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This latter criterion has been relaxed as it used to read 6 junior teams including one at U18s but presumably many existing clubs fell short. The changing of the wording was well before the switch to summer.

It may be 2 points but hardly the easiest ones to meet. Don't know the ins and outs of Clubmark but reserves and juniors is a major thing to do.

Clubmark is part of thye minimum criterea.

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Clubmark is part of thye minimum criterea.

I know was just saying I don't know what it requires though probably not a small process.

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No argument with NCL they have their rules - though possibly could be relaxed in the circumstances but obviously not to be. My thanks go to the RL for seemiimgly abandoning Bramley, Kippax & Warrington plus to some extent St Albans & Bristol. Countless hours of work by limited numbers of unpaid committee men/women wasted with no league to play in and extinction on the cards. Bowes you must be made up!! I trust Stanningly will survive the potentially massive hole in their 2012 budget.

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Looks like the following clubs are in NCL3 next year subject to clubs voting them in:

Kells

Peterlee Pumas

Barrow Island

Pilkington Recs

Wigan St Cuthberts

Hindley

Huddersfield Underbank Rangers

Coventry Bears

Nottingham Outlaws

Presumably they'd be joined by bottom of division 2 unless a 10th team can be found. Having said that Coventry Bears may join Championship 1.

The pleasing thing about that list is the development of Peterlee, Coventry and Nottingham - clubs from outside of the traditional heartlands that have grown from the 'bottom-up' and are now at a standard where they can join the elite of the community game (and not just tier three but NCL).

This sort of development is needed in the non-heartland areas but it all too often promising clubs seem to slip back. This trio of clubs have shown that progress is possible.

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Kippax shot themselves in the foot. They had their application recommended for acceptance last year then went and called off 3 away games and had this removed.

Wizards have a decent enough tier 4 league to play in the NW Men's premier thigh they'd probably be top 3. Bramley and Kippax have to decide if they want to join Fryston and Birstall (and who knows who else) in a Yorkshire premier.

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Bowes can't see Coventry Bears as clubmark accredited on clubmark data base hope the application form was completed accurately and was thoroughly vetted by NCL or maybe national database is incomplete!!!??

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Bowes can't see Coventry Bears as clubmark accredited on clubmark data base hope the application form was completed accurately and was thoroughly vetted by NCL or maybe national database is incomplete!!!??

Presumably that's one thing they'll let you work towards. Having no players with you as first choice isn't something they'll turn a blind eye to.

Clearly the NCL only want a club that can commit to a full season. I wish Bramley every success in joining a short summer season.

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Well well after all you have said Coventry also do not fullfilll the criteria double standards or what. Rules only on apply when NCL wish to apply them i smell a conspiracy.

Ps Pilkingtons also appear to also be allowed the same flexibility

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Well well after all you have said Coventry also do not fullfilll the criteria double standards or what. Rules only on apply when NCL wish to apply them i smell a conspiracy.

Ps Pilkingtons also appear to also be allowed the same flexibility

FFS comparing not having a certificate to being a club with no players.

The criteria are there to ensure clubs can operate in the NCL. We know with 100% certainty Bramley couldn't fulfil the fixtures whereas we know with maybe 95% certainty Coventry Bears can (I don't say 100 because any club can have unforseen mishaps).

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Presumably that's one thing they'll let you work towards. Having no players with you as first choice isn't something they'll turn a blind eye to.

Clearly the NCL only want a club that can commit to a full season. I wish Bramley every success in joining a short summer season.

That would possibly be correct the NCL have in the past allowed clubs into the league without clubmark but they must be in the process of obtaining it. The NCL want strong CLUBS in the league not just teams that maybe strong for a couple of seasons then either disband or are not able to fullfil fixtures due to a shortage of players. Thats why all clubs have to have a number of other teams within their ranks to keep the progression going for years to come.

This is not always easy and it is very hard work to achieve and maintain. We have had a couple of games called off this season in the NCL which I am sure the management will have already sorted out. If they allowed teams into the league without a proper open-age youth and junior structure in place this would happen on a regular basic's. So I would say to any club that wishes to join the NCL. Setup a open-age 2nd team get some juniors and get a youth team, And once you have got all that make sure you fullfil all your fixtures for a few years then apply!! Until then dream on!!!!!!!!

