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Are you guys for real, what a joke. Heartland teams, pia, asc, limoux getting what not even 1000 to a game and that is heartland. It is pathetic, honestly the game will never go anywhere but village small town. I know former limoux coach blinkhorn he told me the metality is the reason why the game has stood still for 50 years.

Honestly a guy gives them a tv deal, big chance of credible semi pro league, what is the worst go back to the elite village comp if it fails?

there you go - you make the same mistake as others of comparing an english heartland club to one in france - crowds in france will never be like SL because RL in france IS essentially, a 'village game' - the level of play is about the same as mid table english Championship at best and usually much lower - what kind of crowds to Donny & the like attract ?

do not make subconcious comparisons with the english game - france IS different just as the NRL is different to the ESL - just take the french game for what it is

but deciding to play an international anywhere north of Brive is an absolute joke !

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I am not trying to tell you french boys to suck eggs, The problem with this year's international program was the nrl and there players association got there way and had the 4 nations + tours cancelled so this not only included the aussies and kiwis, but the pacific nations. Have a look at the program fiji to play in sydney as cook islands, tonga and samoa don't even have a end of season international.

I cannot for the life of me see why england play france 2 games at home(sorry cannot see wales getting past france), why not play the prelim game in lyon or bordeux this would promote game.

To me catalans are no different to the other superleague teams, money is a problem. I have no doubt given the hate between usap and catalans for corporate dollar things are very tight in a population of 120 thousand people. What many teams in the nrl have done is on the road games, manly took a game to perth and the central coast. Given there are 14 home games plus possible challenge cup, look at lyon and montpellier.

The dayan proposed super xii, look to me it is only positive. But it seems to me he is trying to jump all 8 hurdles at once just too fast. I would still have elite but shortened, with more derbies in draw. Then try the proposed league, but have merged heartland regions plus the big city teams from up north but have 8 rounds with one tv game per round. To me i think he should be pushing for a french superleague tv deal with toulouse added this super xii later down the line.

How are ticket sales looking for the world cup games in avignon and stade gilbert brutus.

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I am not trying to tell you french boys to suck eggs, The problem with this year's international program was the nrl and there players association got there way and had the 4 nations + tours cancelled so this not only included the aussies and kiwis, but the pacific nations. Have a look at the program fiji to play in sydney as cook islands, tonga and samoa don't even have a end of season international.

I cannot for the life of me see why england play france 2 games at home(sorry cannot see wales getting past france), why not play the prelim game in lyon or bordeux this would promote game.

To me catalans are no different to the other superleague teams, money is a problem. I have no doubt given the hate between usap and catalans for corporate dollar things are very tight in a population of 120 thousand people. What many teams in the nrl have done is on the road games, manly took a game to perth and the central coast. Given there are 14 home games plus possible challenge cup, look at lyon and montpellier.

The dayan proposed super xii, look to me it is only positive. But it seems to me he is trying to jump all 8 hurdles at once just too fast. I would still have elite but shortened, with more derbies in draw. Then try the proposed league, but have merged heartland regions plus the big city teams from up north but have 8 rounds with one tv game per round. To me i think he should be pushing for a french superleague tv deal with toulouse added this super xii later down the line.

How are ticket sales looking for the world cup games in avignon and stade gilbert brutus.

the NRL etc has no affect on the FFR13 ! what's to stop the governing body of french RL actually 'governing' and making decisions ? ok, Larrat & Dayan between them concocted the idiotic Lens game but why stop there ? it doesn't matter who the french play ! why not invite the Scots or Irish teams over for games ? or anyone for that matter ! I bet Steve Mac would jump at the chance to play in france again ! The FFR13 isn't beholding to the NRL,ESL or the RFL or anyone else - if they want to invite other nations over to play then what's to stop them ?

with respect, the game doesn't need 'promoting' in Bodeaux or anywhere else that is non RL territory, what the french game needs is strengthening in the current 'heartlands' ! as I stated previously we need to stabilize and reinforce the game where it is traditionally strongest, maintain that base which is slowly eroding and then spread to other areas but we must not drive away or alienate the existing fans for Petes sake !

the Dayan proposals are pie in the sky unless money can be found to prop the ideas up - lovely principle, just as the ESL was/is but look at how many SL clubs are stuggling and that's WITH the generous SKY package

haven't seen the games advertised yet - Avignon should get about 15K and the GB about 12K capacity which will be good

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Ok fair enough, where does toulouse stand for superleague ?

they have to fulfil the criteria set out by the RFL ie. have a big enough ground etc the renovation work on the existing ground will start in january apparently in time for the SL applications for 2015 - if a bigger stadium is required for larger crowds the games can be played at Stade Toulousain - many chairmen from the top SL clubs have visited or had meetings with the TO13 boss and they are all very keen on their SL membership it seems

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Would Bein be willing to put money in for tv deal this would help given the state of the game in supeleague.

