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Romney v Obama

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Mitt Romney is adjudged to have 'won' the first US Presidential TV debate with Barack Obama.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/04/romney-obama-first-presidential-debate

Will Obama be a one-term Prez? Watching from afar he strikes me as being reasonably competent and occasionally likeable, whereas I find the prospect of President Romneyshambles quite depressing.

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"I'm not American, why should I care"

Although my actual answer would be more diplomatic, "not fussed".

I know little of UK politics, I know 99% less than that of US politics. I'm not sure who's who, Democrat or Republican, but that Obama's party are the good guys. I know even less of how the two parties would compare to ours on the 'wing' sliding scale.

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There is, I've heard, a bit of a tradition of the standing President not doing well in the first public debate. Plenty of time to go.

He's been an okay President - nothing special - but I certainlt wouldn't like to see Mittens (and the even weirder and nastier folks behind him) as the most powerful politician in the Western world.

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In all fairness if there was one debate that he was going to be vulnerable on just like any other American president it is the economy so not unexpected. Romney still needs a huge turnaround to close the deficit that he has in the polls!

Nick Clegg was the most impressive in the first debates in our last election!!!

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Romney is a moron comparable only to Reagan or Bush Junior therefore anyone bar Dick Cheney would be preferable.

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American friends have said the 'debate' was boring and pointless, they both talked over each other, went over time, never answered the questions and said nothing substantive. So, normal politics, then.

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Romney is a moron comparable only to Reagan or Bush Junior therefore anyone bar Dick Cheney would be preferable.

In the Republican nomination race, Romney looked like a slick operator up against Gingrich, RuPaul, that woman who kept gabbling on about witchcraft etc. Then he came over to Europe and came across as a clumsy rube. The Democrats will be playing on that, I'm sure.

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In the Republican nomination race, Romney looked like a slick operator up against Gingrich, RuPaul, that woman who kept gabbling on about witchcraft etc. Then he came over to Europe and came across as a clumsy rube. The Democrats will be playing on that, I'm sure.

The problem is that the American electorate don't care much about or have much knowledge of foreign policy.

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Why do many American Presidential candidates look like extras from a Barbie photoshoot? Romney looks plastic...

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As Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show, Obama is one lucky ###### to be up against a man and a party who are mad as a bag of frogs, only Romney is luckier to have fought for the GOP nomination against Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum et al. I'm an unashamed Obama fan, he can do no wrong IMO.

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Why do many American Presidential candidates look like extras from a Barbie photoshoot? Romney looks plastic...

I guess that's what they call the 'all American' look.

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The problem is that the American electorate don't care much about or have much knowledge of foreign policy.

Most Americans don't have passports. Large numbers of Americans live thousands of miles from the sea or their neighbouring countries So. I suppose we'd be the same in the same situation. I suppose the ones who venture abroad have a different outlook. We met two American couples this summer, one in the Crown Liquor Saloon in Belfast and the other in a bar in Rouen and they were really friendly and seemed like really nice people.

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"I'm not American, why should I care"

Although my actual answer would be more diplomatic, "not fussed".

I know little of UK politics, I know 99% less than that of US politics. I'm not sure who's who, Democrat or Republican, but that Obama's party are the good guys. I know even less of how the two parties would compare to ours on the 'wing' sliding scale.

So why post?

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So why post?

Keep you on your toes, you haven't been condescending for a day or two.

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Keep you on your toes, you haven't been condescending for a day or two.

Ooh snap!

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he can do no wrong IMO.

He can do plenty wrong.

He's just not as bad as the loon.

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Obama hasn't been a bad president - I think particularly domestically he's done some good things, and probably deserves credit for steering the US economy to slightly safer waters - but my impression is that when it comes to the "big picture" stuff he's been found wanting.

The US defecit problem is still unresolved (is it next year that the US govt will run out of money again?); he's fudged the withdrawal from Afghanistan; the middle-east as a whole looks as mental and dangerous a place as it ever did; and he's continued some of the shameful policies of previous administrations - drone bombing of civilians in Pakistan perhaps tops the list.

If he get's a second term I hope he takes a few more chances.

Romney to me looks like another stuffed dummy politician: charming, presentable and reasonably bright, but utterly malleable to his proposers' and supporters' wishes. Not to be trusted in a position of power.

I also reckon Obama should have gone for Clinton, H. as a running mate.

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The MidEast being a mess is hardly Obama's fault. It has been a mess for decades and will be so for decades to come.

The US don't have a policy of drone bombing civilians. They target terrorists and sometimes civilians get caught up in it, said but the nature of war.

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He's fudged the withdrawal from Afghanistan; the middle-east as a whole looks as mental and dangerous a place as it ever did; and he's continued some of the shameful policies of previous administrations - drone bombing of civilians in Pakistan perhaps tops the list.

The MidEast being a mess is hardly Obama's fault. It has been a mess for decades and will be so for decades to come.

The US don't have a policy of drone bombing civilians. They target terrorists and sometimes civilians get caught up in it, said but the nature of war.

How has Obama fudged the withdrawal from Afghanistan?

I find myself agreeing with NS again (!), the Middle East mess has absolutely nothing to do with Obama and the policy of drone strikes against Al Qaeda operatives has systematically whipped out much of the Al Qaeda leadership leaving them a dispirited, fragmented and smallscale world player. The drone strikes have been a massive success (but controversial of course).

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The drone strikes have been a massive success (but controversial of course).

By conservative estimates that's 10 dead completely-innocent civilians for every possible terrorist killed.

*slow hand clap*

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The MidEast being a mess is hardly Obama's fault. It has been a mess for decades and will be so for decades to come.

The US don't have a policy of drone bombing civilians. They target terrorists and sometimes civilians get caught up in it, said but the nature of war.

When did the USA declare war on Pakistan?

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When did the USA declare war on Pakistan?

The USA is not bombing the Pakistan military. What's your point?

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By conservative estimates that's 10 dead completely-innocent civilians for every possible terrorist killed.

*slow hand clap*

source?

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As Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show, Obama is one lucky ###### to be up against a man and a party who are mad as a bag of frogs, only Romney is luckier to have fought for the GOP nomination against Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum et al. I'm an unashamed Obama fan, he can do no wrong IMO.

That sort of uncritical support is one of the reasons why Obama was in so much trouble during the debate. He's never been challenged since becoming president, while Romney was fighting off other challengers in the Republican nomination race and has honed a strong debating technique. And he has also been a target for most of the American media during that process, so he is used to handling criticism in a way that Obama isn't.

And, talking about politicians who are as mad as a bag of frogs, I see that former VP Al Gore is apparently claiming that Obama performed so poorly because he was suffering from altitude sickness. Apparently Denver is 5,000 feet above sea level, although it didn't seem to affect Obama too badly at the Democratic Convention, which I believe was also held in that city.

Wednesday night's debate seems to have revitalised the American election, and there now follows a debate between the VP candidates Biden and Ryan next week.

It's also worth noting that the official viewing figures for the debate were something in excess of 58 million, so we can expect Obama to be working hard to put right the things that went wrong this week.

The election is by no means a done deal.

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And, talking about politicians who are as mad as a bag of frogs, I see that former VP Al Gore is apparently claiming that Obama performed so poorly because he was suffering from altitude sickness. Apparently Denver is 5,000 feet above sea level, although it didn't seem to affect Obama too badly at the Democratic Convention, which I believe was also held in that city.

The Convention was held in Charlotte, N.C., at considerably lower altitude. I have heard it said Obama had a touch of man-flu.

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