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Rams and Bulls announce link-up (merged threads)

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How exactly are we losing out? If a Rams player has ambitions to make it in the Super League and is talented enough to fulfil that ambition then the chances are he will leave. All this arrangement means is that Bradford will get first refusal on such players.

So your happy to be a feeder club then. The agreement will mean that all Bradford players over the age of 18 who arent in the first team squad will be playing with yourselves. The same way that Swinton is being used by Warrington Wolves to develop their players. Both parties want something out of this deal, for yourselves its the chance to bring in SL players and use their training facilities, for Bradford its to let their young players develop.

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So your happy to be a feeder club then.

We're no more a feeder club for the Super League than any other team in the Championships.

We get first refusal on Bradford's fringe stars, and they get first refusal on our players ready to make the step up to the Super League.

The agreement will mean that all Bradford players over the age of 18 who arent in the first team squad will be playing with yourselves.

Glenn picks the Rams team, not Francis Cummins.

The same way that Swinton is being used by Warrington Wolves to develop their players. Both parties want something out of this deal, for yourselves its the chance to bring in SL players and use their training facilities, for Bradford its to let their young players develop.

You're more or less there.

Bradford benefit from this deal as they get first refusal on Dewsbury players who are ready and capable of making the step up to Super League.

We benefit from this deal as we get first refusal on Bradford players not selected for the Bulls first team squad.

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Saints have announced a similar deal with Oldham, and their fans are in uproar about being a feeder club as well. Dont get me wrong im not condoing it by any stretch of the imagination, but you will be seen as Bradfords feeder club regardless of how you deny it. Im on your side with this, cause i fear it is the death knell for many Championship clubs.

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I'd listen to what Glenn has to say about the link-up this morning before panicking too much.

Also bear in mind that If a player has the ambition to play in the Super League and is good enough to fulfil that ambition then he is likely to leave the club to pursue it, regardless of whether or not we are linked with Bradford.

It's the sharing players bit that seems a bit airy fairy. If say Dale morton turns out to be a hot property coming up to an important game, and the Bulls have a wing problem, but can offer us plenty of props or back rowers - who gets priority ? In the past the bulls have given us nowt in terms of short term loans (OK Addy for a game and Crossley at the back end of 2011, but little else) and I can't see that changing. I'm still not convinced about the dual reg system - hood and Singleton looked completely disinterested last year, players who looked in fact, as though they felt they were too good for the likes of us ?

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Saints have announced a similar deal with Oldham, and their fans are in uproar about being a feeder club as well.

It's a natural and understandable reaction, but when you consider the conditions behind the agreements then there really isn't anything to fear.

Dont get me wrong im not condoing it by any stretch of the imagination, but you will be seen as Bradfords feeder club regardless of how you deny it. Im on your side with this, cause i fear it is the death knell for many Championship clubs.

Again, it's a natural response, and many from outside the Bulls and Rams will be sceptical, but I think 'sounding the death knell' is a little premature.

It's little more than a formalised dual-registration agreement, not too dissimilar to the informal one Leigh have benefited from in recent years with Warrington.

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It's the sharing players bit that seems a bit airy fairy. If say Dale morton turns out to be a hot property coming up to an important game, and the Bulls have a wing problem, but can offer us plenty of props or back rowers - who gets priority ?

Hot properties will be snapped up by clubs in the Super League regardless of any partnership a club has. Zak Hardaker, Alex Walmsley and Chris Hill being three fairly recent examples.

The only difference from the Rams' perspective is that Bradford will get first refusal on such players ahead of other clubs in the Super League.

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Having spoken to Stuart Duffy (Bradford Bulls football manager), I can confirm that Bradford must go through the same process any other Super League club wanting to sign a Championship player would if they wanted to sign any of our players.

If the Rams wanted a fee for a player the Bulls wanted then the Bulls would have to pay a fee.

Our players are also free to sign for other clubs should they wish to.

