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06/10/12 - SL Grand Final: Leeds Rhinos v Warrington Wolves

Who will win?   39 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Leeds Rhinos by 13 points or more
      0
    • Leeds Rhinos by 7 to 12 points
      8
    • Leeds Rhinos by 1 to 6 points
      6
    • Warrington Wolves by 1 to 6 points
      6
    • Warrington Wolves by 7 to 12 points
      11
    • Warrington Wolves by 13 points or more
      8

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What a pathetic reply Saintslass.....Not saying i agree with the system, but we all know how it works..Seems you are bitter because Wolves lost, hence your "come on warrington"earlier in the thread....

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Special? They effectively ripped off their own fans picking and choosing the games they bother to play well in!

How many Leeds games have you been to this season?

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That's why they're champions. Over and over again when they have to be great they are. They were tested by a good Wire team, but, once they had settled looked like they would always find a way to win. They were similarly brilliant against Manly all those months ago.

Sinfield remains the ultimate conundrum - can there ever been a player for whom the gap between his international and domestic achievements is so vast? Is it too late for him to step up, I wonder?

As for England players, Hardaker looked ok. Every full back will make at least one howler in games at that level, and he could well go on to be international class. That Bailey's attack on the much smaller Myler (he's not that sort of player his coach cries) resulted in 5 Wire players out of position with 2 minutes to go was as funny a sight as I have seen in a long time. I even enjoyed the commentary, especially the surreal suggestion that Wire were inches away from scoring the try of the season when Briers tried and failed with a shallow chip rather than adopting arguably the simpler route of suggesting that he should have kicked as deep as he could while they were looking to make Leeds play catch up from their own line.

For Wire, I think the biggest factor in their defeat tonight was the impossibility of peaking twice within 6 weeks. In some respect the gap could not be worse - if it was shorter a team could sustain a run, if it was longer a team can go off and then back on the boil. I appreciate Leeds also played at Wembley, but winning is more draining.

Their victory has clearly polarised opinion, and I would have thought even the most one eyed Loiner must understand why there is an undercurrent of uncertainty from a wide range of sources about the 5th placed team winning twice running.

Overall, not a bad season at all, with a memorable and high quality finale and some great games along the way.

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When it comes to the crunch, Leeds have demonstrated why they are a class act. Great game and edge of the seat stuff.

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Eddie talks some ###### - "Great game! Two teams committed to winning!" Does he really believe than one team would go into a Grand Final committed to LOSING?!?! Idiot!

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How many Leeds games have you been to this season?

spot on

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What a pathetic reply Saintslass.....Not saying i agree with the system,

So you insult my reply but then agree with what I was saying! lol

but we all know how it works..Seems you are bitter because Wolves lost, hence your "come on warrington"earlier in the thread....

Actually, not true until last season. Until last season only Bradford had won it, once, from outside the top 2, and they were in third. Until last season the system was basically that the top two thrashed it out at OT. When did the top 8 come in? Was it 2010? I can't remember. But mostly the system has been top 5 or 6 with top going through after the first win. This year has proven that you can be a waste of space for most of the season because there is no incentive to achieve in the league. Leeds lost 11 matches over the season did they not? Yet they end up claiming to be champions. Well, they're grand final winners but to lose 11 matches over a season doesn't make them champions. It makes them cynical and their fans suckers for buying season tickets!

As for Warrington winning, I really didn't care who won as Saints weren't there but given that Wire haven't won the championship since Noah built his ark, and given that Wire have been the best team for the last two years, I wanted them to win it. That they didn't was of no bother to me one way or the other.

Still, until Leeds scored that try which put them 8 points ahead, it was a thoroughly enjoyable game of rugby league to watch. Once that try was scored, though, it ended as a contest and I switched the TV off.

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So you insult my reply but then agree with what I was saying! lol

Actually, not true until last season. Until last season only Bradford had won it, once, from outside the top 2, and they were in third. Until last season the system was basically that the top two thrashed it out at OT. When did the top 8 come in? Was it 2010? I can't remember. But mostly the system has been top 5 or 6 with top going through after the first win. This year has proven that you can be a waste of space for most of the season because there is no incentive to achieve in the league. Leeds lost 11 matches over the season did they not? Yet they end up claiming to be champions. Well, they're grand final winners but to lose 11 matches over a season doesn't make them champions. It makes them cynical and their fans suckers for buying season tickets!

As for Warrington winning, I really didn't care who won as Saints weren't there but given that Wire haven't won the championship since Noah built his ark, and given that Wire have been the best team for the last two years, I wanted them to win it. That they didn't was of no bother to me one way or the other.

Still, until Leeds scored that try which put them 8 points ahead, it was a thoroughly enjoyable game of rugby league to watch. Once that try was scored, though, it ended as a contest and I switched the TV off.

Actually,Leeds don't claim to be champions,the RFL deem them champions.

Again,do you think Leeds are not bothered about their league placing,because i can assure you they are.

Do you honestly think that they want to finish 5th and not top?

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Once that try was scored, though, it ended as a contest and I switched the TV off.

