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If Jarrad Sammut plays for Dewsbury or Gareth Ellis plays for York next season, I will happily donate £500 to the BISSA squadbuilder fund.

You are painting bleak pictures of these partnerships to suit your agenda that just simply aren't going to happen.

Only time will tell, but I look forward to our donation none the less if it does. I also still await your factually backed up guarantees, that this marvellous system has constraints in place to make this sort of thing impossible. As stated earlier, I remember going to Bramley with a team consisting of players like Barry McDemott in it, I'll bet he was a "fringe" player at the time too. They were in a "partnership" with Leeds at the time and look what happened there.

As for your other question, if a club is budgeting a season based on income from away fans, then they are clearly doing it wrong. Income from away fans should always be a welcome bonus, nothing more.

Not a businessman then eh Gav? I'd bet a large percentage of a clubs income in most cases, is dependent on away fans, so it is idiotically naive to think a club would treat such a big percentage of income as merely a nice bonus and don't take it in to account. Don't kid yourself, every club needs away support, some more than others admittedly but they all need it. How do you think Hunslet budget for the season, with just there 200 or so season ticket holders and a bit of sponsorship no doubt? Wake up mate.

And if a teams fanbase doesn't want to travel more than 50 miles to a game, then you have to ask yourself why are they supporting a supposedly 'professional' club instead of their local North West Counties or Yorkshire league team...?

Are you being deliberately thick here, or is it a wind up? It is not a case of not wanting to travel, it is a question of affording the time and expense of travelling to the four corners of the UK to support your team. How many travelling fans did each club take to Toulouse when they were in the league? I'm sure it wasn't down to not wanting to go for most fans, they either couldn't afford to go or couldn't afford the time away from there family to go. It is also very different travelling those distances to away grounds a couple of times a season and going those distances every other week.

I suppose every one of the die hard York faithful (100% of them) will be travelling to each of the 3 Cumbrian teams next season, of course they will, just like all of the supposed die hard 1000 Sheffield home fans travel to all away games too?

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No. If I'm forking out next year that means you lot have already had Jarrad Sammutt... ;)

Thought he'd left Bradford?

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Only time will tell, but I look forward to our donation none the less if it does. I also still await your factually backed up guarantees, that this marvellous system has constraints in place to make this sort of thing impossible. As stated earlier, I remember going to Bramley consisting of players like Barry McDemott in it, I'll bet he was a "fringe" player at the time too. They were in a "partnership" with Leeds at the time and look what happened there.

Not a businessman then eh Gav? I'd bet a large percentage of a clubs income in most cases, is dependent on away fans, so it is idiotically naive to think a club would treat a big percentage of income as merely a nice bonus, don't kid yourself every club needs away support, some more than other. How do you think Hunslet budget for the season, with just there 200 or so season ticket holders and a bit of sponsorship? Wake up mate.

Are you being deliberately thick here, or is it a wind up? It is not a case of not wanting to travel, it is a question of affording the time and expense of travelling to the four corners of the UK to support your team. How many travelling fans did each club take to Toulouse when they were in the league? I'm sure it wasn't down to not wanting to go for most fans, they either couldn't afford to go or couldn't afford the time away from there family to go. It is also very different travelling those distances to away grounds a couple of times a season and going those distances every other week.

I suppose every die hard York fan (100% of them) will be travelling to each of the 3 Cumbrian teams next season, of course they will, just like all of the supposed die hard 1000 Sheffield home fans travel to all away games too?

I'm not saying this system is marvellous, I'm saying it has potential to improve the Championships, which it has. What Bramley did 20 years ago is completely irrelevant.

Not what I'm saying at all. I know clubs include away fans into their budget, I'm saying they shouldn't, as that is bad business practice. The clubs should focus on building their home supporter base instead. Tom Coates is already doing this for Dewsbury in a big way, it doesn't cost that much.

The return of promotion & relegation (probably in 2015) should help with this too.

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These match-up's won't last once the SL clubs have no more contractual obligations to Academy players so there's no need for the doom and gloom.

Equally there's no reason to be happy with it either as most SL academy players don't match up to proven championship players. Those that do or are proven SL quality will be staying put.

The debate should be about youth development and what comes next because Academies in SL hands have pretty much failed.

If the doom merchants fear that championship clubs become the academy structure then for one thing there'll be more money in the Championship. Equally this doesn't necessarily mean those clubs developing players will need to align to one from the SL and be prevented from promotion with that team.

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No need to ask club chairmen, logic and looking at the facts it doesn't take Einstein to work out what is happening in the game. Please advise which part of my rant was untrue or not based on fact?

Try......they have been trying to kill the lower ranks off since the inception of SL

Unless of course our understanding of "facts" also differs.

Please let me know what I am missing here, I simply do not see see how allowing the SL votes count more than those from teams in the Championship can be a positive thing for Championship clubs? As you correctly point out, the RFL are a representative body and not independent, all I ask is, who is pulling the strings? With SL clubs getting 2 votes to 1, whatever SL want they will get. I may be wrong but, by my reckoning, that makes 28 votes for the 14 SL clubs and to 20 for the rest of the teams combined? Am I missing something, maybe adding 2 and 2 doesn't always equal 4, I thought it did?

Are we supposed to believe that the rules of nature regarding self interest, will not, and are not followed in RL circles? We are supposed to believe that every club in SL make there decisions without any self interest at all, and do what is for the good of the game as a whole?