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Having spoken to Stuart Duffy (Bradford Bulls football manager), I can confirm that Bradford must go through the same process any other Super League club wanting to sign a Championship player would if they wanted to sign any of our players.

If the Rams wanted a fee for a player the Bulls wanted then the Bulls would have to pay a fee.

Our players are also free to sign for other clubs should they wish to.

I was thinking more about Bradford wanting to take players as a short term fix for injury problems - in the same way that SL clubs are able to recall dual regs at the drop of a hat.

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I was thinking more about Bradford wanting to take players as a short term fix for injury problems - in the same way that SL clubs are able to recall dual regs at the drop of a hat.

Which is my only worry about this agreement, which seems ok other than this point GOR as made? The club does this then we are a feeder club and WILL LOSE FANS but if our lads are contracted to us for the full season and cant just join the bulls at short notice, like if they have an injury, then aslong as this isnt the case the agreement seems ok to me. We cant be having our players going to bulls during the season, that would be a disgrace and would lose us fans!

I love DEWSBURY but im afraid if the club do what me and GOR are worried about then i wont be buying a season ticket nor attending games to be a feeder club but imsure this isnt the case Tom? Hopefuly you can confirm that all our players are contracted to us, so cant join the Bulls during the season?

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Having spoken to Stuart Duffy (Bradford Bulls football manager), I can confirm that Bradford must go through the same process any other Super League club wanting to sign a Championship player would if they wanted to sign any of our players.

If the Rams wanted a fee for a player the Bulls wanted then the Bulls would have to pay a fee.

Our players are also free to sign for other clubs should they wish to.

So if bulls don't get first pick what do they get out of this deal. ?

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So if bulls don't get first pick what do they get out of this deal. ?

Their fringe players who aren't getting picked and are too old for the new Under-19s Academy competition will have the opportunity to play at a decent level instead of just kicking their heels on the sidelines.

Much like the benefits we'd get from a similar deal with Thornhill, Dewsbury Celtic and Shaw Cross.

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I was thinking more about Bradford wanting to take players as a short term fix for injury problems - in the same way that SL clubs are able to recall dual regs at the drop of a hat.

Like I said, Bradford will have to go through the same process as any other Super League club if they want to sign our players. They can't cherry pick and snatch at the drop of a hat.

I think the pros and cons of the dual-reg system is a separate issue.

Which is my only worry about this agreement, which seems ok other than this point GOR as made? The club does this then we are a feeder club and WILL LOSE FANS but if our lads are contracted to us for the full season and cant just join the bulls at short notice, like if they have an injury, then aslong as this isnt the case the agreement seems ok to me. We cant be having our players going to bulls during the season, that would be a disgrace and would lose us fans!

I love DEWSBURY but im afraid if the club do what me and GOR are worried about then i wont be buying a season ticket nor attending games to be a feeder club but imsure this isnt the case Tom? Hopefuly you can confirm that all our players are contracted to us, so cant join the Bulls during the season?

See above.

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Thanks Tom. Well in that case the deals a good one and i dont see any problems at all.

Thanks for the answering the questions for the fans too mate. Good work :)

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Thanks Tom. Well in that case the deals a good one and i dont see any problems at all.

Thanks for the answering the questions for the fans too mate. Good work :)

Thanks Chris.

When people are passionate about their club it's natural for them to feel suspicious about these kind of arrangements.

There are probably quite a few who still aren't convinced, but I'll try and answer (or find out the answer to) any more questions anyone has.

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Stopping my DREMA membership subscription after this month, having being among the first 12 to sign up for it around a decade ago. That club we are going to "synergise" with has been a cancer on the sport for too long.

Since the formation of the highly dubious league it has been at the forefront of, it has been wrongly held up as the paragon of how to run a modern club. When the time came that showed it was built on mud it was propped up by the corrupt, greedy and immoral individuals that run the top level of this sport.

I wish to play no part in propping it up further, financially or otherwise.

