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Sinfield n chase 6 n 7 with burrow 9 n myler back up would be my guess

hope not as chase and sinfield would be a bad combination.

sinfield likes to play a control game without to much off the cuff rugby but chase plays loose off the cuff and i dont recon you can mix the styles very well at halfback. would rather see either chase and brough or sinfield and burrow but not a mix of them .

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We have. We just haven't had enough quality in the coaching team. If a team plays like Saints played all season then the whole team is going to look rubbish. That style of play - if style is what it can be called - is down to Rush, not the players. Rush and Cunningham as coaching staff have overseen the slide backwards in almost every player. That is particularly noticeable in the young players, those whom he has actually chosen to play at all that is (as opposed to relegate to the u20s, leave cooling their heels on the bench or send out on loan).

First Team

1.Paul Wellens

2.Ade Gardner

3.Michael Shenton

4.Sia Soliola

5.Francis Meli

6.Lance Hohaia

7.Jonny Lomax

8.Josh Perry

9.James Roby

10.LMS

11.Tony Puletua

12.Jon Wilkin

13.Chris Flannery

14.Anthony Laffranchi

15.Mark Flanagan

16.Paul Clough

17.Gary Wheeler

18.Shaun Magennis

19.Andrew Dixon

20.Lee Gaskell

21.Tom Makinson

22.Jamie Foster

23.Scott Hale

24.Nathan Ashe

25.Carl Forster

26.Josh Jones

27.Danny Jones

28.Joe Greenwood

29.Anthony Walker

30.Jordan Hand

34.

Adam Swift

when i look at this saints squad i still say theres not enough quality, especially when picking an england squad. ok players like soliola, laffranchi an puletua are, but these arent english players. i still maintain who out of this saints squad would be selected for england if all are fit, probably 2 or 3.

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considering super league have the top 8 play offs, surely the fact that the current england squad consists of 7 leeds, 5 warrington, 6 wigan, 2 hull?, 1 huddersfield, 1 castleford plus 1 souths 1 bulldogs, shows that the competition isnt as strong as everyone suggests. surely more players should be represented from other clubs in the league.

the spread of and amount of class english players surely is a problem.

what can be done to improve the situation?

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The England first choice RLWC2013 17/whos in contention is quite obvious.

Tomkins - best attacking threat by a long shot, best two full backs in the nrl were playing in the grand final, I'm guessing neither made errors in that game?

Charnley/Briscoe - Either or really, Briscoe probably more potential whilst Charnley more consistent.

Watkins/Atkins/Ratchford - Its there for the taking next year, whoever has the best season will take it.

Reed - I'd pick him as he will be very consistent, nothing special but won't miss many tackles and had decent partnership with hall last year.

Hall - Proven against Aussies to be good enough.

Widdop - Proven good enough at the NRL grand final, then again according to Mcbanana chase would be better somehow.

Brough - Kicking and Organisation and has abit of an attacking threat, best option out of poor bunch.

Luke Burgess - I've watched him play about 5 or 6 times but everytime he's looked arguably the best forward on the pitch, even when sam was playing, another season in the NRL will only help him.

Roby - Best hooker IMO.

Graham - Obvious choice, will add bite to the pack.

Westwood - obvious also

Sam Burgess - Obvious

Gareth Ellis - I think he's good enough ball in hand and defencivley to muscle up as a good defencive 13 and a ball handling one.

Burrow - Something different if it goes wrong.

Crabtree - Adds much size and the Aussies had problems last time. Could change the game.

Hock - Obvious and could have huge impact coming off bench.

Hill/Mossop/Patrick ect - Its up for grabs, next seasons form should decide.

This years tournament is irrelevant, give dixon and broughton a game see how they go. We won't find any answers to our questions.

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Graham - Obvious choice, will add bite to the pack.

Naughty. ;)

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i'll start it early MCNAMARA OUT!!

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It's a decent enough squad and the majority of selections are what most fans would go with, although I don't see anything in Ablett (and a few others) to suggest he's anything more than an honest plodder. That said, it's not exactly an inspiring selection. It certainly doesn't make me want to travel up from London to watch this team play at Craven Park. Ho-hum.

