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No, but they have half a dozen south eastern born lads in Superleague now. Sheffield have produces none after nearly 30 years existence.

Love Sheffield Eagles but how are they viable for SL when they produce no pro players and have few fans?

I'd have thought Laughton, Aston and Darryl Powell were all pretty good evidence of Sheffield producing a bit of class. Who knows what they could have done if they'd been allowed to continue instead of being shat on. From the ruins they've built a very good side.

If they had a decent stadium who knows what sort of crowds they'd get. Bramhall Lane is too big, Don Valley is ###### for RL. I know I've said it before but Millmoor is standing empty and not a million miles from where they play now.

They scored possibly the best try of the season in any league last Sunday and like Fev, Leigh and Fax deserve a chance.

That's the problem though with this stiupid franchise system. All four can't have a chance and no team can stay at the top indefinitely until the RFL deigns to give them a licence.

P&R: two ten team leagues:. one fully pro, one hybrid - (some full time some part time.) So the leap to Super League is not so daunting.

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Go on then......... where will they get their money, the pro players and the fans from?

I don't know maybe they could submit a document with their answers to these questions and the RFL could read it and have a think.

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Danny is a Barnsley lad Phil as you know- Came to the game through Hoyland and then on to Siddal and Halifax. He did a good job of coaching King Cross U16s the other year as well

If we are talking about the possibility of Sheffield in SL, I think Barnsley is close enough to Sheffield to be "in their backyard".

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Would that be a good thing for Doncaster RL?

It would be a very good thing for rugby league, The Dons have really pushed on over the last two seasons and now have just about every high school playing the sport in the district, the down fall for local expansion will be the lack of people to administrate a new club, I've documents that include 26 teams in a Doncaster & District cup draw, so the district with helpers could sustain a 100% increase in amateur clubs.

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It would be a very good thing for rugby league, The Dons have really pushed on over the last two seasons and now have just about every high school playing the sport in the district, the down fall for local expansion will be the lack of people to administrate a new club, I've documents that include 26 teams in a Doncaster & District cup draw, so the district with helpers could sustain a 100% increase in amateur clubs.

Lovely stuff, hope it happens then!

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Lovely stuff, hope it happens then!

It has been reported on here that Balby High School have a good under 16's team and from Doncaster town centre to Balby and beyond all the way to Bolton-on-Dearne (Dearne Valley Bulldogs) there are no other amateur clubs, thats a massive populated area with towns and villages very close together, I know the Dons are trying very hard to either get a club up and running or directing the lads to the 3 clubs already in Doncaster.

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Danny Fearon

Yeah I know Si, but a South Yorkshire lad

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I'm telling you that Bradford are having a 2nd go at SL, whereas the OP didn't think Sheffield deserved one. If it's Ok for Bradford to have a 2nd go, why should it not be ok for Sheffield if they submit a good application.

It's you who are obsessing and very very touchy if anyone mentions your beloved Bradford in any way. I was not disparaging them here at all. I was just pointing out the inconsistencies between it being ok for the Bulls to have a second go after failure but not, according to the poster, ok for Sheffield.

Sheffield have been out of SL since 2000. Bulls have had financial problems in 2012 but have not been out of the top flight.

If you think these 2 situations are the same then I suggest you have a reality check. You shoe-horned the bulls into a thread about Sheffield based on nothing other than personal obsession.

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But to get back to the point, its a shame they don't get bigger crowds as they are a very good side to watch and a key area IMO.

I'd be surprised if we could make any significant inroads there though, so perhaps they might be better biding their time for another year or so and aim for some modest improvement.

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I'm telling you that Bradford are having a 2nd go at SL, whereas the OP didn't think Sheffield deserved one. If it's Ok for Bradford to have a 2nd go, why should it not be ok for Sheffield if they submit a good application.

It's you who are obsessing and very very touchy if anyone mentions your beloved Bradford in any way. I was not disparaging them here at all. I was just pointing out the inconsistencies between it being ok for the Bulls to have a second go after failure but not, according to the poster, ok for Sheffield.

I hope you are not accusing me of saying "its OK for Bradford to have a second go at SL after failure , but not OK for Sheffield".

As far as can see your the first person on this thread to mention Bradford. My point is that as far as I can see there is no evidence of any change of circumstances at Sheffield which would now make them a viable SL club.

And that is not decrying their right to be one.

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But to get back to the point, its a shame they don't get bigger crowds as they are a very good side to watch and a key area IMO.

I'd be surprised if we could make any significant inroads there though, so perhaps they might be better biding their time for another year or so and aim for some modest improvement.

Carch 22. They dont get bigger crowds because they declared that they didnt want to go up -and even if they did there is no definite promotion which puts people off going to regular games because they are meaningless once youve ticked a box. Its then down to the panel of experts to choose. This really puts off your general man on the street.

If Sheffield do declare interest crowds might pick up because if they did get over 2500 gates theyd be a shoe-in - because of them being a semi expansion city club. Unfortunately fans of town clubs in NL 1 are disadvantaged in this respect.

