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Salford borrow a million quid from the council to keep going by the sound of it. Clubs are going bust to try and get these brand new huge Capacity stadiums that only a handfull of clubs can fill. Idiocy. They need a more stable, steady club in superleague in my opinion. There's one in fev!

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Salford can admit to this now because after the sheeeiiit with Bradford they know they will not get punished ...c*s wakey next

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Well lots of Nonrelegation clubs are in the doo doo despite franchising.

Now on Thursday to help your club achieve it's ultimate ambition your club should announce a crowd of over 6000.

Then for the semi announce 5000 for your game with Fev or Sheffield.

That would assist you surely and also help 2 other Championship clubs at the same time. ;)

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We won't need to announce a figure for the the second semi, will leave that up to you v sheff or fax (delete as appropriate) ;)

Can't see more than 250 turning up on Thursday night, wot with it being a shared gate n all that :P

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Well Sidnee I can't believe why a supporter of an ambitious club like yours would doubt the intention of my post (oops despite my edit I put Fev not Fax)which was made with the sole intention of assisting Faisal with his ideas on raising Rovers profile.

A Leyther goes out of his way to help and he gets indirectly mocked for his suggestion. This is systematic of what is wrong with you Yorkies.

Still I am a forgiving young man and will speak to you on Thursday if I see you.

I would have added a wink but for some reason I can't get the smileys to work.

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Well Sidnee I can't believe why a supporter of an ambitious club like yours would doubt the intention of my post (oops despite my edit I put Fev not Fax)which was made with the sole intention of assisting Faisal with his ideas on raising Rovers profile.

A Leyther goes out of his way to help and he gets indirectly mocked for his suggestion. This is systematic of what is wrong with you Yorkies.

Still I am a forgiving young man and will speak to you on Thursday if I see you.

I would have added a wink but for some reason I can't get the smileys to work.

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me, you and that clown of a mate of yours. How you get the day passes from that Care Home in Weaste I do not know.

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We break em out for special occasions :D

That is care in the community gone too far. You should be prosecuted, and I don't care what badges Robin holds

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from what i'm reading and what what i'm hearing from people within the game, superleague is going into freefall and i wouldn't be surprised if some clubs don't make it through next season. this will no doubt impact on the lower divisions. some s/l clubs are only running u19s next season, which means they can't accommodate all the players from this seasons u18s and u20s, which will see a lot of these lads released or sent out on loan to championship clubs. it's time self interest was set aside and administrators were brought in from the nrl to sort this mess out.

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Well lots of Nonrelegation clubs are in the doo doo despite franchising.

Now on Thursday to help your club achieve it's ultimate ambition your club should announce a crowd of over 6000.

Then for the semi announce 5000 for your game with Fev or Sheffield.

That would assist you surely and also help 2 other Championship clubs at the same time. ;)

there is no franchising

there is and never was any guarantee that clubs would not have financial problems: this would be impossible.

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from what i'm reading and what what i'm hearing from people within the game, superleague is going into freefall and i wouldn't be surprised if some clubs don't make it through next season. this will no doubt impact on the lower divisions. some s/l clubs are only running u19s next season, which means they can't accommodate all the players from this seasons u18s and u20s, which will see a lot of these lads released or sent out on loan to championship clubs. it's time self interest was set aside and administrators were brought in from the nrl to sort this mess out.

where did you read it OR?

Woiuldn't mind having a read of it

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there is no franchising

there is and never was any guarantee that clubs would not have financial problems: this would be impossible.

Guarantees, no. Improved financial performance was supposed to one of the benefits of its(licencing) introduction though. Do you think its been succesful in this respect?

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Guarantees, no. Improved financial performance was supposed to one of the benefits of its(licencing) introduction though. Do you think its been succesful in this respect?

it's up to the clubs how well they perform financially, there is no system anywhere on earth that can make anyone improve their 'financial performance'. The system is supposed to encourage clubs to run themselves more professionally.

I think it's been highly successful: Featherstone Rovers is a shining example of it.

If you look at the clubs in SL who are having difficulties, would you say that it was down to the 'system' or are the clubs themselves responsible?

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there is no franchising

there is and never was any guarantee that clubs would not have financial problems: this would be impossible.

Yes it would Chris. But I do remember Maurice Lindsay 'selling us' the concept of Sl in which he emphasised the clubs in SL would now be stable and would be able to attract and develop the best british talent.

Of course that was 16 years ago and he couldn't have possibly forseen the impact of the current fiscal turmoil and the impact that Union going fully pro just before then would have had on the future of League.

BUT........ he was nevertheless, way way off the mark. From what I understand, Wakey, Crusaders, Northern, Salford and now Hull KR are or have recently been up sh it creek. Cas posted a whacking loss last year and are warned that another significant loss is heading their way this year. London's problems are well documented and Widnes are towing so I am led to believe. Their annual P&L will confirm one way or t'other.

Licencing has done little, if anything at all to prevent this - again, one of the selling points of licencing was that it would negate the need to overspend to escape relegation... now I don't know whether that was just rugby spin or a valid point. Either way it's bol lox!

Now we've argued the merits of the licencing system many times. Whether the recent fiscal nightmares in SL is owt to do with licencing OR whether that's just a scape goat for a wider, more deep rooted problem I don't know. But it does appear the game is on it's @r se and licencing has done little but to make life much harder for those underneath the 'promised land' that is SL.

Would I want to see Fev in SL?? Well of course I would. But there are swerious flaws within this system.

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it's up to the clubs how well they perform financially, there is no system anywhere on earth that can make anyone improve their 'financial performance'. The system is supposed to encourage clubs to run themselves more professionally.