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Myler is one of those players where people have decided they hate him and nothing he could ever do would change that fact. He's got a good-looking girlfriend so it's something he'll have to live with. Part of me hopes he doesn't get near the team so he won't have people booing him after 5 minutes.

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The depressing thing for England fans should be that McNamara obviously thinks Chase and Sinfield will be his scrum base pairing for next season's World cup.

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i'll start it early MCNAMARA OUT!!

Nothing early about it. We Bradford fans were saying it four years ago.

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Im confused by the Heighington situation, is he available and not picked? He has been a colossus in an underperforming team this year, I dont like picking Ozzies in our squad, but I like the only pickin gthem against the ozzies tactic even worse! Go with the best team we can in every international i say.

Id like to see a back 3 of Heighington, Ellis and Oloughliin, as said above, Luke Burgess has had a great season too, im hoping he was considered for selection at least.

Id also be tempted to have a Rob Burrow, Sinfield halves combo, steady under pressure with some flair outside them.

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We have. We just haven't had enough quality in the coaching team. If a team plays like Saints played all season then the whole team is going to look rubbish. That style of play - if style is what it can be called - is down to Rush, not the players. Rush and Cunningham as coaching staff have overseen the slide backwards in almost every player. That is particularly noticeable in the young players, those whom he has actually chosen to play at all that is (as opposed to relegate to the u20s, leave cooling their heels on the bench or send out on loan).

I disagree. It was evident yous didn't have a halfback partnership to play expansively. It didn't change throughout the season, Simmons couldn't do anything with the squad to challenge and rush probably got the best out of the squad. With the signing of Hohaia I suspect that the Saints board will of spent their budget, and he was a flop. But with the wages he is likely on would they let Rush pick Gaskell over him, I doubt it. Rush did exactly what the Saints board wanted and I don't think he'd of had the freedom to do much more. Saying every player went backwards isn't true at all, they just didn't play as exciting.

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Myler is one of those players where people have decided they hate him and nothing he could ever do would change that fact. He's got a good-looking girlfriend so it's something he'll have to live with. Part of me hopes he doesn't get near the team so he won't have people booing him after 5 minutes.

Fiancé? Wife? She's terrific on Blue Peter.

I think with Hodgson, Monaghan and Briers, he is a very good foil, and I wish we had players with that game savvy around him. With no sufficiently creative 9 or 6, his support play and eye for the gap will not compensate for the lack of guidance. Just my opinion, though it is based on having seen him play a number of times, though not as often as regular players. I have even read Wire fans, who presumably don't "hate" him, argue that the young half back is a more natural playmaker.

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Brough's injured isn't he?

Apparently not according to the Huddersfield Examiner, was injured but doesn't need surgery.

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suggested team from the selected squad

1 sam tomkins

2 tom briscoe

3 kalum watkins

4 ryan atkins

5 ryan hall

6 kevin sinfield

7 richie myler

8 chris hill

9 mike mcilorum

10 sam burgess

11 ben westwood

12 gareth ellis

13 sean oloughlin

14 rob burrow

15 gareth hock

16 james graham/ adrian morley if graham banned

17 lee mossop

think this is a decent enough side, especially against france/wales. austalia and new zealand a different story?

thoughts?

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Same old same old

Performances will be OK against poorer opposition but won't inspire anyone, we'll flatter to deceive and if McBozzo is still there in 2013 he'll pick Chase n Sinfield, talk Peacock out of retirement, select JJB even though he'll be in poor form, put Ablett in at centre and play Wilkin at 2nd row.

We'll get tanked by the antipodean teams and embarrassingly go out of our own World cup in a one sided semi final defeat.

Fed up

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2013 World Cup Team

Profiles

1. Sam Tomkins The two time Man of Steel who switches to Rugby Union after the tournament has been his mercurial self throughout the Super League season but still hasn't produced that form in a big game.

