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Kevin Sinfield

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Greatest player? No - there are numerous players of greater talent that have graced SL and even a few with more trophy laden careers, including his team mate Peacock.

Greatest captain / leader in SL - undoubtedly in my view.

And that's exactly the point that many miss when judging him internationally. They judge him as a player in a position not as a leader. I guess that's why MoS has never come his way.

The same argument could be said for Deacon when GB decided on others.

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Greatest player? No - there are numerous players of greater talent that have graced SL and even a few with more trophy laden careers, including his team mate Peacock.

Greatest captain / leader in SL - undoubtedly in my view.

And that's exactly the point that many miss when judging him internationally. They judge him as a player in a position not as a leader. I guess that's why MoS has never come his way.

The same argument could be said for Deacon when GB decided on others.

yes I agree with both of you,but sometimes because he play's for Leeds,it reminds me of the bias that was hurled at Lewis Jones who was the most visionary skilful player that has played for Leeds or the sport,but somehow because he played for Leeds ther derided him.There is a potential motion at LCC to make Sinfield a freeman of the city and rightly so

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Is he a greater Loose Forward/Captain than either Andy Farrell and/or Paul Sculthorpe?

as a player or a leader ?

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Sinfield is a Super League legend, he is irrelevant in the international game however.

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Sinfield is a Super League legend, he is irrelevant in the international game however.

agreed but I did say " greatest SL player " - so we're talking of the time post 1998

thinking along the lines of SL consistency, longevity and general RL ability - Peacock and others are up there of course ( and it pains me to say it as a Saints fan) but I would put Sinfield ahead of the rest by a mile because of his pivotal ability to change & influence games - the man is a legend

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paul wellens, great leader and a great role model..........................

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Sinfield is Leeds, Leeds are champions, best captain in the super league era.

Completely different player to faz and scully - I rate scully as the best of the three in my honest bias opinion.

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paul wellens, great leader and a great role model..........................

Wellens has fully achieved his potential but his behaviour on the pitch isn't what you'd expect of a role model. He's in the ref's face after every try.

Sinfield's stock is high at the moment, wouldn't be surprised if he's given the England arm band. Sure Martyn Sadler will be delighted to see Steve McNamara following his advice.

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Sinfield is undoubtedly a great player, especially with the boot, he is also a great captain, a superb motivator of those around him and a very tactically astute leader.

He does lack that x factor that makes a player special, maybe as kicking in RL isn't considered that much of a part of the game then compared to great players who drive your team forward on the ground as opposed to by kicking the ball in the air he gets overlooked.

Sinny will go down as an all time great for Leeds but will possibly fall short as an all time great for the game.

As for comparing him to Faz and Scully, forget it, both were far more talented.

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Agree up to a point padge. All were different types of player.

The best leader of men on a rugby field I have ever seen.

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Thought we were talking captain raththan player?

If we are talking greatest player then that is a whole new ball game

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Greatest ever Grand Final player might be an apt description.

Or, greatest Finals?Playoff player.

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Thought we were talking captain raththan player?

If we are talking greatest player then that is a whole new ball game

talking about the best player in the Super League era

KS seems to have been consistenly pivotal in so much of Leeds' success that's why I put him at the top of the list - there are better players in certain positions of course but as an all round inspirational leader and influence on his team I can't think of many more consistent players throughout the SL years

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I only watched the game on TV but it seems to me that he does little things that turn games, like following up after his bomb to be in the right place for the pass for the first try. On another occasion there was a loose ball in his own 22 area where the other Leeds defenders were unsure of the exact whereabouts of the ball and a Warrington try was a possibility when he swept in from the centre of the park and took command of the ball and got heavily clattered for his pains. A small thing but the game could have turned if he didn't do that. I am not a great believer in goalkicking but his deadly, unflapable accuracy helped to turn the screw on Warrington.

In the Wigan game, as Captain, I am sure he was following the coach's game plan, but he was the on field architect of that and the kicking game, both bombs, touch kicking and drop and place kicking worked a treat in the conditions in keeping Wigan pinned in their own end and keeping the scoreboard ticking along. Not pretty but effective and, to me, a further illustration of his value to the team. He will never be a player of individual brilliance like say, Tomkins, but his tactical skills, his kicking abilities and his selfless courage mark him as a rare player for his team and an intrinsic part of their superb successes over the last few years.

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Its OK doing things at SL level where he has excelled, but wonder why he has never done much on the International stage? He is very talented especially with his kicking and motivational skills etc. Is it that Sinfield plays much better by bossing the show rather than following somebodyelse who is captain? Is it that the GB Coaches have not used him correctly? There is a vast difference between the slower and poorer SL and then stepping up to play International level, but others like Hall, Roby, Graham have managed it despite having a less influential role at SL level than Sinfield has. There must be something why such a standout in SL has failed to make any impact at all on the international stage.