Looking towards the end of next season when relegation is a threat again, I think it would be pretty naive to expect every club to play by the rules when faced with playing in the bottom division the year after and likely financial ruin. Is it only logical to think that one or two clubs might try to bend a few rules to avoid the drop, especially given the RFL's past record of administering things like the salary cap. and the licensing system which awarded a club who had budgeted to lose £1 million last year a grade B license? I admire your confidence in them given there record. I also look forward to seeing Dewsbury's or any of the teams with a link up's team list in the last couple of rounds of the season, especially if they are facing relegation. You can bet your bottom dollar if the partner clubs gives 2 hoots for them, that they will not be going in to the last couple of rounds without at least a couple of star players who are miraculously returning from injury at the same time, to try and get them out of the mire. I ask would that be fair or in the spirit of the game?

Sheesh!!

Ready, fire, aim seems to be your motto. Every argument is countered by a tangential slant, once more based upon bitterness.

Try reading my sig - better still try to understand it.

Good luck.

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You're a cynic. They voted to keep Bradford in for many reasons.

(I'm not saying I agree with that decision mind you...)

name some

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Whats the point? What will it realistically achieve?

;)

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These match-up's won't last once the SL clubs have no more contractual obligations to Academy players so there's no need for the doom and gloom.

Hey, i hope you have permission to use common sense on this forum ;)

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Hey, i hope you have permission to use common sense on this forum ;)

Indeed...! :D

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I can't. see what the problem is with the link up with theBulls,if it doesn't work out for us,our chairman will pull the plug on the deal,we gave it a try and we will carry on by ourselves .If Rovers,Halifax and Sheffield don't want to give it a try,good luck to them.We will still have our clubs to support ,don't worry everyone.

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I can't. see what the problem is with the link up with theBulls,if it doesn't work out for us,our chairman will pull the plug on the deal,we gave it a try and we will carry on by ourselves .If Rovers,Halifax and Sheffield don't want to give it a try,good luck to them.We will still have our clubs to support ,don't worry everyone.

Thank you. You have no idea how happy this post has made me. If only all fans were capable of rational thought like you.

:D

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Gav I think you and Tom gave it a good go in the fev forum but I think the facts got in the way of whatever conspiracy theory is doing the rounds. Tin foil hats must be popular in fev.

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Gav I think you and Tom gave it a good go in the fev forum but I think the facts got in the way of whatever conspiracy theory is doing the rounds. Tin foil hats must be popular in fev.

Indeed mate. I've left them to it.

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We will still have our clubs to support ,don't worry everyone.

Have you ? :blink:

that's the key point at the heart of the issue.

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Indeed mate. I've left them to it.

Given up trying to justify the unjustifiable, more like. :dry:

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Stuart Duffy told a supporters meeting at the Bulls last night that they were looking to link up with having Dewsbury Rams as a feeder club.

Just to go back to the start of the thread. The problem,of course, is that once a few clubs have signed up to deals like this it becomes harder for other clubs to compete without a similar tie up. However, whether or not the Rams are a feeder club for the Bulls the mere perception that they are may well make it more difficult to attract new fans to the Rams. A club like York, which has some geographical isolation, may find it easier to retain identity, but for clubs like ours it may make it just that bit more likely that a new/young supporter would choose to support the SL club instead. Or am I wrong?

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Hey, i hope you have permission to use common sense on this forum ;)

It was a one day pass. Back to normality now.

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Just to go back to the start of the thread. The problem,of course, is that once a few clubs have signed up to deals like this it becomes harder for other clubs to compete without a similar tie up. However, whether or not the Rams are a feeder club for the Bulls the mere perception that they are may well make it more difficult to attract new fans to the Rams. A club like York, which has some geographical isolation, may find it easier to retain identity, but for clubs like ours it may make it just that bit more likely that a new/young supporter would choose to support the SL club instead. Or am I wrong?

I have to take issue with this idea of clubs competing. You are making the assumption that the academy level players available to linked clubs are of a good enough standard.

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I have to take issue with this idea of clubs competing. You are making the assumption that the academy level players available to linked clubs are of a good enough standard.

Perhaps you are right in challenging my assumption. Mind you, what would be the point of clubs entering into these arrangements if they didn't think that it would give them an edge?. The main point that I'm making, though, is that if there is a perception, rightly or wrongly, that a Championship club is a feeder club for a SL club in the near vicinity it may make it more difficult to attract new supporters to the Championship club.

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Perhaps you are right in challenging my assumption. Mind you, what would be the point of clubs entering into these arrangements if they didn't think that it would give them an edge?. The main point that I'm making, though, is that if there is a perception, rightly or wrongly, that a Championship club is a feeder club for a SL club in the near vicinity it may make it more difficult to attract new supporters to the Championship club.

Exactly. ;)

If you were a Fev supporter, would you watch Cas Reserves - even if they played their home games in your town?

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Exactly. ;)

If you were a Fev supporter, would you watch Cas Reserves - even if they played their home games in your town?

I don't think anyone would want to watch another teams reserves really, which reminds me, not that it bothers us, but Batley have apparently done a deal like we have with Bradford, JK says it is going to blow championship rivals away...

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I don't think anyone would want to watch another teams reserves really, which reminds me, not that it bothers us, but Batley have apparently done a deal like we have with Bradford, JK says it is going to blow championship rivals away...

jk will do whatever's best for jk.

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jk will do whatever's best for jk.

How very enigmatic? Do you mean as a person or as a professional? This statement I would suggest is applicable to the rest of RL, which I guess is the point of this thread. Clubs are doing what they perceive to be the best thing for their own interests, and I would suggest that includes all clubs!!

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