Displaying logic of that calibre, hopefully the computer will follow

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Again,do you think Leeds are not bothered about their league placing

I think all that Leeds care about is winning a Grand Final. I think they have a cynical policy. You don't end up in the same position two years running without there being a policy behind it. I think their priority is to get into the top 8 and that's all. So no, I don't think they care about their league position other than to get into the top 8 so that they can aim for the grand final again.

I would like everyone else to follow suit. If they do, we will end up with such a poor quality sport during the season that someone who makes changes might take notice and make the necessary change to nip this one in the bud.

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So all Leeds care about is winning the GF,how do you explain getting to Wembley and winning the WCC.

Believe me,they do care about their league placing.

You are so,so wrong.

And if it is Leeds policy to only finish in the top 8 and win the GF,well, it's working B)

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I think all that Leeds care about is winning a Grand Final. I think they have a cynical policy. You don't end up in the same position two years running without there being a policy behind it. I think their priority is to get into the top 8 and that's all. So no, I don't think they care about their league position other than to get into the top 8 so that they can aim for the grand final again.

I would like everyone else to follow suit. If they do, we will end up with such a poor quality sport during the season that someone who makes changes might take notice and make the necessary change to nip this one in the bud.

Leeds obviously employed a cunning diversionary tactic in getting to the Challenge Cup Final. :rolleyes: Devilishly clever. ;)B)

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Nowt much wrong with the system. Best team in SL won the GF - system works.

To suggest that any team have a policy to lose matches is, well, bizarre. With the exception of Saints of course who have stuck two fingers up to the SL by doing exactly this in the recent past.

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Even if Wire won I would have enjoyed that great final.

But they didn't, Leeds did! Therefore I loved that great final! :-)

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I thought the game was immense. But can't shake the feeling that Leeds only turn it on when it matters. Which I understand....but it still doesn't sit quite right for some reason.

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So you insult my reply but then agree with what I was saying! lol

As for Warrington winning, I really didn't care who won as Saints weren't there but given that Wire haven't won the championship since Noah built his ark, and given that Wire have been the best team for the last two years, I wanted them to win it. That they didn't was of no bother to me one way or the other.

Still, until Leeds scored that try which put them 8 points ahead, it was a thoroughly enjoyable game of rugby league to watch. Once that try was scored, though, it ended as a contest and I switched the TV off.

If Warrington have been the best team for the last 2 years are you equally as upset with Wigan for having he audacity to finish op of the league?

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great game for the neutral - Leeds brilliant yet again, well played

Carl Ablett is one heck of a player - why doesn't he get the recognition ?

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Carl Ablett is one heck of a player - why doesn't he get the recognition ?

In the England squad but apparently not worthy of a place,if this forum is to be believed.

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Yet the Aussies get on with and accept the system.........

Come on guys (N Gals) if it was you club winning from 5th you'd be over the moon. And I hate Leeds with a passion.

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In the England squad but apparently not worthy of a place,if this forum is to be believed.

As a significant critic of Ablett's England selection in the mid season, I stand by it as justified based on his sub standard form at the time. However he was excellent today and otherwise during the playoffs, and has now deservedly earned a spot. I remain unconvinced that he is little more than a good club player (an issue that afflicts a few at Leeds), however he deserves his chance to prove the doubters wrong.

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So all Leeds care about is winning the GF,how do you explain getting to Wembley and winning the WCC.

I was asked about whether Leeds care about league placing, not about whether they care about getting to wembley and winning the WCC (which they did this year but they haven't always done). I simply think they care more about the grand final. Their performances have changed at the back end of the season too many times now for it to be a coincidence. Any team wants to win any match; no team will go out to lose anything and to suggest otherwise is silly. But that is a lot different from planning when to peak, and training up to that point. Athletes do it all the time, for the Olympics, for world cups, etc. Leeds do it for grand finals.

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Yet the Aussies get on with and accept the system.........

How many times does a team in fifth win the grand final in Australia or even get to the grand final? Genuine question; I have no idea whether any team has.

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If Warrington have been the best team for the last 2 years are you equally as upset with Wigan for having he audacity to finish op of the league?

I'm not upset with Warrington or Wigan! I think much more should be made of getting to the top of the league as it is an achievement in itself. I believed that when Saints were doing it and I've believed it subsequently. However, I think Warrington put no emphasis on league position this season after their botch up last, when they blasted everyone away and then got booted out in the semis.

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I was asked about whether Leeds care about league placing, not about whether they care about getting to wembley and winning the WCC (which they did this year but they haven't always done). I simply think they care more about the grand final. Their performances have changed at the back end of the season too many times now for it to be a coincidence. Any team wants to win any match; no team will go out to lose anything and to suggest otherwise is silly. But that is a lot different from planning when to peak, and training up to that point. Athletes do it all the time, for the Olympics, for world cups, etc. Leeds do it for grand finals.

How many Leeds games have you seen this season,only the ones on Sky i would imagine.Again,you are wide of the mark.

Shall i put it in big letters for you,so you can fully understand.

YES, THEY CARE ABOUT WHERE THEY FINISH IN THE LEAGUE.THEY ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL.THEY WANT TO FINISH TOP EVERY SEASON BUT IT ISN'T POSSIBLE.

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