I would love to see the Eagles in SL anyway

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I hope you are not accusing me of saying "its OK for Bradford to have a second go at SL after failure , but not OK for Sheffield".

As far as can see your the first person on this thread to mention Bradford. My point is that as far as I can see there is no evidence of any change of circumstances at Sheffield which would now make them a viable SL club.

And that is not decrying their right to be one.

Whether or not their circumstances are now appropriate for them to be admitted to SL would be determined by the requisite authorities on receipt of their application.

A poster on here stated that Sheffield failed once in SL, why should they be given a second chance.

I did mention Bradford in that they were given a second chance at SL, so why could Sheffield not also get that right.

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Sheffield have been out of SL since 2000. Bulls have had financial problems in 2012 but have not been out of the top flight.

If you think these 2 situations are the same then I suggest you have a reality check. You shoe-horned the bulls into a thread about Sheffield based on nothing other than personal obsession.

If you say so and you are getting so upset about it because of your personal obsession with the same club.

Now that I come to think about it. This present Sheffield is a completely new club started after the first Sheffield club were merged with the Giants. I think they should be given a chance to apply for SL on their own merits, separate from the performamnce of the old Eagles in just the same way that the new Bulls are in SL on their own merits having left the problems of the old Bulls behind them.

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I agree with Parky, they should just pack up, along with Leigh, Featherstone, Halifax etc.

I never for one second said they should pack up.

Now where will they get the money, fans and players???

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I'd keep an eye on Doncaster if they can build bridges with the amateur clubs in the area........

If only mate. Amateur base too small as is the fan base.

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I don't know

Nor do I.

Open question to all,

Where will Sheffield Eagles get their money, players and fans from?

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Quote from Keighley.

"A poster on here stated that Sheffield failed once in SL, why should they be given a second chance".

I think you will find the post was worded as below - quite different to what you are saying.

"Hasn't a Sheffield club already had a go in Super League ? - and failed". "Why would any new attempt be different" ?

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Carch 22. They dont get bigger crowds because they declared that they didnt want to go up -and even if they did there is no definite promotion which puts people off going to regular games because they are meaningless once youve ticked a box. Its then down to the panel of experts to choose. This really puts off your general man on the street.

If Sheffield do declare interest crowds might pick up because if they did get over 2500 gates theyd be a shoe-in - because of them being a semi expansion city club. Unfortunately fans of town clubs in NL 1 are disadvantaged in this respect.

I would love to see the Eagles in SL anyway

Yes, some of what you say is true but to really make a long lasting impression in Sheffield, they will need more than the odd good season and occasional crack at the big time. They need to get more fans but that's not easy when Wednesday or United are close to religion for many.

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Nor do I.

Open question to all,

Where will Sheffield Eagles get their money, players and fans from?

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Nor do I.

Open question to all,

Where will Sheffield Eagles get their money, players and fans from?

Id imagine their fans would be from sheffield mainly which would then bring in the money which would be used to buy players and develop their own. Problem is its hard to sell a product which isn't goong to get any better for along time with licensing in place. Most new fans want to see success instantly and don't support on team saying they'll be watching in 6 years time because that's when the youth structure and business plan to be good enough to get into SL.

That's basically 95% of Lobbys posts on this forum into 100 words or so.

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Hasn't a Sheffield club already had a go in Super League ? - and failed. Why would any new attempt be different ?

Sorry to be pedantic, but....I think you will find that the Sheffield club to which you refer is still in Superleague and throughout the year pulled an aggregate attendance of 100,000+ and finished in the play-off positions...not exactly failure

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/8c491f1c578c51d1e49187f980119932/compdetails

They simply changed names!

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Id imagine their fans would be from sheffield mainly which would then bring in the money which would be used to buy players and develop their own. Problem is its hard to sell a product which isn't goong to get any better for along time with licensing in place. Most new fans want to see success instantly and don't support on team saying they'll be watching in 6 years time because that's when the youth structure and business plan to be good enough to get into SL.

That's basically 95% of Lobbys posts on this forum into 100 words or so.

But actually, they do. Almost every massive sports club in the world started with a few people trying to do something for fun or for their local community, not for success. Success and riches followed on from that, not the other way round.

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Danny is a Barnsley lad Phil as you know- Came to the game through Hoyland and then on to Siddal and Halifax. He did a good job of coaching King Cross U16s the other year as well

So is Mitch Stringer nothing to do with the Eagles he played for and coached Hoyland

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Could be good thing. A big city with an existing rugby league core. Two mediocre soccer teams and no union to speak of. (Just) outside the heartlands so no problems

Is there a 'rugby league core' in Sheffield? I must have missed it whilst I was living there. Perhaps you're referring to the ONE amateur club in the entire city. I guess that's a 'core.'

If Sheffield does want a franchise at some point then it needs to look long term and aim to plant deep roots (ie, more than one grassroots club!) or it's doomed to fail.

The two "mediocre soccer clubs" have loyal and fanatical support and, although the people of Sheffield will support other minority sports such as ice hockey in reasonable numbers, rugby league (or more specifically the Eagles) needs to take off the fur coat and put on some knickers.

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