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Rochdale's new coach

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So Rochdale's new head coach is Saints U20's coach Ian Talbot and yes you've guessed it Saints & Rochdale are entering into one of these lovely new partnership arrangements.

Their gonna struggle with the usual platitudes with this one. 'retain our independence, our coach picks the team etc.....

http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/2378

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sad day for hornets.....they are rochdale saints now

Nope they'll be the St.Helens Haven Hornets Reserve Team, Lancashire Branch, which will nicely compliment the St.Helens Haven Hornets, Reserve Team Cubria Branch !!!

It appears that Saints have gone into a full partnership agreement with Hornets sharing players, coaches and facilities, and a lesser agreement with Whitehaven more along the lines of the current set-up of dual-registration of players.

Time will tell whether it benefits any or non of the parties and whether it strengthens the game or destroys the championship clubs completely.

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Rochdale will be a much stronger club than they have been in recent years thanks to this partnership. Whats the problem?

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they are'nt a club anymore...they are a branch in the st helens system......

Not they're not, they're still a club. If they get stronger they can easily call the deal off and go it alone again.

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they are'nt a club anymore...they are a branch in the st helens system......

Hornets will have up to 5 dual reg./loan players from Saints. Hornets and coach Talbot will have to find the rest of the squad.

They may start looking in the Rochdale area - there are at least 5 local juniors currently involved in the Wigan set-up so the talent is there.

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saints dual with rochdale and whitehaven. imagine the travelling and expenses required to go there a couple of times a week and vice versa, the money needs to come from somewhere? hopefully not the individual players expenses, wont be worth playing if thats the case. theyre on peanuts as it is.

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Rochdale will be a much stronger club than they have been in recent years thanks to this partnership. Whats the problem?

Thats an opinion that strikes me as requiring a rather large leap of faith even after you've chosen the extremely limited and convenient timeframe of 'recent years' to measure against.

Whats your opinion of the effect upon York's season of having a lack of continuity in key positions? Do you not think this deal increases the chances of Rochdale having to deal such a lack of continuity?

The statements give the impression that Talbot will remain an employee of St Helens, assuming that is the case what is his primary responsibility, the development and match fitness of sts fringe players or putting the strongest possible Rochdale team out on any given day? For much of the time they will be compatible goals but there will be occasions when they compete.

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Not they're not, they're still a club. If they get stronger they can easily call the deal off and go it alone again.

call off the deal and st helens take their coaches back,players they've "loaned" and any of the talent they uncover in rochdale...

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Thats an opinion that strikes me as requiring a rather large leap of faith even after you've chosen the extremely limited and convenient timeframe of 'recent years' to measure against.

Whats your opinion of the effect upon York's season of having a lack of continuity in key positions? Do you not think this deal increases the chances of Rochdale having to deal such a lack of continuity?

The statements give the impression that Talbot will remain an employee of St Helens, assuming that is the case what is his primary responsibility, the development and match fitness of sts fringe players or putting the strongest possible Rochdale team out on any given day? For much of the time they will be compatible goals but there will be occasions when they compete.

Limited and Convenient? Why is that? Do you think Rochdale were managing just fine as they were? I certainly don't. They failed to finish in the top 4 of the lowest professional division last year for a reason.

Talbot's job as Head Coach of Rochdale will be to build a squad of around 25 players that are capable of winning Championship 1, with the luxury of using up to 5 players from a very strong SuperLeague academy system.

York had awful luck with dual-registered players last season, because they were using the system all wrong. I'm more than happy with this - much more stable - system though.

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Not they're not, they're still a club. If they get stronger they can easily call the deal off and go it alone again.

In theory, the Queen can dissolve parliament and rule the country herself. Going it alone after being dependent on St Helens for players and coaches and adding these expenses back on their budget will be very difficult. Bramley never recovered after they left the feeder arrangement they had with Leeds.

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call off the deal and st helens take their coaches back,players they've "loaned" and any of the talent they uncover in rochdale...

