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Bradford and Dewsbury link up

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Or maybe they just have less morals.

Or maybe Dewsbury see it as a good deal for them.

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There are obviously benefits for both teams in this arrangement, but mostly for Bradford, who avoid the cost of running a reserve team but still keep their players available just in case they need them.

The benefits for Dewbury are that they get some quality players to boost their team.

I can see a problem though with conflicts of interest between the two clubs. For instance, suppose Dewsbury, with the help of the Bradford loanees have a really good season and are challenging for honours in the Championship. Just as this challenge starts to be something concrete, the Bulls have an injury crisis and recall their players, pulling the rug out from under Dewsbury's season

This is a problem I can see from these feeder club arrangements. The feeder club loses their independence to a degree and are at the mercy of the SL club as regards player availability. The SL players also take up rosters spots that could be available for new players from the amateur ranks.

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The Championship strength is further weakened by the selfish SL clubs who are all more or less losing money and wanting ways to save them money even if it hurts the game as a whole. The clueless duo at the RFL Wood and Rimmer just allow this to happen scrapping academy rugby and tossing talented players on the scrapheap from this years U20s with no thoughts about the way things are in SL and the decisions being made are damaging the game as a whole and the idiots running the game from Red Hal dont seem to have a clue what to do. The fact is SL clubs dont have enough money to do things properly so are looking at ways that can benefit them rather than help Championship clubs. Do people really fall for this runbbish that Leeds twin with Hunslet, Bradford with Dewsbury to help the Championship club out? The fact is Sl clubs only care about themselves and such twinnings have never ever worked in the UK. I remember Leeds and Keighley a few years ago and Leeds scooped up Daryll Powell et al whilst Keighley got next to nothing. Leeds and York also previously has not really worked out.

And Bradford have very little to offer right now anyway and dont even have a real idea where they are heading themselves. They could even be out of SL in 12 months time! The official spin is twinning of clubs of mutual benefit. What rubbish. Sl is in a mess and the RFL is right now run by two clowns who have no idea. Instead of encouraging such things, the RFL should be sitting down with SL and Championship clubs and finding out how serious the problems are and looking to find a framework to work towards and for me force clubs to spend money running an U20s and U18s and bring through players properly. The RFL and all Clubs need to re evaluate things right now in a proper way not just look for ways to save money. Whether that means Scrapping Licences or not or bringing back P & R in some form it doesnt matter. Right now there are major problems in the game and simply scrapping things like the U20s to save money is not a solution but a knee jerk reaction that will hurt the game. The RFL and clubs need to work together to improve things for the game as a whole, not just SL clubs or certain clubs.

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Leeds and York also previously has not really worked out.

Leeds and York had a nice little arrangement that worked quite well to be fair.

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How will the salary cap now work in the Championship? If Dewsbury can field six or more Bulls players they have a grossly unfair advantage over those clubs in CC who choose not to twin with SL clubs. The integrity of the Championship is seriously compromised just on this one issue alone. Mind you if the SL clubs can save £100k per year it will all be worth it. Will Glen Morrison be in total control of selecting HIS team? If Bradford want a player to play then he'll sure as hell play.

How much thought have the RFL actually put into this?

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How long did it last? 2 seasons at best wasnt it?

2004 until one of the March twins got bladdered in a hospitality box at Headingley and they wern't invited back... (2009?)

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How will the salary cap now work in the Championship? If Dewsbury can field six or more Bulls players they have a grossly unfair advantage over those clubs in CC who choose not to twin with SL clubs. The integrity of the Championship is seriously compromised just on this one issue alone. Mind you if the SL clubs can save £100k per year it will all be worth it. Will Glen Morrison be in total control of selecting HIS team? If Bradford want a player to play then he'll sure as hell play.

How much thought have the RFL actually put into this?

I and many others share your fears. Some Championship clubs will 'go it alone' some will be half full of SL fringe first teamers on an irregular basis. What a recipe for disaster.

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OK sorry thought it was less. My mistake sorry again.

Nah its alright. I understand your concern, but if both clubs put the effort in, it *could* work well for everyone.

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How do the SL clubs save £100k per year? Is this across all clubs or per club?

I presume the SL clubs will still have to pay the wages of the players they are farming out? CC clubs can't afford it and/or will break the salary cap (unless it is to be conveniently ignored for this purpose).

Does it really cost £100k to run a reserve team outside of the players salaries?

If Team A has the use of 7 dual reg players for the course of the season, and are doing very well, then their parent club Team B has a bit of an injury crisis with 6 games to go of the regular season. How does Team A i) Finance new players to keep their momentum going and ii) stay onside of the salary cap, as presumably their salary cap will be spent with 6 games to go. Does their season just fall apart without those 7 key players, some in key positions.

This could spell real trouble for a CC club who rely on (or are forced to play certain players) in this arrangement.

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The maximum number of players allowed is 5. Alot of clubs already had players in and out out of the squad on loans and dual reg. All this does is give Dewsbury options.