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Its OK doing things at SL level where he has excelled, but wonder why he has never done much on the International stage? He is very talented especially with his kicking and motivational skills etc. Is it that Sinfield plays much better by bossing the show rather than following somebodyelse who is captain? Is it that the GB Coaches have not used him correctly? There is a vast difference between the slower and poorer SL and then stepping up to play International level, but others like Hall, Roby, Graham have managed it despite having a less influential role at SL level than Sinfield has. There must be something why such a standout in SL has failed to make any impact at all on the international stage.

Some guys just fit into a certain system and make the most of that. KS has made a career based on his strengths.

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I have repeated this so often that it has become dreary but, Kevin Sinfield is a tremendous individual on the rugby field in the SUPER LEAGUE and within the Leeds team and its set-up.

However he does not convey this presence when engaging against the best from the Southern Hemisphere, in my opinion the reason for this is that his is not the style of play that worries those players from down under, as they play in a different manner defensively, are more often than not better organised in that manner and quicker to amend patterns and annul oppositions. That comment is also mainly directed at those from OZ, when in their national sides attire.

I would love to witness and see Sinfield do the same to those teams in an England shirt and would praise him immensley should he accomplish that, but he is to some extent stereotyped and the S/H international sides find his style of operating relatively easy to combat. Not so in S/L, for within that sphere he is certainly supreme amongst all his fellow pro's.

I would have to go for him over Farrell as a leader but not when not in an individual context on the field, such as scoring tries when his side is under the cosh, this upon a regular basis.

Sculthorpe was simply a better all round individual with strength and vigour over and above that of Sinfield, whether he also was a better captain of his side, even in the S/L is a more debatable issue, but outside of S/L and onto the rep stage, then Both Sculthorpe and Farrell were the more inspirational and effective in their leadership roles.

PS Not being churlish but, as good as Sinfield was and may I add : I can find nothing to deny KS the MOM award either; for me the most influential player for Leeds, who threatened to causer the most damage to Warrington, was Rob Burrow, just an opinion but it is mine.

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Agree up to a point padge. All were different types of player.

The best leader of men on a rugby field I have ever seen.

He is undoubtedly a great leader of his team, he also has a great team to lead.

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Best stand off? Not a chance.

Best loose forward? Not a chance.

Best kicker? Hard to argue against.

Best captain? Most likely, yes.

So we have a dilemma when it comes to England selection. He's not the best in a certain position, but his kicking, organising and captaincy abilities are all very important attributes that other players may not be able to bring to the table. So we are usually left in a position where we have to effectively drop someone for him, last year that being Widdop.

To me, if you pick Sinfield for England, he HAS to be captain, otherwise he's not actually bringing anything that some other player could bring.

Then you have to weigh up his position on the pitch against his rivals for the positions. Stand off - Widdop. Loose - O'Loughlin. I reckon Widdop is more important to the team than O'Loughlin at present.

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Who has been great at international level?Leeds many years ago had another great charismatic player,and he too used to get slagged down

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Best stand off? Not a chance.

Best loose forward? Not a chance.

Best kicker? Hard to argue against.

Best captain? Most likely, yes.

So we have a dilemma when it comes to England selection. He's not the best in a certain position, but his kicking, organising and captaincy abilities are all very important attributes that other players may not be able to bring to the table. So we are usually left in a position where we have to effectively drop someone for him, last year that being Widdop.

To me, if you pick Sinfield for England, he HAS to be captain, otherwise he's not actually bringing anything that some other player could bring.

Then you have to weigh up his position on the pitch against his rivals for the positions. Stand off - Widdop. Loose - O'Loughlin. I reckon Widdop is more important to the team than O'Loughlin at present.

why not play him at hooker which is were he looked most effective playing for england . in reality theres nothing to stop him playing at standoff and widdop playing loose forward with oloughlin in the 2nd row as all positions are interchangable these days with the possible exception of wingers

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Wellens has fully achieved his potential but his behaviour on the pitch isn't what you'd expect of a role model. He's in the ref's face after every try.

Sinfield's stock is high at the moment, wouldn't be surprised if he's given the England arm band. Sure Martyn Sadler will be delighted to see Steve McNamara following his advice.

The comment about Wellens being in the ref's face in a thread on Sinfield made me laugh out loud.

I think he is far more like Edwards than the other players originally mentioned, as he has made the most of every ounce of his talent, through determination, drive and thinking about the game. Both will end their careers with drawer fulls of medals. The only exceptional aspect of his game is his kicking and in October simply have tenacious defence and the best kicking game in the business can take you a long long way. In that sense he is lucky to play in the "summer" era and play so much of his crunch time rugby in deteriorating conditions and weather.

I suspect he will be a fantastic coach.

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How vital Sinfield is to Leeds will be apparent when he retires if they haven't found a replacement, and they haven't yet.

Stevie Ward.That is all.

If we're talking about a replacement captain for Leeds, I'll be seriously disappointed if Ian Kirke wasn't appointed.

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If we're talking about a replacement captain for Leeds, I'll be seriously disappointed if Ian Kirke wasn't appointed.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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If we're talking about a replacement captain for Leeds, I'll be seriously disappointed if Ian Kirke wasn't appointed.

interesting .

would love to see ryan bailey as captain myself.

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