2. Ryan Hall The now 19st winger, who's actually wider than he is tall, finished the season as the Rhinos top scorer after scoring every single try of the season from cross field kicks.

3. Jack Reed Prefered to Ryan Atkins even though he's now playing his Rugby League for Toowoomba Clydesdales, however he justifies his selection because he once scored a try in 2011 for Brisbane Broncos

4. Kallum Watkins Plays despite missing the whole season through injury, still a youngster he has huge potential if he can string a few matches together

5. Tom Briscoe Beat off strong competition from Josh Charnley, a 90metre tackle busting try against a tiring Widnes in round 7 of the SL season has 14,000 experts marking him down as England's Greg Inglis

6. Kevin Sinfield The Rhinos superstar has lead his team to sixth in the league and reached the Challenge Cup Final for a third consecutive year. Recently passed his referees course Sinfield is expected to take over from Stuart Cummings after the World Cup. Sinfields inclusion means no place for NRL Dream Team stand off Gareth Widdop who has now begun proceedings to become an Australian citizen.

7. Rangi Chase Controversioal Chase has sat out the second half of the season due to disciplinery issues at Castleford, it is aledged that in a drunken stupor he attacked Head Coach Ian Millward from behind while dressed as Santa. In his defence Chase claimed he thought Milward was a woman he once met in a taxi office.

8. Adrian Morley After a season of coming off the bench for Warrington Morley gets a starting gig for England ahead of boom youngsters Chris Hill and Alex Walmsley. Newly mummified and full of formaldehyde Morley brings the intimidation factor to the England pack

9. Kieran Cunningham the comeback king has reclaimed his place as Sts first choice number 9 pushing team mate James Roby onto the bench for both club and international duties. Welcome to 2004

10 Jamie Peacock England supremo Steve McNamara moved heaven and earth to find an NRL Ausie born English Qualified front rower but in the end he tempted his former Bulls team mate out of retirement for one last shot at the Ausies. Captain Peacock brings a wealth of experience in how not to win a major tournament at international level.

11. Jamie Jones Buchanan Despite being dropped and now released by Leeds Coach Brian McDermott, Steve McNamara recalls the pocket forward known ten years ago for his quick feet and eye for a gap. JJBs experience alongside Peacock and unique understanding with Sinfield could be fatal for England.

12. John Wilkin Amazingly Wilkin is prefered to Gareth Ellis in the back row, McNamara points to Englands lack of any real half backs and highlights Wilkins ability as a ball player thus offering another dimension to England's confused mediocrity in centre field.

13. Chris Heighington with Willie Manu injured and Feleti Mateo opting to play for NSW MCnamara turned to Ian Henderson as his choice at loose forward. After an in camp incident Henderson left the squad and was replaced by Heigington whom MCNamara says was his original first choice.

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So when James Graham cops a hefty ban tonight, will that include internationals? Not sure what the rules are

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2013 World Cup Team

Profiles

1. Sam Tomkins The two time Man of Steel who switches to Rugby Union after the tournament has been his mercurial self throughout the Super League season but still hasn't produced that form in a big game.

2. Ryan Hall The now 19st winger, who's actually wider than he is tall, finished the season as the Rhinos top scorer after scoring every single try of the season from cross field kicks.

3. Jack Reed Prefered to Ryan Atkins even though he's now playing his Rugby League for Toowoomba Clydesdales, however he justifies his selection because he once scored a try in 2011 for Brisbane Broncos

4. Kallum Watkins Plays despite missing the whole season through injury, still a youngster he has huge potential if he can string a few matches together

5. Tom Briscoe Beat off strong competition from Josh Charnley, a 90metre tackle busting try against a tiring Widnes in round 7 of the SL season has 14,000 experts marking him down as England's Greg Inglis

6. Kevin Sinfield The Rhinos superstar has lead his team to sixth in the league and reached the Challenge Cup Final for a third consecutive year. Recently passed his referees course Sinfield is expected to take over from Stuart Cummings after the World Cup. Sinfields inclusion means no place for NRL Dream Team stand off Gareth Widdop who has now begun proceedings to become an Australian citizen.

