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Kevin Sinfield

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I actually think Thurston could. More often than not the England / GB forwards have been more than able to match the Roos & Kiwi's and build a platform for the backs but its our lack of skill in the backs (particularly the halves) that prevented us from winning games.

What he said...

If we were playing Australia this week, who would anyone here pick at 6 and 7?

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I think it has already been said throughout the topic. My view is he is not the best loose forward, hooker, stand off or scrum half at that level. But whichever position you play him in he will play it exactly as it should be played and his decision making will be spot on. A fine ambassador for this great game.

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I actually think Thurston could. More often than not the England / GB forwards have been more than able to match the Roos & Kiwi's and build a platform for the backs but its our lack of skill in the backs (particularly the halves) that prevented us from winning games.

I certainly think he would do better than our current options, but would be nowhere near as effective as he is for the 'Roos.

The forwards doing ok is one thing, but the running options out wide that the Aussie have give their halves more space and quality options.

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Sinfield is not liked because he plays for Leeds.

That's just plain wrong. Few people in contemporary Rugby League are respected across the board as Sinfield is in my experience.

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That's just plain wrong. Few people in contemporary Rugby League are respected across the board as Sinfield is in my experience.

By players and people connected to clubs maybe,rival fans on the other hand.........

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By players and people connected to clubs maybe,rival fans on the other hand.........

Nope, I include rival fans in that. Can't say I've ever come across any fan who hasn't given Kev his due and I talk to a lot of people who don't exactly love Leeds.

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Nope, I include rival fans in that. Can't say I've ever come across any fan who hasn't given Kev his due and I talk to a lot of people who don't exactly love Leeds.

Well I have read quite a few posts to the contrary on here from time to time.Its the Leeds factor

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Yes, yes everyone hates you. It must be awful

If anything, the criticism of Sinfield has been for when he hasn't been playing for Leeds! One chip on the shoulder too far IMO...

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Is he a greater Loose Forward/Captain than either Andy Farrell and/or Paul Sculthorpe?

He is a great leader of the 25 man squad, he would be my first choice from those mentioned

a magic guy, nice too.

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I agree about Faz - but he carried them due to his individual talent rather than his leadership qualities. In contrast, I think Sinfield whilst an inferior individual player, manages to inspire those around him to performance levels they wouldn't otherwise achieve. All Faz did as a leader was instill fear into those around him that they would let him down, it was more intimidation than inspiration in my view.

Inferior individual? Are you on drugs or something...he controls the game, not just with his verbal guidance but his brilliance with ball in hand.

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only for leeds.......................................... faz did it for gb/england as well

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Sinfield is not liked because he plays for Leeds.As was Lewis Jones

Don't be so bloody soft.

Is Rob Burrow disliked? What about Jamie Peacock? Ryan Hall? I could go on and on.

The reason people don't want Sinfield playing for England is because there are arguably much better players than him in the positions he plays. Some people seem to forget that we have Widdop (a 6) and Burgess (can play 13) in Aus. We also have O'Loughlin as a 13 as well as a number of backrow options depending on SMcM's tactics. We have Brough, who is just as good (if not better) a kicker and nobody else really good enough for a spot at 7. We have James Roby, who is consistently the best 9 in the league year after year.

If you are to play Sinfield, you arguably have to drop someone better than him. On top of that, you have to make him captain to get the most out of his abilities. Other than his leadership, everything else he has can be more than brought to the table. There are also other potential leaders in the team.

So the question is, is he THAT good a leader that someone should be dropped for him?

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His leadership at Leeds is strong because everyone there is used to playing with him, trusting him and are willing to bust a gut for the guy.

No matter who has captained GB/England in recent years, they've looked like a bunch of strangers to each other in most matches.

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At club level- no contest as his record now speaks for itself.

International- said it before. Not fast enough or creative enough for a for 6/7 or big enough for a 13. His best game in England was as a 9! And thats were he would shine in the England side.