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Would Bein be willing to put money in for tv deal this would help given the state of the game in supeleague.

only if they thought they could attract enough punters to pay 11€ each month to watch french RL - I don't of many french RL friends who would pay that amount

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Looking forward to it. Be good though if the French would put a coach in place. You'd have thought with the world cup next year it might be quite important.

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Looking forward to it. Be good though if the French would put a coach in place. You'd have thought with the world cup next year it might be quite important.

Larrat standing down has put the FFR in limbo until a new boss is elected (hopefully Carlos) and so has put the kybosh on the selection of a coach though Aurelian Cologni with all his experience is a great short-term appointment in my opinion - he knows the french set up inside out and is widely respected (and is a cheaper choice !) - the squad members i've spoken with speak highly of him

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Isnt the whole point of the Lens match to attract new fans rather than worry about shipping up a few thousand fartland fans from the Aude villages?

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so sky will be asked to finance a 2nd french club, where they have no sky tv, jeez that seems fair.

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A few thousand:) i only wish make that a few dozen.In my estimation the total number of french RL fans numbers around 12000 max which is pretty much what used to turn up for the lord derby cup finals day (This used to be the last match of the season) where they would also hold many of the junior finals so mums and dads came etc.I would estimate (Outside of the dragons) you are looking at.Limoux 800Lezignan 1000Carcassonne 1500Villneneurve 600Pia 300St Esteve 400Avignon 600Toulouse 800Lescure 500Thats 6500 + floaters and smaller clubsCM

That might be the case but the 800 Limoux fans who turn up one week aren't necessarily the same people who turned up the previous week. Most people won't go to every home game in a season.

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That might be the case but the 800 Limoux fans who turn up one week aren't necessarily the same people who turned up the previous week. Most people won't go to every home game in a season.

in places like Limoux the same people will turn out

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so sky will be asked to finance a 2nd french club, where they have no sky tv, jeez that seems fair.

just like the Catalans deal - SKY will have to broadcast two live games from Toulouse over the season - the other games will most probably be covered and streamed by BIEN Sports unless another broadcaster like Orange steps in

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A few thousand:) i only wish make that a few dozen.In my estimation the total number of french RL fans numbers around 12000 max which is pretty much what used to turn up for the lord derby cup finals day (This used to be the last match of the season) where they would also hold many of the junior finals so mums and dads came etc.I would estimate (Outside of the dragons) you are looking at.Limoux 800Lezignan 1000Carcassonne 1500Villneneurve 600Pia 300St Esteve 400Avignon 600Toulouse 800Lescure 500Thats 6500 + floaters and smaller clubsCM

And the 17,000 who turned up at Avignon to watch france v England last year; do they count?

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Ok fair enough, where does toulouse stand for superleague ?

just to update the answer to your question - Toulouse announced yesterday that Blake Solly from the RFL (franchising dept) will be visiting Toulouse to look at the proposed stadium redevelopment plans with the club and city council officials - the original plans presented by the club have been scaled down a bit to suit both club & council requirements (ie.not so extravagant) to make sure these plans will help meet the criteria set out by the RFL for SL inclusion in 2015 - if the RFL are satisfied with the proposals then redevelopment work will start in the new year

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Carcassonne play on the 4th of November, not sure why, pia play today at 17h at st Laurent versus Villeneuve ,

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A few thousand:) i only wish make that a few dozen.In my estimation the total number of french RL fans numbers around 12000 max which is pretty much what used to turn up for the lord derby cup finals day (This used to be the last match of the season) where they would also hold many of the junior finals so mums and dads came etc.I would estimate (Outside of the dragons) you are looking at.Limoux 800Lezignan 1000Carcassonne 1500Villneneurve 600Pia 300St Esteve 400Avignon 600Toulouse 800Lescure 500Thats 6500 + floaters and smaller clubsCM

6-7 Years ago around 1,000 people watched RL in Perpignan every week. Now the dragons get 8-9,000 locals watching. According to your logic, 8,000 of these are bogus RL fans. If Toulouse had a SL club in the top 4 they would be getting 6-8,000 every week. That would make 15k plus watching clubs in 2 towns alone.

No-one knows how many RL fans are in France because the structure isn't in place to get them down to watch. If France were in a w/c final played in Toulouse then you would be getting 35k plus in the main stadium. But, of course, half of these would have turned up by mistake.

