just say that a millionaire wanted only Batley (or Dewsbury). What then?

Firstly he would have to be worth more than a million. Given the price of houses and size of come pension funds some pretty ordinary middle class people are worth close on that. Let's say he has

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Oh dear

the poor folk of the wet and windy side of the pennines are all getting in a strop with each other!

Last time i looked it wasnt compulsary to buy just because youd seen an advert.

I see asda and sainsburys ads all the time, still prefer to buy my stuff at aldi

How many Asda vans you see in a Sainsbury's car park ;)

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The way things are now, I could accept a hybrid game if it meant soccer style promotion through the pyramid. At least we'd have a chance of glory.

A hybrid game would be populated by about 14 big ex-RU clubs with money followed by another 8 ex- RL clubs with money.

There's 16 clubs between Leigh and the "top" at the moment. A hybrid game will put you to at least 27th. at the moment so beware a Hybrid game. You may end up in the third division. Should the french and welsh join the hybrid you may make division five or six.

Leigh c.50M population, Widnes c. 50M population. leigh past cup winners and champs, Widnes past cup winners and champs, Leigh - good amateur game, Widnes good amateur game. Both clubs super grounds.

The SL do not want Leigh but are falling over themselves for Widnes. Therein lies your key.

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You have no idea as usual.First the likes of Batley,Fev and Halifax do plenty of marketing. They go in to virtually every school and college in their area, work with kids museums etc. These clubs are not lazy just lack money and manpower.

Do Man Utd and Liverpool do not go throwing tickets away or promoting themselves elsewhere.They do not need to so your stupid comment is pointless as usual.

oh well if those clubs dont have the resources to attract fans and the bulls do, so be it.

market forces will play this out

much rather than go and watch RL than soccer.

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Problem is Dally, is that unlike soccer, RL is not a free market because there is no current unfettered gangway to SL for Batley and Dewsbury.

batley or dewsbury could spend millions on marketing but sadly potenial fans know that there'll be no SL at Batley or Dewsbury until 20 ##### 15

the introduction of franchising means clubs with more money and fans will get into SL whilst those with no money wont. so i dont see how its anti free market.

batley and dewsbury have had a century to get it right, lets not blame no promotion for 3 years for the clubs f***k ups.

realistically batley and dewsbury cant support a SL club

fax potentially can but not with lots of development.

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oh well if those clubs dont have the resources to attract fans and the bulls do, so be it.

market forces will play this out

much rather than go and watch RL than soccer.

Walt they dont need resources to pull in fans, they pretty much sell out every week anyway, till you get your head round how big football is here, you'll never get it.

A little help for you, football is 10x bigger here and probably more than rugby league is to you in Aus, its that big

2 games on today, Newcastle play stoke, wolves play villa, neither will have needed advertising locally cos they'll both pretty much sell out anyway, villa is a top 6 club the other 3 are pretty much average premier league sides

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Walt they dont need resources to pull in fans, they pretty much sell out every week anyway, till you get your head round how big football is here, you'll never get it.

A little help for you, football is 10x bigger here and probably more than rugby league is to you in Aus, its that big

2 games on today, Newcastle play stoke, wolves play villa, neither will have needed advertising locally cos they'll both pretty much sell out anyway, villa is a top 6 club the other 3 are pretty much average premier league sides

how did soccer become so popular?

somewhere along the line there was some marketing involved

im well aware of soccer crowds and ratings lee.

indeed i look at the soccer tables each week hoping that teams like wigan, leeds or hudds get relegated!

my point above was people in batley and dewesbry probably have a soccer side they support and that doesnt seem to be a problem

its only if a rival RL club markets to them where its an issue. if people from these areas are Leeds Utd fans i dont think it would be a problem for them

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How many Asda vans you see in a Sainsbury's car park ;)

I dont go to Sainsburys, Im a loyal Aldi-ite :P

But ive seen some in town, still didnt make me want to go!

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how did soccer become so popular?

Its always been popular

somewhere along the line there was some marketing involved

Its the national sport, do you advertise in Sydney?

indeed i look at the soccer tables each week hoping that teams like wigan, leeds or hudds get relegated!

