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Kevin Sinfield

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I agree. Leeds don't seem to have a massive amount of hatred aimed towards them (outside of normal rivalries).

However if they keep winning GF's then I'm sure we can work on it.

I agree. Leeds don't seem to have a massive amount of hatred aimed towards them (outside of normal rivalries).

However if they keep winning GF's then I'm sure we can work on it.

That bitofaboogie mush can count for quite a bit,but thats unnatural.have you heard the song"we all hate Leeds"?sung when leeds arn't even playing

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The internationals this year are the perfect opportunity to give him a shot at captaincy

Surely Sinfield is the only real candidate for the captaincy. Quite how the team is set up to accommodate his strengths is another matter.

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That bitofaboogie mush can count for quite a bit,but thats unnatural.have you heard the song"we all hate Leeds"?sung when leeds arn't even playing

nope. Not outside of normal rivalries ie. Bulls fans.

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Surely Sinfield is the only real candidate for the captaincy. Quite how the team is set up to accommodate his strengths is another matter.

Well I'm going to get shot here - are you ready?

Sinfield at 7 and make him captain - we have no one better in the super league who is English, who can control a game and get the best out of his team.

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Well I'm going to get shot here - are you ready?

Sinfield at 7 and make him captain - we have no one better in the super league who is English, who can control a game and get the best out of his team.

Too slow to be 7,either have him at 6 or at 9.Give him a Cameron Smith type role and he would excel.

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Too slow to be 7,either have him at 6 or at 9.Give him a Cameron Smith type role and he would excel.

Well, we need a kicking game and he has the best one. I would ask him where he should play and who what would be the best combinations around him, as:

A) he seems clever and honest; and

B) he knows more about the game than the England coach.

Fwiw, the key question is how to spread our thin talent at 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13 so that we have a kicking game (Sinfield), runners (Sam plus?) and organisers (Widdop?), while finding a way to incorporate Roby. A big disappointment for mine this year has been the lack of development of new English halves. Maybe Powell and O'Brien will be part of the answer in years to come...

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1. Sam Tomkins

6. Widdop

7. ?

9. Sinfield (Roby on the bench)

13. Sam Burgess

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Too slow to be 7,either have him at 6 or at 9.Give him a Cameron Smith type role and he would excel.

maybe to slow, but very clever, great organiser and quick thinking.

Sam and Gareth as the runners, Roby scooting from dummy half and lockers at 13 I'd be very happy..... its a far better option than chase, brough, lomax or myler @ 7

we need a player with a match winning kicking game, no one else comes close "at present"

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Isn't Burgess injured so it will be Loughlin at 13?

On another tack - have Sinfield and Magiure ever played 6 and 7 internationally at the same time? Is it worth considering?

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Benching Roby for Sinfield would be a ridiculous idea. Roby is one of our best players. He HAS to be on the pitch as much as possible. He's a freak.

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On another tack - have Sinfield and Magiure ever played 6 and 7 internationally at the same time? Is it worth considering?

Unfortunately McGuire is being rested

Benching Roby for Sinfield would be a ridiculous idea. Roby is one of our best players. He HAS to be on the pitch as much as possible. He's a freak.

Particularly if Sinfield is captain, then you're spending half the game without your captain and the other half without your best player

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Sinfield was excellent on Saturday and is a great leader for Leeds.

Lets not go overboard and make him scrumhalf, captain, coach and team manager.

These comments werent happening after the Challenge Cup Final or a whole heap of regular games.

Id have him in as i dont think hes ever been as bad for GB as people state, but Saturday doesnt suddenly change my view of him.

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Given the need to have Roby in the side, could you not play Burrow and Sinfield in the halves?

As for the outside backs, I would be controversial and put Hardaker at full back ahead of Tomkins (who still struggles with the high ball, disappointing to see), and shift Souper Sam to the wing, playing outside Reed (who I know is injured this Autumn):

Hardaker

Tomkins

Reed (Ratchford for Autumn 12 series)

Ablett

Hall

Sinfield ©

Burrow

I would have Widdop in the squad to cover.

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Given the need to have Roby in the side, could you not play Burrow and Sinfield in the halves?