Warrington are taking 25,000 to the GF today yet only 10,000 turn up at Warrington every week. Your logic for this is stupid. I was at a LD cup final a few years ago and there were around 4-5,000 fans in club colours cheering for Villeneurve - yet you say they have only got 1500 people in France who follow RL from that town.

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Read my post its says quite clearly that i have NOT counted the dragons in these figures,and no-one would turn up by mistake if the french sniff a win they will turn up.CM

Yes but if you had applied this theory a few years ago when XIII Catalan were in Elite one you would have said only 1000 people in Perpignan followed RL. Your logic is flawed. So these people who would turn up to watch a France win aren't potential RL fans?

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OK lets start here as for only 1000 people in Perpignan following RL that is untrue,maybe only 1000 turned up however the city had a rich RL history many just could not be bothered as the standard in the championship was not very high along with the fact that USAP had become a very big rugby union club.In saying that though i remember crowds of 5000 + for local derbies between Pia and St Esteve/X111 Catalan back 2004/5.The difference is that those watching France in Avignon are NOT paying and if they were asked to pay even lsts say Euros 10.00 i am certain that the crowd would be around 70% less.In Perpignan everyone has to pay and to be fair to the dragons they pay a realistic price for tickets which is more than one can say for many SL clubs back in good old blighty:(

You are just contradicting yourself. Because you mention that 1000s and 1000s of fans across France have been brought up with rich RL history. These are still RL fans FFS! The problem at the moment is that they are used to the national side being rubbish and being offered free tickets etc.

There is the potential for tens of thousands of fans to be paying to watch RL every week if it was developed. If Toulouse were a top half RL team they would be getting 6-8,000 'paying' fans every week. If France were regularly competing with Eng and NZ then you would have 10-15,000 'paying' fans for test matches.

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6-7 Years ago around 1,000 people watched RL in Perpignan every week. Now the dragons get 8-9,000 locals watching. According to your logic, 8,000 of these are bogus RL fans. If Toulouse had a SL club in the top 4 they would be getting 6-8,000 every week. That would make 15k plus watching clubs in 2 towns alone.

No-one knows how many RL fans are in France because the structure isn't in place to get them down to watch. If France were in a w/c final played in Toulouse then you would be getting 35k plus in the main stadium. But, of course, half of these would have turned up by mistake.

Warrington are taking 25,000 to the GF today yet only 10,000 turn up at Warrington every week. Your logic for this is stupid. I was at a LD cup final a few years ago and there were around 4-5,000 fans in club colours cheering for Villeneurve - yet you say they have only got 1500 people in France who follow RL from that town.

the majority of the '8000' you quote aren't 'locals' they come far and wide to watch top RL, simple as that - I travel 6 hours to get to Perpignan for example

Toulouse boss Carlos reckons he will get between 6K - 10K at the start of SL in the Toulouse area with the fans coming from a big catchment area geographically just because they are RL ans wishing to see the best teams playing - a semi-successful side will maintain this level of support

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I HAVE NEVER MENTIONED THE WORD POTENTIAL,i am certain that there is potential for thousands to follow RL in Norway the reality is the current HARD CORE french rugby league following (Outside of the dragons) is around 12000 maximum.As for Warrington Wolves taking 25000 to MU well done however the reality is (as in most sports) 50% of those fans are there for the crack on the day if they were 100% rugby league fans they would buy a season ticket and turn up at WW for every match.Get real:)CM

"In my estimation the total number of french RL fans numbers around 12000 max"

HTH

There was some research done by a lower league football club a few years ago. They worked out that even though their average home attendance was 4,000 over 20 league games, up to 9,000 individual home fans had gone through the gates over the year. Some had gone for 1 game, some 4-5, some went to nearly every game but less than half had been to every game. Which fans are fans and which fans are not? Which fans are hard core and which fans are there for the crack? IMO RL fans are RL fans. I can only get to 2-3 games a year as I live out of the country - suppose I just go for the crack then?

Your logic of adding up attendances of local french clubs and saying that is how many RL fans there are in France is flawed.

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the majority of the '8000' you quote aren't 'locals' they come far and wide to watch top RL, simple as that - I travel 6 hours to get to Perpignan for example

Toulouse boss Carlos reckons he will get between 6K - 10K at the start of SL in the Toulouse area with the fans coming from a big catchment area geographically just because they are RU and wishing to see the best teams playing - a semi-successful side will maintain this level of support

Exactly what I am saying. If the FFR13 actually poured some money into the French national team and got a proper coach and structures in place then fans would come from all over to watch them - and pay! France actually has the chance to follow the RUnion model and make the national team the pinnacle of the sport in the country. Tens of thousands of sports fans would potentially go and watch their national or a SL side play and compete against the top clubs/countries without having an interest in the domestic game.

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