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From discussions I've had it's not anywhere near the £550k a year mark but the amount is still substantial.

I do believe that if the fans back this member ship scheme that it will inject a significant amount of cash into the club.

The proof really will be though, in how well our squad of 24 performs on the pitch - because people won;t fork out again I don't think

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Does the membership scheme tie in with season tickets Keni or are they separate?

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All ties in - effectively trying to get more for your money but also allowing those that won;t go to all games an opportunity to become members by supporting the club and recieving benefits. eg - as I live so far away for £50 I get 2 games plus all the other offers that somes with membership. they are also making the Wheldon Roda end Members only

All details are here

http://www.castigers.com/members/Pageflip/index.html

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All ties in - effectively trying to get more for your money but also allowing those that won;t go to all games an opportunity to become members by supporting the club and recieving benefits. eg - as I live so far away for £50 I get 2 games plus all the other offers that somes with membership. they are also making the Wheldon Roda end Members only

All details are here

http://www.castigers...flip/index.html

Sounds similar to what Leeds do mate.Hope it all goes well for the club.

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There is no guarantee of success and by merging the three clubs you may only end up with one club attracting similar gates to either Cas or Trinity. I concede future generations wouldn’t have the baggage of being a supporter of one of the three original clubs, but a new club would have to make it to that future before that potential support could naturally occur.

I'll put that in my locker of cracking posts, a real "in a nutshell" job.

Fans wise best recent crowds for the three are Fev 1,800, Trinity 8,200, and Cas 7,500. That's 17,500. If they all go to a combined club then you have a top club to match Wigan for support. If only half of them go you end up with a club with 8,750 still short of the rule of thumb break even figure.

Wakefield are not going to risk themselves by merging to save the skins of Cas or Fev, They are going to get on with Newmarket and watch their neighbours struggle shedding crocodile tears by the lagoon full. If Glover has money he'll be marketing Trinity all over the area and chasing all the best kids.

That's how it works in Leeds, that's how it's working in Hull.

There's 25 players in Superleague in the current first XV11's of Superleague clubs who come from Fev, Cas, Wakey, Normanton and Pontefract. It's the BIGGEST area for qiuality RL players. Last time a combined team of top players from this area operated in the top division they won the cup and then they won the championship.

In those days they called them Hull. Some time in the future Glover intends the latest crop to be called Wakefield.

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Interesting to read on the superleague website summary of this story, that the due to the world falling in on it's a*se, the RFL aren't placing much emphasis on stadia in the licensing next time. I can see a fair few being upset over that.

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Fev 1800! Somebody needs to get their facts right and as for saving our skins..... Thanks for the concern but we are not the club that needs saving so as has been said many many times in the past, take your merger talk and stick it where the sun don't shine.

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Fev 1800! Somebody needs to get their facts right and as for saving our skins..... Thanks for the concern but we are not the club that needs saving so as has been said many many times in the past, take your merger talk and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Could not agree more sidnee. I could not give a dam if we have 500 fans or 15000 fans, Fev is my team no matter what League they play in and who follows them. I do not regret for one moment the decision not to merge in 1995.

It's called loyalty, I don't expect some members on here to understand.

By the way I hope Cas get over there money troubles. The Fev V Cas rivelry is huge in my family, it just would not be the same without both clubs.

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From discussions I've had it's not anywhere near the £550k a year mark but the amount is still substantial.

I do believe that if the fans back this member ship scheme that it will inject a significant amount of cash into the club.

The proof really will be though, in how well our squad of 24 performs on the pitch - because people won;t fork out again I don't think

But this is the crux of the problem. Your best player doesn’t want to play for you. Your best young player (Clark) doesn’t want to play for you. We have a similar issue with our best young player at Hull KR. Why is this? These clubs just don’t have the resources or appeal for the very best other than as a stepping stone to better things. And Chase told you the issue was Millward, did he? Well of course he’d say that! What’s he going to tell a fan face-to-face? “I made a mistake and have decided I want to play for a contender”. Get real! Whatever else might have gone on with him, his heart clearly isn’t in it anymore. Show me a player whose heart isn’t in it playing for Leeds, Wigan, Saints or Wire, regardless of who’s coaching them.