As for the outside backs, I would be controversial and put Hardaker at full back ahead of Tomkins (who still struggles with the high ball, disappointing to see), and shift Souper Sam to the wing, playing outside Reed (who I know is injured this Autumn):

Hardaker

Tomkins

Reed (Ratchford for Autumn 12 series)

Ablett

Hall

Sinfield ©

Burrow

I would have Widdop in the squad to cover.

Have Tomkins at FB and Hardaker on the wing,with Hardaker going to FB when defending.

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Leeds only had 2 imports playing on Saturday, just put the Leeds team out there!

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Very good SL player but ###### on the International stage and doesnt have the fear or respect to frighten the Aussies that Scully or Faz had. I would put Faz and Scully infront of Sinfield by some distance

You only have to look at his achievments, he would be my first choice, Faz a close second.

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Well, we need a kicking game and he has the best one. I would ask him where he should play and who what would be the best combinations around him, as:

A) he seems clever and honest; and

B) he knows more about the game than the England coach.

Fwiw, the key question is how to spread our thin talent at 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13 so that we have a kicking game (Sinfield), runners (Sam plus?) and organisers (Widdop?), while finding a way to incorporate Roby.

Brilliant post

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Have Tomkins at FB and Hardaker on the wing,with Hardaker going to FB when defending.

OK so for Autumn series:

Tomkins

Hardaker

Ratchford

Ablett

Hall

Sinfield ©

Burrow

with a view to switch Reed for Ratchford in 2013. And Roger as water carrier, at the most.

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Kevin Sinfield reminds me of Braith Anasta, but with a good kicking game. His leadership skills are off the chart though.

wouldn't you compare him more with Terry Campese ?

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He`s the kind of player teammates and coaches love, a 7 out of 10 player every game. He never lets a team down, but isnt a flash match winner the majority of times.

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OK so for Autumn series:

Tomkins

Hardaker

Ratchford

Ablett

Hall

Sinfield ©

Burrow

with a view to switch Reed for Ratchford in 2013. And Roger as water carrier, at the most.

Ablett definitely not, hes no where near good enough for internation level especially at centre. I don't see what warrants Hardaker over Charnley or Briscoe either, although I wouldn't be disappointed to see him selected. Widdop has to start at 6, he's got a brilliant all round game and like Sinfield turned it on in his grand final, although his was a much higher standard.

I just can't think where Sinfield can play at international level, he has flaws wherever he plays.

13 - Not big enough we'll basically be a forward light.

9 - Will he make enough yards when he scoots/can he organise the backline from hooker?

7 - Too slow and not an attacking threat.

He's a great leader yes and should be regarded as one of the best captains of the SL era if not the best. But unfortunately being a good organiser and leader isn't good enough to be good at international level and that's where he falls short and it pains me to say it.

Come the 2013 WC he'll be even slower than he is now and will mean he'll get exposed even more, so I think we have to find an alternative to Sinfield this series as fair enough Sinfield will likely look good against Wales and France but against the Aussies and Kiwis it will be a whole different story.

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The internationals this year are the perfect opportunity to give him a shot at captaincy

Thats a very stupid statement to make really, the quality of the opposition he (or for that matter, anyone who was captain) would prove nothing as to whether he/they would be a great captain, when pitted and leading against the best opposition in the game.

It cannot be argued with that he proves himself time and again with Leeds, but he fails dismally time and again at rep level also. So what does that prove? That he can contend with the S/L easily; yet struggles with the top rep level of the game, or what?

It is a conundrum, but the answer surely has been proven in that Sinfield, as good as he seems to be in S/L, is not quite good enough in the very pinnicles of the game, sad, even sorry but I believe that to be so.

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It cannot be argued with that he proves himself time and again with Leeds, but he fails dismally time and again at rep level also. So what does that prove? That he can contend with the S/L easily; yet struggles with the top rep level of the game, or what?

This is becoming a bit of an urban myth. Sinfield has been no worse than any of our half backs over the past decade. He was man of the match against the Kiwis at the KC last season and had a great game at Wembley vs the Kangaroos too. The majority of England's tries in last year's 4N came through him.

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