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only for leeds.......................................... faz did it for gb/england as well

Faz,as you call him did it for England/gb?no one has since around 1972

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I agree about Faz - but he carried them due to his individual talent rather than his leadership qualities. In contrast, I think Sinfield whilst an inferior individual player, manages to inspire those around him to performance levels they wouldn't otherwise achieve. All Faz did as a leader was instill fear into those around him that they would let him down, it was more intimidation than inspiration in my view.

Inferior?now come on

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Brian McDermott has summed up Sinfield perfectly in his after match press conference.

He said "Kevin probably isn't the best 6 Leeds have ever had, he probably isn't the best 13 that Leeds have ever had, but by a long long way he is the best captain Leeds have ever had".

Nail on head I reckon.

That quote came from Harry Jepson originally, but very correct

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That quote came from Harry Jepson originally, but very correct

I believe Harry Jepson also paid him the biggest compliment possible: "He's so good he could be from Yorkshire"

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i have watched some of the greatest loose forwards ever to play the game, rocky turner, vinty karalius, jonny raper, mick adams, farrell and sculthorpe , sorry but sinfield is decidedly average when compared to these guys.

so true but the game has changed a lot you know and comparisons dont apply . i mean the role of loose forward not longer excists in any meaningful way does it . its like compareing hookers from days gone by with todays hookers or should i say scrumhalves packing down..

to compare sinfield you need to do it in terms of the best organisers you have seen and the best kickers both tactical and goal kicking forget about the name of the position there listed as playing.

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Don't be so bloody soft.

Is Rob Burrow disliked? What about Jamie Peacock? Ryan Hall? I could go on and on.

The reason people don't want Sinfield playing for England is because there are arguably much better players than him in the positions he plays. Some people seem to forget that we have Widdop (a 6) and Burgess (can play 13) in Aus. We also have O'Loughlin as a 13 as well as a number of backrow options depending on SMcM's tactics. We have Brough, who is just as good (if not better) a kicker and nobody else really good enough for a spot at 7. We have James Roby, who is consistently the best 9 in the league year after year.

I agree. Leeds don't seem to have a massive amount of hatred aimed towards them (outside of normal rivalries).

However if they keep winning GF's then I'm sure we can work on it.

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Don't be so bloody soft.

Is Rob Burrow disliked? What about Jamie Peacock? Ryan Hall? I could go on and on.

The reason people don't want Sinfield playing for England is because there are arguably much better players than him in the positions he plays. Some people seem to forget that we have Widdop (a 6) and Burgess (can play 13) in Aus. We also have O'Loughlin as a 13 as well as a number of backrow options depending on SMcM's tactics. We have Brough, who is just as good (if not better) a kicker and nobody else really good enough for a spot at 7. We have James Roby, who is consistently the best 9 in the league year after year.

If you are to play Sinfield, you arguably have to drop someone better than him. On top of that, you have to make him captain to get the most out of his abilities. Other than his leadership, everything else he has can be more than brought to the table. There are also other potential leaders in the team.

So the question is, is he THAT good a leader that someone should be dropped for him?

Not a chance Brough is a better kicker than Sinfield

I've seen Brough control a few games, Sinfield has controlled many games.

Thats my opinion though.

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We have Brough, who is just as good (if not better) a kicker and nobody else really good enough for a spot at 7.

Brough is a fine player but not worthy of cleaning Sinfields boots - ok on his day but nowhere near the consistency of KS

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Kevin Sinfield reminds me of Braith Anasta, but with a good kicking game. His leadership skills are off the chart though.

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His best game in England was as a 9!

Yes it was

Truly a Ringo Starr moment

What does that say about our international set up?

Sinny has been overlooked for many international occasions and when he has been picked its been in some dreadful squads and disorganized teams, poorly coached and half heartedly led

Give him the armband and a say in who plays, Englands record in teh future may look a lot different to how its been

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Yes it was

Truly a Ringo Starr moment

What does that say about our international set up?

Sinny has been overlooked for many international occasions and when he has been picked its been in some dreadful squads and disorganized teams, poorly coached and half heartedly led

Give him the armband and a say in who plays, Englands record in teh future may look a lot different to how its been

The internationals this year are the perfect opportunity to give him a shot at captaincy

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