And I mean no disrespect but getting excited over a membership scheme!!?? In what way does this even put Cas on a steady financial footing, let alone make them a real player? It’s very simple – we need sides in SL that sell themselves to new punters rather than having to scratch desperately for every available penny from their dwindling hardcore. Face facts - teams like Cas and to a lesser extent Hull KR are, sadly, an embarrassment to SL.

I’m excited by the idea of a merged West Yorks team and the rivalries they’d have with Leeds and Bradford (I also think Hudds should join with Halifax to create 4 powerhouse SL sides for the region). There’d be no hierarchy there. Leeds with its massive metropolitan borough might have a slight edge but the other 3 could eat into their fanbase by virtue of being just as competitive. Gareth Ellis would have signed for said team (did Cas even bother to pick up the phone?) then you could parade him alongside a happy Chase and the returning Shenton (who you signed anyway but somewhat less securely, going off recent events and what must he now be thinking?) as your 3-pronged poster boy assault on the sports media. Add Wakey's calibre players (Aiton & Mathers in particular) and the run of the rhubarb kids for the rest of eternity and that’s a team worth watching, that wouldn’t need fraught press conferences or desperate membership scheme whip rounds every few years and which could quite conceivably put the entire Cas/Wakey/Fev district firmly on the worldwide sporting map.

No use at all?

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Could not agree more sidnee. I could not give a dam if we have 500 fans or 15000 fans, Fev is my team no matter what League they play in and who follows them. I do not regret for one moment the decision not to merge in 1995.

It's called loyalty, I don't expect some members on here to understand.

By the way I hope Cas get over there money troubles. The Fev V Cas rivelry is huge in my family, it just would not be the same without both clubs.

This is not all about you. We all have a duty to the wider game as fans of whatever team we support. You should be terrified at the prospect of 500 fans turning out to see any respectable side and of RL as a whole taking any kind of backward step.

People like you are at the root of the problem of the sport of rugby league in the UK as I see it. Blinkered, selfish, unambitious, anchored to the past. Just thoroughly depressing.

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This is not all about you. We all have a duty to the wider game as fans of whatever team we support. You should be terrified at the prospect of 500 fans turning out to see any respectable side and of RL as a whole taking any kind of backward step.

He's a right to be against a merger and as I set out above I don't think a merger is the right thing.

The reality is that Wakefield under Glover hope to offer the area a vibrant competitive Superleague club and with Newmarket and crowds already over 8,000 they look set to do this. Fans come and go and today are prepared to travel so if this happens then Wakefield will build a fanbase of excellent proportions.

The other clubs can also take their chances and are doing so. Good luck to them and their fans.

Mr. Elliot will no doubt continue to support Rovers, but the only problem then would be if they declined to 500 fans, they may risk their very existence. But I doubt it will happen and to prevent it that's why we have to support and talk up the Championship.

Mergers are NOT necessary to cater for the fans needs. If they need SL there's a club down the road, if they need their old club it can continue in the Championship....

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And I mean no disrespect but getting excited over a membership scheme!!?? In what way does this even put Cas on a steady financial footing, let alone make them a real player? It’s very simple – we need sides in SL that sell themselves to new punters rather than having to scratch desperately for every available penny from their dwindling hardcore. Face facts - teams like Cas and to a lesser extent Hull KR are, sadly, an embarrassment to SL.

No disrespect but what a load of bull. If Hull KR and Cas are an embarassmet to RL then what are London Broncos?

In my opinion clubs like Cas and Hull KR are a must for the future of the game. The way you think is that if everyone mergers we will have all SL clubs averaging 15k. Well this won't happen supporters of current clubs simply will not go. When you have merged all these clubs and your master plan goes pear shaped what will we do then? We will not have teams such has Cas and Hull KR to fall back to.

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Let Cas and HKR merge if thats the 'future'. They could play somewhere in the middle, Goole maybe.