I think it's been highly successful: Featherstone Rovers is a shining example of it.

If you look at the clubs in SL who are having difficulties, would you say that it was down to the 'system' or are the clubs themselves responsible?

SL are responsible for awarding licences - one of the criteria being fiscal suitability and business planning Chris. Crusaders were vetted and would have been awarded a licence for heavens sake. Bradford were awarded a B licence. Yet Fax were scrutinised as appropriate as Lehamn's/BCCI/Woolworth's/Northern rock..... or insert any other fiscal lost cause!

SL do have, and do assume responsibility Chris!

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SL are responsible for awarding licences - one of the criteria being fiscal suitability and business planning Chris. Crusaders were vetted and would have been awarded a licence for heavens sake. Bradford were awarded a B licence. Yet Fax were scrutinised as appropriate as Lehamn's/BCCI/Woolworth's/Northern rock..... or insert any other fiscal lost cause!

SL do have, and do assume responsibility Chris!

I didn't say they didn't/don't have responsibility: they certainly were culpable in the case of Crusaders. But that's like the clubs, down to the personnel involved and their judgement.

We run our country on democratic lines. Most of us think it's a good system: but we still get Cameron, Blair, Thatcher and the rest running the joint.

Not that I'm saying that Rugby League should democratic, but you take my point I hope.

There is no panacea

what there is, is an attempt to stop people being stupid: whether that attempt is better than a free for all...a free for all in name only, since many clubs never had a sniff of joining the elite in the past anyway, is up to the individual to decide.

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it's up to the clubs how well they perform financially, there is no system anywhere on earth that can make anyone improve their 'financial performance'. The system is supposed to encourage clubs to run themselves more professionally.

I think it's been highly successful: Featherstone Rovers is a shining example of it.

If you look at the clubs in SL who are having difficulties, would you say that it was down to the 'system' or are the clubs themselves responsible?

Absolutely agree, the clubs in trouble are responsible for where they find themselves. But one of the supposed benefits of licencing was that there would be fewer such occurances. Im not blaming licencing for creating a problem, i am querying whether it is helping to solve one.

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Absolutely agree, the clubs in trouble are responsible for where they find themselves. But one of the supposed benefits of licencing was that there would be fewer such occurances. Im not blaming licencing for creating a problem, i am querying whether it is helping to solve one.

we don't know whether there would have been fewer or more and we can't know.

Clubs, including importantly clubs outside SL run themselves far more professionally on the whole. That doesn't guarantee success, and people will still be stupid. IMHO thsat professionalism is down to the system we have inn place.

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where did you read it OR?

Woiuldn't mind having a read of it

you could make a start by reading the link above re. hull kr. also salfords plight is in the public domain, steve ferris statement on cas official website, etc

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you could make a start by reading the link above re. hull kr. also salfords plight is in the public domain, steve ferris statement on cas official website, etc

I'd already read it. So on that basis SL is going into freefall is it?

But then again you also have inside knowledge from 'people within the game' . Who are these people? I bet it's secret isn't it?

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Chris. hull kr have announced 500k losses and their chairman sounds like he's had enough.

Wakey last year went up sh it creek. so did crusaders. Northern this year. salford bailed out to the tune of £1m, naming rights to stadium gone and crippling loan repayments to be made.

Cas posted huge losses with even more expected.

Widnes are towing but i wait for the P&L for accurate numbers.

Those clubs are those we know about. that's half of the games elite competition.

Now i realise that doesn't indicate 'freefalling', but for heaven's sake, the evidence is there to see.

If the games not on its ar se its giving a good impression of being so!

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Chris. hull kr have announced 500k losses and their chairman sounds like he's had enough.

Wakey last year went up sh it creek. so did crusaders. Northern this year. salford bailed out to the tune of £1m, naming rights to stadium gone and crippling loan repayments to be made.

Cas posted huge losses with even more expected.

Widnes are towing but i wait for the P&L for accurate numbers.

Those clubs are those we know about. that's half of the games elite competition.

Now i realise that doesn't indicate 'freefalling', but for heaven's sake, the evidence is there to see.

If the games not on its ar se its giving a good impression of being so!

Sports clubs posting losses and having debts, well fan my brow.

Aren't Wakefield in a stronger position this year compared to last year?

Isn't the Bulls situation of their own making? And don't they have new owners on board?

There are major problems here.

but the game isn't on its ass and it isn't in freefall.

Who is this 'Northern' you speak off.

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At least half of the 'elite' comp is experiencing serious difficulties Chris. Anecdotally, I'm hearing from players and ex employees that Huddersfield aren't in great shape either.

We can no longer guarantee our best players stay in league - they go to union!

We are as far behind the aussies as ever - but we agree, there are a zillion other reasons for this.

We have had more clubs up sh it creek in such a short space of time than I can remember.

The RFL's own scrutiny has been left wanting.

There perseverence with Crusaders, despite evidence to the contrary, and the RFL's involvement in the visa fiasco, moving sticks to wrexham etc, left the RFL looking - I'll use embarrassed ....I could use a plethora of other descriptors.

The inability to adress the gap twixt SL and the game below SL.

The absence of any 'where to we go from here plan'... It's the "we have licencing now and we're stickjing with it cos it's the best thing ever and by the time we properly evaluate it and the games gone down the U bend, it'll be too late, but ne'er mind eh" that still agrieves me.

There have always been clubs going ar se upards - including our own. But since licencing was introduced there does appear to have been many more high profile 'difficulties' than I can ever remember.

You think the game is not on it's botty?? I think it is!! C'est la vie. There goes a difference of opinion.

Your definition of not being on it's ar se and mine are evidently different.

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