Well Rochdale are hardly doing a fantastic job uncovering it themselves are they?

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Limited and Convenient? Why is that? Do you think Rochdale were managing just fine as they were? I certainly don't. They failed to finish in the top 4 of the lowest professional division last year for a reason.

Talbot's job as Head Coach of Rochdale will be to build a squad of around 25 players that are capable of winning Championship 1, with the luxury of using up to 5 players from a very strong SuperLeague academy system.

York had awful luck with dual-registered players last season, because they were using the system all wrong. I'm more than happy with this - much more stable - system though.

do u think you're going to get the same 5 players every week?

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do u think you're going to get the same 5 players every week?

5 from a pool of 8 yes, and they will have to fight to get into the 17 like anybody else.

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Well Rochdale are hardly doing a fantastic job uncovering it themselves are they?

when i said rochdale i really meant oldham obviously lol

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if rochdale move up to championship level, ie promoted and whitehaven stay in that division, will there be a clash of interests. also when reading the article regarding the 'mergers' it states that theres a clear path way to the top, ie championship1-championship-superleague. if rochdale progress and move up then the pathway is prevented.

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5 from a pool of 8 yes, and they will have to fight to get into the 17 like anybody else.

them 5 st helens players will be the first names on the rochdale team sheet lol

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when i said rochdale i really meant oldham obviously lol

At the end of the day mate SuperLeague talent will end up in SuperLeague, weather Saints pick it up themselves or Oldham discover them first.

Tom Lineham came right through York's scholarship before moving to Hull without York seeing a penny (other than the obligatory friendly of course).

The way I see it, is that both Championship divisions are going to see an influx of SuperLeague quality kids next year, plus loads more kids that have come through the SuperLeague environment, and both divisions will be much stronger for it.

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them 5 st helens players will be the first names on the rochdale team sheet lol

If they are better than Rochdale's players yes. Nothing wrong with that.

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At the end of the day mate SuperLeague talent will end up in SuperLeague, weather Saints pick it up themselves or Oldham discover them first.

Tom Lineham came right through York's scholarship before moving to Hull without York seeing a penny (other than the obligatory friendly of course).

The way I see it, is that both Championship divisions are going to see an influx of SuperLeague quality kids next year, plus loads more kids that have come through the SuperLeague environment, and both divisions will be much stronger for it.

so if theres a large increase in players/juniors from super league clubs playing in the championships then where does the current championship/championship 1 players play. surely therell be a surpluss.

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so if theres a large increase in players/juniors from super league clubs playing in the championships then where does the current championship/championship 1 players play. surely therell be a surpluss.

Well there are 3 new clubs to fill next season, and the ones that aren't good enough after that will probably go to the National Conference Leagues.

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Limited and Convenient? Why is that? Do you think Rochdale were managing just fine as they were? I certainly don't. They failed to finish in the top 4 of the lowest professional division last year for a reason.

Talbot's job as Head Coach of Rochdale will be to build a squad of around 25 players that are capable of winning Championship 1, with the luxury of using up to 5 players from a very strong SuperLeague academy system.

York had awful luck with dual-registered players last season, because they were using the system all wrong. I'm more than happy with this - much more stable - system though.

Its limited because it looks at a relatively short period of time, its convenient because it suits your position to only compare with a period of time when Rochdale been poor. Its sets the bar far too low, imho. If we are talking about making the club stronger lets not kid ourselves that the best a non twinned Rochdale can do is represented by the last couple of years.

If you know as fact that his only responsibility is to Rochdale, fine. If its an assumption its a pretty big one.

Im interested that you think this twinning system is going more stable in terms of players. My understanding is that instead of registering upto 4 players in advance and choosing from them clubs will now choose 5 but from a potentially unlimited pool of dr'd players. It sounds to me to have the potential to be far less stable, particularly if the head coach retains some responsibility to the SL club for the development and fitness of ALL the dr'd players.

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