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do you think we will still have full time professional rugby league in this country in 5 years time?

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Not sure we can sustain it now OR. Too many clubs spending too much. Too few players of sufficient quality to go round. Clubs like northern going ar se uppards by paying our far too much.

Wwould a return to semi pro really be such a bad thing? How many players would we lose to other sports?

Dunno. But if the IncreasIng number of clubs like northern continue to experience serious difficulties I can't see how returning to semi pro can be avoided.

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I think the master plan was to get rid of the semi pro sides but to the credit of the Championship clubs most have just about survived. I seem to remember last year talk of increasing the salary cap at SL level that seems to have died a death. Looking at the crowds to watch the semi finals of the play offs I think we can sadly say the game is on its last legs.

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do you think we will still have full time professional rugby league in this country in 5 years time?

Yes, of course we will.

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do you think we will still have full time professional rugby league in this country in 5 years time?

Yes. Absolutely.

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Not sure we can sustain it now OR. Too many clubs spending too much. Too few players of sufficient quality to go round. Clubs like northern going ar se uppards by paying our far too much.

Wwould a return to semi pro really be such a bad thing? How many players would we lose to other sports?

Dunno. But if the IncreasIng number of clubs like northern continue to experience serious difficulties I can't see how returning to semi pro can be avoided.

I suggested this a few weeks ago and got shot down in flames by someone on here.

I agree that it is unsustainable to continue down the pro route. Even at the end of a career a pro player has to look to another sourse of income after RL. There is just not enough money in it.

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I agree that it is unsustainable to continue down the pro route. Even at the end of a career a pro player has to look to another sourse of income after RL. There is just not enough money in it.

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If I finished a job at 30, I wouldn't be expecting to retire. Players need to do what other folk do and get another job.

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It would be interesting to know what the players think! Those on the higher salaries will probably love it, but i'm not too sure about those at the bottom of the income scale? I suspect they want to play at the highest level but would prefer to have a job and play part-time? They may also wish to develop a career, but their contract would probably prevent this? But then again, playing for Rovers can be restrictive to certain careers, as in the case of Danny Grimshaw.

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Not taking into account the leagues below SL, we hear very little about the salaries and bonuses earned by the SL performers, unlike the soccer fraternity who splash their multi million pound wages across the media.

Let us take into account, the fact that most of these SL lads will earn more in their "short" playing careers than the normal working man will earn in his working span.

The same approach can be applied to the fact that players are most likely being paid far too much in the top flight which is obviously causing financial problems in some cases.

We at FEV are satisfied with the rugby being produced, this, on the whole, being on a part time basis.

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If I finished a job at 30, I wouldn't be expecting to retire. Players need to do what other folk do and get another job.

After all the hammer they get playing? Footballers in the 'elite' don't need to work after their careers have ended.

I thought that was the idea of being pro. If a SL player has to start to build a career after RL when he is 30+, he has wasted 16 years playing rugby and may as well of played at championship level.

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Not taking into account the leagues below SL, we hear very little about the salaries and bonuses earned by the SL performers, unlike the soccer fraternity who splash their multi million pound wages across the media.

Let us take into account, the fact that most of these SL lads will earn more in their "short" playing careers than the normal working man will earn in his working span.

Do you really think so. 60 - 70 k a year for the avarage SL player I would have thought a liberal estimate. it's hardly the big time.

The same approach can be applied to the fact that players are most likely being paid far too much in the top flight which is obviously causing financial problems in some cases.

We at FEV are satisfied with the rugby being produced, this, on the whole, being on a part time basis.

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After all the hammer they get playing? Footballers in the 'elite' don't need to work after their careers have ended.

I thought that was the idea of being pro. If a SL player has to start to build a career after RL when he is 30+, he has wasted 16 years playing rugby and may as well of played at championship level.

In the fifties and early sixties, I worked underground alongside most of the Wakefield team of that time. We also had one or two of the Huddersfield team. Some of them finished up as successful business men with their own companies and shops. Some of them blew it in. This was in the days of part time rugby.Not a game for the purist, but very entertaining and worth watching.

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thing is Bob, if we went part time, fitness levels would drop. how would we maintain our competetiveness against the full time aussies and kiwis.

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thing is Bob, if we went part time, fitness levels would drop. how would we maintain our competetiveness against the full time aussies and kiwis.

we managed to be more than competative this year against the worst and best off SL. You figure which one was which.

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After all the hammer they get playing? Footballers in the 'elite' don't need to work after their careers have ended.

I thought that was the idea of being pro. If a SL player has to start to build a career after RL when he is 30+, he has wasted 16 years playing rugby and may as well of played at championship level.

They're not soccer players. There's not enough money in the game to support them for the rest of their lives. Lots of people change careers during their lives.

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we managed to be more than competative this year against the worst and best off SL. You figure which one was which.

my post was tongue in cheek, should have had a :rolleyes:

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thing is Bob, if we went part time, fitness levels would drop. how would we maintain our competetiveness against the full time aussies and kiwis.

I think that taking into account the fitness regime that we have at Fev, surely other clubs could reach or even surpass this level. The one outstanding feature of that era was the fact that most teams played in front of capacity crowds, a situation which is very, very rare today, even taking into account so called improved standards on the field, full time refs and state of the art stadiums. 15 thou was a regular feature at Belle Vue.

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I think that taking into account the fitness regime that we have at Fev, surely other clubs could reach or even surpass this level. The one outstanding feature of that era was the fact that most teams played in front of capacity crowds, a situation which is very, very rare today, even taking into account so called improved standards on the field, full time refs and state of the art stadiums. 15 thou was a regular feature at Belle Vue.

Different times. A lot more choice for your leisure time these days.

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Some of the views in this thread are so backwards its frightening.

I'm just going to pretend you are all being really sarcastic instead.

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there is no such thing as full time professionalism in any sport. Even David Beckham has business interests-advertising bannickers and marketing his own brand of perfume and the rest.

All pro sports players have outside money making interests.

The issue surrounds how much elite players can be sustainably paid. That's what the salary cap is for. The salary cap gets breached, and evaded, but it is better than what existed before. Rovers and clubs' 'full time' players, are gererally afforded by employing them as part of their community operation-projects which aren't funded by the club.

Professional Rugby Players quite rightly want to maximise their earnings whilst they can.

In the UK they can;

take their abilities as far as they will go in the UK game

play in France

play pro rugby union

play in Australia.

If the earnings of elite players drop below a certain level, then who can blame them if they exdamine their options?

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Some of the views in this thread are so backwards its frightening.

I'm just going to pretend you are all being really sarcastic instead.

What are the alternatives,Gav?. Do we stumble along, blindly accepting the "backwards" rulings of the RL, clubs spending way beyond their capacity, all of which, are, IMO bringing a slow but sure demise of the game that we have all known and loved The game is slowly and surely being run into the ground, especially the lower divisions.

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All pro sports players have outside money making interests. that's a big assumption, and i don't believe it.

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All pro sports players have outside money making interests. that's a big assumption, and i don't believe it.

Agreed.

Nevertheless, there are only so many places within the game for retired players and players would be fools if they did not plan for their retirement (from the game). One bad tackle and it could happen tomorrow,

Well, if you were playing for Scotland or Ireland, that is. :happy:

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Agreed.

Nevertheless, there are only so many places within the game for retired players and players would be fools if they did not plan for their retirement (from the game). One bad tackle and it could happen tomorrow,

Well, if you were playing for Scotland or Ireland, that is. :happy:

does time spent in william hills count.

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