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Pick and choose the rules you apply and anarchy prevails. Weve completed more seasons in top flight than all but warrington with 5 grand finals played into October and challenge cup/ northern rail in feb/march, that long enough a season? As you well know summer season tier 4 is a joke as so few fixtures with matches cancelled it simply wouldn't pay the rent. You may say right place for us but I choose to disagree.

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Bowes can't see Coventry Bears as clubmark accredited on clubmark data base hope the application form was completed accurately and was thoroughly vetted by NCL or maybe national database is incomplete!!!??

Its currently being validated by the RFL.

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I agree Bramley Have had a good team for a few seasons but so have a lot of other clubs in the winter leagues that have not been able to get in the NCL.

Bramley have struggled in the last couple of seasons due to the reasons why the NCL only want strong Clubs. ( Lack of players) All clubs struggle at times with numbers but that is why you need backup from your reserves and youth. With regards to the tier 4 been a joke if Bramley and Kippax entered it would have at least 2 more decent sides to compete in it which is a step in the right direction. If both Bramley and Kippax want to be a NCL Club in the future are to be taken seriously they firstly need to play March to September and fullfil all their fixtures. But that is another problem all the old RLC teams from Yorkshire they only want a May to September season due to the fact that they rely on both winter players and RU players to bolster their ranks. And they would be unable to fullfil fixtures for a full season.

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I agree Bramley Have had a good team for a few seasons but so have a lot of other clubs in the winter leagues that have not been able to get in the NCL.

Bramley have struggled in the last couple of seasons due to the reasons why the NCL only want strong Clubs. ( Lack of players) All clubs struggle at times with numbers but that is why you need backup from your reserves and youth. With regards to the tier 4 been a joke if Bramley and Kippax entered it would have at least 2 more decent sides to compete in it which is a step in the right direction. If both Bramley and Kippax want to be a NCL Club in the future are to be taken seriously they firstly need to play March to September and fullfil all their fixtures. But that is another problem all the old RLC teams from Yorkshire they only want a May to September season due to the fact that they rely on both winter players and RU players to bolster their ranks. And they would be unable to fullfil fixtures for a full season.

We where probably the only side in the RLC who could have played a full March to September season.

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We where probably the only side in the RLC who could have played a full March to September season.

To tell the truth the sad thing about the demise of Bramley is the were started by decent people like Cliff Spracklen and Martyn Cheney and they did once legitimately be able to field a strong team but sadly they attracted toxic elements and never managed to retain their own players in the end, in part this was a legitimate failing of the division only provided a 5 month season which wasn't enough. A few years ago the club looked a ground away from Championship 1, now they're in a bad state.

More than you could field a team for a full season (unless you just mean the local Yorkshire division?) but never got a chance.

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Dont disagree with your post apart from the toxic element which I've not seen. Main reason for demise is RL not keeping to original promises of promotion through to pro ranks once league got going. When RL renaged & started to move the goal posts bringing in teams like Essex, Carlisle and Liverpool etc that weren't up to it the writing was on the wall & the quality players left to pursue other avenues -who can blame them. The future looks bleak but perhaps like a Phoenix Bramley will rise again.

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Dont disagree with your post apart from the toxic element which I've not seen. Main reason for demise is RL not keeping to original promises of promotion through to pro ranks once league got going. When RL renaged & started to move the goal posts bringing in teams like Essex, Carlisle and Liverpool etc that weren't up to it the writing was on the wall & the quality players left to pursue other avenues -who can blame them. The future looks bleak but perhaps like a Phoenix Bramley will rise again.

A minority of Bramley's players and spectators have made a bad image for the rest of the club IMO but yeah it was mostly a bad league that caused the problem as the Bramley of a few years ago would have been looking at joining the expanded Championship 1. The troublesome spectators seem to be mostly give this year though

Hope some guise of Bramley can return as it's a big name though probably will be different to this incarnation. With the RFL wanting a 14 team Championship 1 at some point maybe some backing and Farsley Celtic's ground may work at that level (though won't be Buffaloes IMO) even with the RFL wanting Medway and an East Midlands club that would leave 2 other potential places.