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How much thought have the RFL actually put into this?

A heck of a lot, around about 1995 when they calculated they needed clubs to merge to form a strong Superleague that could stand the test of time.

Instead they ended up with all the clubs going it alone so many so called SL clubs are now skint and many Championship SL wanabees will dream on year after year.

The tie ups may look like the RFL making a mess of things, but to me it looks like them trying to achieve what they wanted to achieve in 1996.

The "Calder" idea was merging on the ridiculous according to some. Resisting this lead to Wakey going bust, Cas in a "precarious position" and your lot never having got in SL after all these years.

Don't mistake this as "having a go", I'm just offering a reason why this move is happening...

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Bradford have certainly taken advantage of those resources belonging to others.

You seem to indicate that a club has a right to the players and fans in their area??

If that was a right and was enforced, Superleague would collapse then the game itself would collapse.

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The Championship strength is further weakened by the selfish SL clubs who are all more or less losing money and wanting ways to save them money even if it hurts the game as a whole.

Championship strength??

What strength?? Minimal junior set ups if any and an average of what 1400 fans a game????

As for your criticism of Super League clubs losing money, of course they lose money, it's hard to run as a professional outfit without enough fans and players.

But hey, let's go back 20 years and all run semi professionally and erm all lose money......

This game has to combine resources and stop trying to pickle the past.

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A heck of a lot, around about 1995 when they calculated they needed clubs to merge to form a strong Superleague that could stand the test of time.

Instead they ended up with all the clubs going it alone so many so called SL clubs are now skint and many Championship SL wanabees will dream on year after year.

The tie ups may look like the RFL making a mess of things, but to me it looks like them trying to achieve what they wanted to achieve in 1996.

The "Calder" idea was merging on the ridiculous according to some. Resisting this lead to Wakey going bust, Cas in a "precarious position" and your lot never having got in SL after all these years.

Don't mistake this as "having a go", I'm just offering a reason why this move is happening...

So how's the salary cap going to work so that it doesn't compromise the integrity of the competition? Featherstone have to spread theirs over a full squad while Dewsbury have half a dozen SL players who will be exempt leaving them with a large chunk of money to top up their squad with high quality players. How can it be a fair competition? All for the greater good I suppose.

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What strength?? Minimal junior set ups if any

Both Featherstone and Sheffield are on an equal footing to SL clubs in this respect but sadly don't have the £110k annual hand out to fund it, like SL clubs do.

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stinks, go into administration shaft your creditors and still given a top rating by the RFL..............

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When this like other well worked out plans by the RFL fail or they change the rules before the bottom drops out, will the clubs like Dewsbury find themselves trawling the Teir 4 leagues for a couple A N Others and a few S O Else's?

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Both Featherstone and Sheffield are on an equal footing to SL clubs in this respect but sadly don't have the £110k annual hand out to fund it, like SL clubs do.

and just where are bradford getting the £110k to hand out?????

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Championship strength??

What strength?? Minimal junior set ups if any and an average of what 1400 fans a game????

As for your criticism of Super League clubs losing money, of course they lose money, it's hard to run as a professional outfit without enough fans and players.

But hey, let's go back 20 years and all run semi professionally and erm all lose money......

This game has to combine resources and stop trying to pickle the past.

even for you parky, that was the most arrogant and ridiculous drivel i have ever read...............championship clubs are the heart of our game and develop young players at a much higher rate than super league clubs, who's sole aim appears to be to recruit as many antipodeans on dodgy passports as possible.

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Championship strength??

What strength?? Minimal junior set ups if any and an average of what 1400 fans a game????

As for your criticism of Super League clubs losing money, of course they lose money, it's hard to run as a professional outfit without enough fans and players.

But hey, let's go back 20 years and all run semi professionally and erm all lose money......

This game has to combine resources and stop trying to pickle the past.

But the whole purpose of these arrangements is to minimise the junior set ups of the SL clubs. You are slating the CC clubs for minimal junior set ups in a post defending SL clubs for reducing their junior set up. This is a little hypocritical, don t you think ?

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and just where are bradford getting the £110k to hand out?????

The RFL have given them it after going round stealing all the kiddies charity boxes. They also used the money from the poppy collection too.

The aim is to remove Dewsbury from RL, then maybe Batley. Eventually they hope to kill off the entire game of Rugby League.

It's pretty obvious what the game is really.

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You are slating the CC clubs for minimal junior set ups in a post defending SL clubs for reducing their junior set up.

Oh my gawd here we go again.

I'm not slating anyone and I am not defending anyone, can't you discuss a situation without drawing battle lines??

Amateur clubs in Championship areas have provided around three dozen first team Superleague players to Superleague. Superleague develops it's own players from local junior clubs too, but only four clubs could make up a Superleague side from locals.

And so the game has to ship in going on for 80 overseas players

Simple, the game does not produce enough quality players and those that appear in Championship club areas go straight to Superleague and by pass the Championship clubs.

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