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I think it easy brought up in a fairly non religious country such as the UK to not understand not just faith, but having the certainty that something is right

It is very difficult not to accept that freedom of choice is always the best option but we do of course have many laws and we have certain things that are clearly taboo.

We would accept paedophiles are wrong. There is no debate it is simple. Murder is wrong again nothing to discuss. It is simply a fact. But if one of the expectations of your life is to do good deeds and actions ie go on the haaj,. give to charity etc then these are facts. To move on a step if you are preparing for the next life then respecting your god is clearly a duty. That god exists to some is ridiculous and flies in the face of science to others it is simply a fact

Therefore that Mohammed must be respected is to many people a fact and it is as difficult to see why someone would disrespect a koran or make cartoons of the prophets. If someone does so and continues to do so then it should be easy to see why people are offended or more.

I am far from saying that we should have strict blasphemy laws but we should understand that the freedom to do what clearly offends millions may not be as basic a right as we take it to be. It is very difficult to be sympathetic to Salman Rushdie and others who know what they were doing.

Don't come back and ask me about the shooting of a 14 year old girl as I still agree there are levels and hardly anyone would suggest the Taliban have failed to understand the teaching they claim to study

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Mike, many people find many things offensive depending on where you live. We have a history of taking the pee and mocking authority. Other countries might not but I only live here.

I understand some people find things like this 'film' offensive but they have to make their point in a peaceful way. Not threaten to get the mob round.

Why is it hard to have sympathy with Rushdie? Personally I think he's a boring knob but he's still entitled to write a book without a death sentence being put on him.

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Rushdie wrote a great book it's Midnight Children but what he was thinking about when he wrote Satanic Verses I cannot imagine. Maybe he thought the publiciity would be good which would rate as one of the all time misjudgements

Only the second book called I think 'Something happened' by Joseph Heller ( catch 22) where nothing happened until 2 pages from the end and anything by Leonard Cohen have been duller reads.

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The book was allegedly boring, yes but surely that's irrelevant. Up to then there had been nothing like we see today so maybe he didn't expect to have his life threatened.

I was present at the Rushdie book burning and it totally changed my views on Islam.

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I could be corrected on the figure but Islam has over a billion followers and probably a few hundred have been involved in burning a book. Probably a lot more were pulped albeit not on the streets of Bradford. When does burning a book cease to be freedom of expression and become terrorism.?

I would imagine Europeans have burnt more korans over the years but I can't hate all of either group.

The difficult decision is do we prevent 'outrages against Islam' and have a more peaceful world. It seems sensible but it opens a real pandora's box and the answer does appear we should not. If we see the people protesting as nothing more than bully's the decision is much easier.

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Mike, the Rushdie book fatwa involved more than a few hundred people. Try hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

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On the plus side, there don't seem to have been many "behead those who insult Islam" type placards. These lot are at odds with free speech and rather unaware of how much offence they cause in claiming that this film constitutes terrorism, but this a huge improvement on past "protests".

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I see no demonstrations against the Syrians or the Taliban shooting an innocent schoolgirl

There have been quite a lot actually, with regard to both cases.

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There have been quite a lot actually, with regard to both cases.

Yes there have been some in Pakistan I think.

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On the plus side, there don't seem to have been many "behead those who insult Islam" type placards. These lot are at odds with free speech and rather unaware of how much offence they cause in claiming that this film constitutes terrorism, but this a huge improvement on past "protests".

That's true but its the threats about what might happen if Google don't shut it down that are the problem

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On the plus side, there don't seem to have been many "behead those who insult Islam" type placards. These lot are at odds with free speech and rather unaware of how much offence they cause in claiming that this film constitutes terrorism, but this a huge improvement on past "protests".

That may be because we've finally kicked some of the ringleaders out of the country! (And not let others in!)

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I would imagine Europeans have burnt more korans over the years but I can't hate all of either group.

Book burning isn't really a European thing; at least not a Western European thing anyway. Nor is flag burning, which is big in the Middle East and some other Muslim countries. We don't really do effigies anymore. Which I think highlights one of the differences between certain Muslims and the rest of the UK. We've moved on. But a certain faction of Muslims are stuck in a different era. They need to move on.

The difficult decision is do we prevent 'outrages against Islam' and have a more peaceful world.

We should never appease. That did us no good just before the second world war. We don't need to hit back with the same language and angst but we should certainly not change our way of life any further than we have done already just to keep the yobs quiet. We wouldn't do it with any other group of people and we shouldn't do it with them either. They need to learn how to peacefully protest and how to accept the will of government while doing so because generally speaking that's what we do in this country.

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On the plus side, there don't seem to have been many "behead those who insult Islam" type placards. These lot are at odds with free speech and rather unaware of how much offence they cause in claiming that this film constitutes terrorism, but this a huge improvement on past "protests".

They are using free speech to protest about free speech.

In that they are no different to the people who stand for election on platforms that would reduce democracy.

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They need to learn how to peacefully protest and how to accept the will of government while doing so because generally speaking that's what we do in this country.

The protest this weekend was peaceful and there has been no suggestion of civil unrest following it.

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The protest this weekend was peaceful and there has been no suggestion of civil unrest following it.

Is this the case though? What about the warning that they won't stop until they get their way?

I don't think we have heard the last of this yet.

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I read this as Muslims Target Goole.

by the look of the place somebody already has.

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They are using free speech to protest about free speech.

And?

I didn't suggest that they had no right to protest.

In that they are no different to the people who stand for election on platforms that would reduce democracy.

Who are these people

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I am far from saying that we should have strict blasphemy laws but we should understand that the freedom to do what clearly offends millions may not be as basic a right as we take it to be.

What exactly are the consequences of someone being offended?

Where is the line of offence drawn in the sand? Is it simply about not being allowed to offend religious people? Why is ok to offend some people but not others?

I just don't get it. If people are offended by words, or cartoons, or comedians, whoever... so what? Nobody gets hurt.

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Who are these people

You'll find extremists on the right, left and religious wings of nutterdom standing on a platform of bringing about their utopia. Often it includes either dispensing altogether with representative democracy or severely restricting it.

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It is however very concerning that the BBC is now reporting that 'people have been arrested' trying to reach Malala Yousafzai - the girl shot in Pakistan by the Taliban who is now in a UK hospital.

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It is however very concerning that the BBC is now reporting that 'people have been arrested' trying to reach Malala Yousafzai - the girl shot in Pakistan by the Taliban who is now in a UK hospital.

Seriously?

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Seriously?

Seriously. Sky are reporting it too.

Overnight arrests. No further details.

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One big difference, I could walk down the road with a banner deriding the royal family or the house of lords, I could draw a cartoon of them or even write a book ripping the shoot out of them..

I doubt very much that you could. Barry Thew has just been jailed for four months for wearing an offensive T shirt about the police.

Most people would agree it was off the scale of offensive but after all it was only a T shirt and therefore more than obvious who was making the comment . Within 30 minutes or so he would have got a bloody nose for his troubles anyway - the police and the courts are now deciding what you can say on your shirt.

A free country we most certainly are not. We have sunk to the level of theocracies and despots everywhere.

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