That should satisfy your unhealthy obsession with mergers and stop you banging on for something that does not affect you and something that 99% of the fans affected DO NOT WANT!

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Im a cas fan n personally if cas merged with fev n wakey n lets say called themselves calderdale then I would no longer follow a rugby league team, I would stil watch rugby but have no real interest in any team. Iv been cas all my life n anything else just wouldnt be the same, im sure many fans would share my view on the merge!

Do you share my view sidnee?

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As a Fev fan, yes. If there is no Fev then that's me finished with the game.

Some people do not seem to be able to take this on board and keep repeating the same rubbish. I sat on the pitch way back to protest and would do it again.

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from what i have heard cas may well be dropping the move to glasshoughton and instead make a fewimprovments to weldon road instead which if correct would seem to point to a big finacial problem and not just a tax bill been late

it also opens up the route to more finance for wakeys stadium from the council if they no longer have to commit to a new ground for cas

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The council have gone cold on any financial help to any club. They have now adopted an 'advisory' role and with the announcement that they have to save an extra 12.2 million, I can't see them coughing up any money for anything!

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From what i have heard cas may well be dropping the move to glasshoughton and instead make a few improvments to weldon road instead which if correct would seem to point to a big finacial problem and not just a tax bill been late

Cas were warned by the RFL about their ground not materialising some time ago putting their SL place under threat. As I understand it that warning has been effectively withdrawn, leaving Cas with a chance to stay in SL however not with the current poor facilities, hence their desire to improve the whatever it's called today.

That they don't have enough money is a given from what Ferres says

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And Bradford get 12 months after appalling financial regularities and the most soulless ground in rugby league.

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This is not all about you. We all have a duty to the wider game as fans of whatever team we support. You should be terrified at the prospect of 500 fans turning out to see any respectable side and of RL as a whole taking any kind of backward step.

People like you are at the root of the problem of the sport of rugby league in the UK as I see it. Blinkered, selfish, unambitious, anchored to the past. Just thoroughly depressing.

Strange because I think people like you are the root cause. No loyalty, no fight, trying to tell people what they should be doing and thinking you know everything about every club and every supporter.

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And Bradford get 12 months after appalling financial regularities and the most soulless ground in rugby league.

He's right.

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He's a right to be against a merger and as I set out above I don't think a merger is the right thing.

The reality is that Wakefield under Glover hope to offer the area a vibrant competitive Superleague club and with Newmarket and crowds already over 8,000 they look set to do this. Fans come and go and today are prepared to travel so if this happens then Wakefield will build a fanbase of excellent proportions.

The other clubs can also take their chances and are doing so. Good luck to them and their fans.

Mr. Elliot will no doubt continue to support Rovers, but the only problem then would be if they declined to 500 fans, they may risk their very existence. But I doubt it will happen and to prevent it that's why we have to support and talk up the Championship.

Mergers are NOT necessary to cater for the fans needs. If they need SL there's a club down the road, if they need their old club it can continue in the Championship....

That would be a valid point if said poster fancied switching allegiance to a growing Wakey. But he doesn’t. He wants his little teams to stay little but still be allowed to play with the big boys, dragging the credibility of SL down in the process. It’s not a sustainable position as you well know and have yourself said on this forum on many occasions.

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No disrespect but what a load of bull. If Hull KR and Cas are an embarassmet to RL then what are London Broncos?

An expansion team, created with the intention of blasting the wonderful game of rugby league out of its M62 heartlands and into the wider UK consciousness. In other words, a good thing and more valuable to the development of the game than a hundred Featherstones, Castlefords and Hull KRs, whether any of us like it or not. But keep hating on them in your small-minded “Hey! We were here first!” way if it makes you feel better. Who knows - you might even still have a parochial, largely ignored game with a piddling TV contract in 20 years to feel smug and happy about.

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Let Cas and HKR merge if thats the 'future'. They could play somewhere in the middle, Goole maybe.

That should satisfy your unhealthy obsession with mergers and stop you banging on for something that does not affect you and something that 99% of the fans affected DO NOT WANT!

You do not speak on behalf of anyone else.

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