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All this is is S/L clubs saving money on there academy teams and using championship clubs to get the 23s in a environment to see if there good enough Lets see how you go on if it happened to my club I would walk away from the game it's not perfect now but this is just using the championship as a drop off for kids and injured first teamers in my opinion Good luck anyway

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I dont see it been a problem at all aslong as we use it wisely. By that i mean like Leigh did off Warrington the other year getting Blythe and Mitchell for the majority of the season.

Glens got his own squad and wel have around 25 players signed up . If we get 2 or 3 more from bulls and use it wisely. Ie playing the majority of the season then i dont see it been a problem.

Were our own club....

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I agree with credit.Apart from a few s.l clubs there isn't enough money to be fully prof.The likes of Hethrington at Leeds couldn't give a fig about the lower leagues.Are we any closer to the Aussies?

Bring back the word RUGBY LEAGUE.PROMOTION AND RELIGATION and have proper pyramid.

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This isn't just about players, it's about morals. Everybody knows the Super Greed clubs will dump on whoever they have to as soon as cash is waved in front of them. Clubs outside it are now, at best, an afterthought. We can all see through this PR drivel - Cummins talking about "natural synergy". Glad he never became our coach, even Warren Jowitt was more succinct.

I hate it when people talk about the "rugby league family" because this simply does not exist any more. The game is more divided than it has ever been and yet this fact is continually glossed over by Sky TV and others.

This move is just making a widening split even wider and it is not surprising that people who care deeply about RL are talking of walking away. That's what happens when you get punched in the stomach one too many times.

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This is a disappointing move by the club and is just another nail into the coffin of RL below SL level. We are becoming a feeder club on the sly.

Not sure what Tom is getting paid to put his spin on the announcement but it hasn't fooled me.

We see once proud clubs like Oldham and Rochdale facing 9 home league fixtures against made up teams and now we are turning into Bradfords b1tch.

Wouldn't it be nice if someone with some clout could form a breakaway from SL and form a competition with some meaning??

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This isn't just about players, it's about morals. Everybody knows the Super Greed clubs will dump on whoever they have to as soon as cash is waved in front of them. Clubs outside it are now, at best, an afterthought. We can all see through this PR drivel - Cummins talking about "natural synergy". Glad he never became our coach, even Warren Jowitt was more succinct.

I hate it when people talk about the "rugby league family" because this simply does not exist any more. The game is more divided than it has ever been and it yet this fact is continually glossed over by Sky TV and others.

This move is just making a widening split even wider and it is not surprising that people who care deeply about RL are talking of walking away. That's what happens when you get punched in the stomach one too many times.

I couldn't have put it better myself

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Clubs in football have links with other football clubs like we have formed with the bulls. It doesnt mean them clubs show a lack of ambition or isnt always a negative. i honestly can see the benefits,however i see why people arnt keen as SL clubs are only interested in themselves...

I do however think P AND R needs to come back ASAP for clubs who have ambition as its killing the sport

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I think the deal looks a good one not sure how it makes us a feeder club. We get pick of the players outside the first team I think the only question would be how is it week to week. Or long term I'd guess a mixture of both to keep both clubs happy.

I think we have gone too far to bring p and r back if you look at the practicalitys it just wouldn't be possible. I think you would need massive changes in the clubs and leagues before bringing p and r back. Despite a lack of p&r alot of clubs have had an increase in crowds ours included. I don't think it's killing the game.

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I know that most clubs seem to be linking up with SL teams, but the fact we have linked up with Bradford Bulls makes it 10 times worse.

I don't have an ounce of respect for that club and it will be interesting if they are demoted to the Championship in 2014, although not sure if that is still on the cards or not.

Assuming they are does that mean we will have to play in Champ 1?

Anyone, but Bradford... Thought a link up with Wakefield might have been on the cards, especially with Morrison at the helm now. I guess they will have Featherstone as their feeder club ;)

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