Cheers, im a Leeds fan :D

my point above was people in batley and dewesbry probably have a soccer side they support and that doesnt seem to be a problem

Hudds have a lot of fans in Batley/Dewsbury, id hazard a guess it would be split between Hudds and Leeds

its only if a rival RL club markets to them where its an issue. if people from these areas are Leeds Utd fans i dont think it would be a problem for them

Football sides wouldnt need to market the area, Leeds certainly dont need to, Hudds possibly might have done in the past but they get good crowds anyway for the division there in

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1. You're the one with no idea and stupid comments.

2. If Fax do plenty of marketing and, as you said in your previous post "Why does a family need to go to Bradford to watch "Cheap" Rugby in a poor stadium? then why are you so paranoid about Bradford marketing outside its civic boundaries.

Answer: because you're scared. Scared that Halifax fans will be attracted to the Bulls and scared that Fax will never make it back to Superleague.

3. Fax never made a go of it at Superleague before and they probably wouldnt again unless they could guarantee crowds of at least 6000 against the likes of Wakefield and Harlequins. They cant just rely on good crowds being brought by well-supported teams like Bradford, Wigan, Leeds and Hull.

The only way Fax can realistically attract that level of support is by marketing the club outside its boundaries ... Keighley, Oldham, Hudds ... in fact doing just what the Bulls are doing now.

4. Pity Ben Black is Australian and probably on quota; otherwise we'd have asked for him as well .... and Fax will always take the money off Bradford or anyone else.

5. I actually like Fax and occasionally watch them when our fixtures dont clash.

6. You and Lobby could have a fantastic time when Fax play Leigh, discussing how unfair it is that your team is not automatically allowed into Superleague. Mutual whining in an empty stadium.

Well done you are an idiot. The thing is I am thinking not about Halifax but the game as a whole. IF Batley, Dewsbury, Fev, Keighley or Halifax disappeared from the scene then it would be a massive blow to the game. These clubs provide a good service in developing and promoting Rugby League to the local area. They have done so for decades. Without these championship clubs the game is weaker and we would see a lot less money and people playing and watching the game. You go on about Fax marketing outside the Calderdale Service Area-Why? There is 200,000 people to target in that area from Todmorden to Shelf. Why do Fax need to waste time and money to market themselves out that area? Each service area has enough potential customers to target. And the RFL and clubs need to step up on getting local people watching and playing our game as our power is weakening as a sport. More or less every town has a stronger Soccer scene than Rugby League. That needs to chang for the game to become stronger. Its not all about expansion but also strengthening the game in its heartlands.

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Well done you are an idiot.

[we interrupt this thread for a public service announcement]Oh for goodness sake. There are no idiots on this forum. An idiot would not be able to get through the registration process. What this forum is full of are people with different opinions. That is all. That doesn't make them idiots, just people who you disagree with.

I don't mean to pick on you personally for this particular instance of personal abuse, and it may have been prompted by someone having a go at you previously, but this is the first post I read when logging onto the RL section this morning, and sheesh, it just depresses me, it really does, being the latest in an ever growing long line of such stuff on here lately.

Why can't people engage in a reasonable debate any more without having to shove in a few derogatory personal comments for good (bad) measure? It makes the forum feel much nastier than it ought to be, puts a lot of genuine people off from getting involved in the debates and makes work for the moderators. Honestly, if we introduced a zero tolerance policy towards it, there'd hardly be anyone left on here within a month, and none of the mods would get any other work done, so we rely on you all being civil to each other. Is that too much to ask? Really?? It just means thinking twice before hurling out an insult, and then choosing not to include said insult in your post.

I know, I know, I'm wasting seconds of my life typing this because no one pays a blind bit of attention, but there you go, I've done it now.

Meanwhile, back to the topic...

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[we interrupt this thread for a public service announcement]Oh for goodness sake. There are no idiots on this forum. An idiot would not be able to get through the registration process.

I'll pick you up on the point, are you sure? :D

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