7. Rangi Chase Controversioal Chase has sat out the second half of the season due to disciplinery issues at Castleford, it is aledged that in a drunken stupor he attacked Head Coach Ian Millward from behind while dressed as Santa. In his defence Chase claimed he thought Milward was a woman he once met in a taxi office.

8. Adrian Morley After a season of coming off the bench for Warrington Morley gets a starting gig for England ahead of boom youngsters Chris Hill and Alex Walmsley. Newly mummified and full of formaldehyde Morley brings the intimidation factor to the England pack

9. Kieran Cunningham the comeback king has reclaimed his place as Sts first choice number 9 pushing team mate James Roby onto the bench for both club and international duties. Welcome to 2004

10 Jamie Peacock England supremo Steve McNamara moved heaven and earth to find an NRL Ausie born English Qualified front rower but in the end he tempted his former Bulls team mate out of retirement for one last shot at the Ausies. Captain Peacock brings a wealth of experience in how not to win a major tournament at international level.

11. Jamie Jones Buchanan Despite being dropped and now released by Leeds Coach Brian McDermott, Steve McNamara recalls the pocket forward known ten years ago for his quick feet and eye for a gap. JJBs experience alongside Peacock and unique understanding with Sinfield could be fatal for England.

12. John Wilkin Amazingly Wilkin is prefered to Gareth Ellis in the back row, McNamara points to Englands lack of any real half backs and highlights Wilkins ability as a ball player thus offering another dimension to England's confused mediocrity in centre field.

13. Chris Heighington with Willie Manu injured and Feleti Mateo opting to play for NSW MCnamara turned to Ian Henderson as his choice at loose forward. After an in camp incident Henderson left the squad and was replaced by Heigington whom MCNamara says was his original first choice.

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2013 World Cup Team

Profiles

1. Sam Tomkins The two time Man of Steel who switches to Rugby Union after the tournament has been his mercurial self throughout the Super League season but still hasn't produced that form in a big game.

2. Ryan Hall The now 19st winger, who's actually wider than he is tall, finished the season as the Rhinos top scorer after scoring every single try of the season from cross field kicks.

3. Jack Reed Prefered to Ryan Atkins even though he's now playing his Rugby League for Toowoomba Clydesdales, however he justifies his selection because he once scored a try in 2011 for Brisbane Broncos

4. Kallum Watkins Plays despite missing the whole season through injury, still a youngster he has huge potential if he can string a few matches together

5. Tom Briscoe Beat off strong competition from Josh Charnley, a 90metre tackle busting try against a tiring Widnes in round 7 of the SL season has 14,000 experts marking him down as England's Greg Inglis

6. Kevin Sinfield The Rhinos superstar has lead his team to sixth in the league and reached the Challenge Cup Final for a third consecutive year. Recently passed his referees course Sinfield is expected to take over from Stuart Cummings after the World Cup. Sinfields inclusion means no place for NRL Dream Team stand off Gareth Widdop who has now begun proceedings to become an Australian citizen.

7. Rangi Chase Controversioal Chase has sat out the second half of the season due to disciplinery issues at Castleford, it is aledged that in a drunken stupor he attacked Head Coach Ian Millward from behind while dressed as Santa. In his defence Chase claimed he thought Milward was a woman he once met in a taxi office.

8. Adrian Morley After a season of coming off the bench for Warrington Morley gets a starting gig for England ahead of boom youngsters Chris Hill and Alex Walmsley. Newly mummified and full of formaldehyde Morley brings the intimidation factor to the England pack

9. Kieran Cunningham the comeback king has reclaimed his place as Sts first choice number 9 pushing team mate James Roby onto the bench for both club and international duties. Welcome to 2004

10 Jamie Peacock England supremo Steve McNamara moved heaven and earth to find an NRL Ausie born English Qualified front rower but in the end he tempted his former Bulls team mate out of retirement for one last shot at the Ausies. Captain Peacock brings a wealth of experience in how not to win a major tournament at international level.