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Only time will give the answer. Some fans may have given others a bad impression but they were passionate supporters who had been through a lot over the years. Farsley was the original plan then Morley but the RL wern't happy and never really gave reasons why. Best of luck Sat by all accounts the call is out across the hudds pennine league sides for all 'Underbanks' players. Back to the winter pennine league how I love those bygone days of mud, steam and fags at half time!

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IMO the RFL don't want more heartland teams hence the rejection of the bids from Warrington Wizards and Rochdale Mayfield. IMO this is a false division that unbalances leagues.

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Only time will give the answer. Some fans may have given others a bad impression but they were passionate supporters who had been through a lot over the years. Farsley was the original plan then Morley but the RL wern't happy and never really gave reasons why. Best of luck Sat by all accounts the call is out across the hJudds pennine league sides for all 'Underbanks' players. Back to the winter pennine league how I love those bygone days of mud, steam and fags at half time!

With all due respect I've heard some Bramley fans come out with some awful comments at games.

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No argument with NCL they have their rules - though possibly could be relaxed in the circumstances but obviously not to be. My thanks go to the RL for seemiimgly abandoning Bramley, Kippax & Warrington plus to some extent St Albans & Bristol. Countless hours of work by limited numbers of unpaid committee men/women wasted with no league to play in and extinction on the cards.

I wouldn't say we've been abandoned. I still think CL3 will exist next year, and will feature many of the same teams plus some newcomers. There are a few who want to enter and it's possible that clubs that have been accepted by the NCL will commit to playing in a similar type of division to the one that existed this year.

Everything at the moment is just speculation. For the record, we applied for NCL but I think the geographic thing was the big problem, not standards. To be honest it's unlikely you'd want to travel down to Bristol if you're used to games 10, 20 or 30 miles away. Understandable.

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So do you reckon we'll see a NCL4 rather than Conference South? Probably would be Yorkshire plus South (plus Wizards) as not necessarily going to attract clubs from the NW Men's league.

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So do you reckon we'll see a NCL4 rather than Conference South? Probably would be Yorkshire plus South (plus Wizards) as not necessarily going to attract clubs from the NW Men's league.

The RFL has a duty to provide Tier 3 competition for all those that want it, and that includes those in the Midlands and South/outside the NCL sphere of influence. In addition, they have stated that they wish, in future, for there to be at least one Tier 3 club in each region. Given that there's also a desire in certain regions (for example the Midlands) to remove particularly strong Tier 4 teams and push them up to Tier 3, it is likely that some kind of compromise will be found.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a League containing Bristol, St Albans, Northampton, Leicester, a Sheffield team, another club from the South (possibly Skolars A), a club from the East, the Wizards and the Midlands teams who have been accepted into the NCL structure. We'll have to wait and see. That would be 10 teams and therefore viable.

No idea what will happen to South Wales. Hopefully they'll survive, but they had a hard time this season and struggled with travelling etc. The proposed entrants - especially Northampton and the proposed Sheffield side - would not have this issue as they'd either have the backing of a uni/semi pro club (Sheffield) or are strong clubs (Northampton). I've deliberately left Leicester out of the equation as although they're relatively strong, they weren't nearly as strong this year as last year - though they have a good junior structure and seem to be moving forward as a club.

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Incidentally you'd have a serious problem if you took any of the NCL applicants out of that league and into a new one as there would no longer be the numbers for division 3. I know we wouldn't join a southern league and I'd be very surprised if Nottingham did.

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I wouldn't say we've been abandoned. I still think CL3 will exist next year, and will feature many of the same teams plus some newcomers. There are a few who want to enter and it's possible that clubs that have been accepted by the NCL will commit to playing in a similar type of division to the one that existed this year.

Everything at the moment is just speculation. For the record, we applied for NCL but I think the geographic thing was the big problem, not standards. To be honest it's unlikely you'd want to travel down to Bristol if you're used to games 10, 20 or 30 miles away. Understandable.

Understandable but makes a mockery of the "National" part of the name. Whilst I respect the NCL as a league - its commitment to standards in particular - in a way it is part of the problem that our game has in establishing a proper pyramid structure. not that I have a solution to that problem and I can see why clubs who are in the NCL don't want to compromise it and themsleves for what may or may not be a greater good.

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