11. Jamie Jones Buchanan Despite being dropped and now released by Leeds Coach Brian McDermott, Steve McNamara recalls the pocket forward known ten years ago for his quick feet and eye for a gap. JJBs experience alongside Peacock and unique understanding with Sinfield could be fatal for England.

12. John Wilkin Amazingly Wilkin is prefered to Gareth Ellis in the back row, McNamara points to Englands lack of any real half backs and highlights Wilkins ability as a ball player thus offering another dimension to England's confused mediocrity in centre field.

13. Chris Heighington with Willie Manu injured and Feleti Mateo opting to play for NSW MCnamara turned to Ian Henderson as his choice at loose forward. After an in camp incident Henderson left the squad and was replaced by Heigington whom MCNamara says was his original first choice.

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2013 World Cup Team

Profiles

1. Sam Tomkins The two time Man of Steel who switches to Rugby Union after the tournament has been his mercurial self throughout the Super League season but still hasn't produced that form in a big game.

2. Ryan Hall The now 19st winger, who's actually wider than he is tall, finished the season as the Rhinos top scorer after scoring every single try of the season from cross field kicks.

3. Jack Reed Prefered to Ryan Atkins even though he's now playing his Rugby League for Toowoomba Clydesdales, however he justifies his selection because he once scored a try in 2011 for Brisbane Broncos

4. Kallum Watkins Plays despite missing the whole season through injury, still a youngster he has huge potential if he can string a few matches together

5. Tom Briscoe Beat off strong competition from Josh Charnley, a 90metre tackle busting try against a tiring Widnes in round 7 of the SL season has 14,000 experts marking him down as England's Greg Inglis

6. Kevin Sinfield The Rhinos superstar has lead his team to sixth in the league and reached the Challenge Cup Final for a third consecutive year. Recently passed his referees course Sinfield is expected to take over from Stuart Cummings after the World Cup. Sinfields inclusion means no place for NRL Dream Team stand off Gareth Widdop who has now begun proceedings to become an Australian citizen.

7. Rangi Chase Controversioal Chase has sat out the second half of the season due to disciplinery issues at Castleford, it is aledged that in a drunken stupor he attacked Head Coach Ian Millward from behind while dressed as Santa. In his defence Chase claimed he thought Milward was a woman he once met in a taxi office.

8. Adrian Morley After a season of coming off the bench for Warrington Morley gets a starting gig for England ahead of boom youngsters Chris Hill and Alex Walmsley. Newly mummified and full of formaldehyde Morley brings the intimidation factor to the England pack

9. Kieran Cunningham the comeback king has reclaimed his place as Sts first choice number 9 pushing team mate James Roby onto the bench for both club and international duties. Welcome to 2004

10 Jamie Peacock England supremo Steve McNamara moved heaven and earth to find an NRL Ausie born English Qualified front rower but in the end he tempted his former Bulls team mate out of retirement for one last shot at the Ausies. Captain Peacock brings a wealth of experience in how not to win a major tournament at international level.

11. Jamie Jones Buchanan Despite being dropped and now released by Leeds Coach Brian McDermott, Steve McNamara recalls the pocket forward known ten years ago for his quick feet and eye for a gap. JJBs experience alongside Peacock and unique understanding with Sinfield could be fatal for England.

12. John Wilkin Amazingly Wilkin is prefered to Gareth Ellis in the back row, McNamara points to Englands lack of any real half backs and highlights Wilkins ability as a ball player thus offering another dimension to England's confused mediocrity in centre field.

13. Chris Heighington with Willie Manu injured and Feleti Mateo opting to play for NSW MCnamara turned to Ian Henderson as his choice at loose forward. After an in camp incident Henderson left the squad and was replaced by Heigington whom MCNamara says was his original first choice.

The embarassing thing about this is that this could potentially happen with Mcnamara.

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So when James Graham cops a hefty ban tonight, will that include internationals? Not sure what the rules are

Apparantly Luke Burgess has been called up!

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