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Oh Dear! Salford in bother

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L'Angelo is right. Nothing to see here folks, so move along please.

I think you owe me money. no I don't , I won't pay as I think you didn't do a good job. OK, I'll issue a winding up order to get your attention

My previous company were having difficulty gettnig paid from a customer. He bounced several cheques, said he couldn't (wouldn't) pay. A winding up ordre produced the money in short order.

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Oldham have been a laughing stock for a while - to hold up crowds of 500 as a success is a joke. I go to amateur games that regularly get bigger attendances.

It's all relative isn't it. For a club like Oldham to be down to 500 people wanting to pay to watch is sad, for clubs miles from the heartlands to get 500 paying to watch is good.

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Groundhog day in SL shock. Next!

What are you suggesting?

That you interpret a consultants trick to get his money (which he may well NOT deserve) as Salford going into administration?

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It's all relative isn't it. For a club like Oldham to be down to 500 people wanting to pay to watch is sad, for clubs miles from the heartlands to get 500 paying to watch is good.

Is it? So the aspirations of all clubs outside the heartlands should be to reach the heady heights of a club that has been run down to the point where it's facilities, management and playing standards is bettered by three local amateur clubs......why bother?

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I agree with you that Skolars are no joke but the average crowd thing is way off.

Oldham 606 Skolars 547 Rochdale 502 does this help in any way - from Shaum Mac

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Is it? So the aspirations of all clubs outside the heartlands should be to reach the heady heights of a club that has been run down to the point where it's facilities, management and playing standards is bettered by three local amateur clubs......why bother?

In 1999 nobody paid to watch semi pro RL in Gateshead, north wales, south wales or over in north london.

over 2,000 paid to watch in Oldham/Rochdale

So yes success is relative when you get one club rising up passing another club going down.

clubs outside the heartlands don't aspire to crowds in the thousands, any more than I aspire to winning the lottery.

As to "why bother" they all bother to administer, play and watch because they enjoy TGG.

I go to Leeds Akkies where crowds are about 50 and we all sneak in free and it's a great afternoon.

So we bother.

Why do you bother going?

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I ask myself the very same question on a regular basis Parky....and you are right, I get far more enjoyment from watching the amateur game these days and the standard is far better than CH1

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...the amateur game these days and the standard is far better than CH1...

Interesting point. Its ages since I have seen either, so In what way is the standard far better?

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Pretty much every way mate - you can earn more money playing as an amateur, so many local players won't turn pro at Oldham if they can't make at SL/CH level.

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I ask myself the very same question on a regular basis Parky....and you are right, I get far more enjoyment from watching the amateur game these days and the standard is far better than CH1

and that's what it's all about-enjoyment.

Is it? So the aspirations of all clubs outside the heartlands should be to reach the heady heights of a club that has been run down to the point where it's facilities, management and playing standards is bettered by three local amateur clubs......why bother?

I admire Chris hamilton greatly and I see where you have coming from, but surely the 'running down' is over and the rebuilding of the club has started.

the 'old' Oldham were a classice example of the yo yo syndrome, up one year down the next with their stadium rotting away around them.

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I looked this up...

Clowns are stereotypically characterized by colored wigs, stylistic makeup, outlandish costumes, unusually large footwear, and red noses.

I've always meant to look out for you at Leeds Akkies matches. It should be easy now I know what you look like Ange.

I'll be there. I'll be the guy with the exploding dickie bow and the pint of landlord.

I lost touch with the Akkies because of my increasing work load at fev. That's no longer an issue.

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I ask myself the very same question on a regular basis Parky....and you are right, I get far more enjoyment from watching the amateur game these days and the standard is far better than CH1

Well can't comment on the standard but let's take Leeds where I know a bit.

We have a club, Hunslet that have no assets, few fans and spend all they can to just get a team on the pitch.

We also have a club Hunslet Warriors who are amateur, have teams at all levels, and always put on a great show for the fans.

I know which of the two are more fun and better for Rugby League if one had to choose.........

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exactly

look up the word irony in your ladybird dictionary.

Thats the problem you dont do sarcasm or irony very well do you. What are you going to do when P + R is brought back as it is going to be in 2015?

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Oldham 606 Skolars 547 Rochdale 502 does this help in any way - from Shaum Mac

Take out the figures for the game just before the Challenge Cup final. Skolars attract a bumper crowd for one game a year because they get a lot of speccies who are in London for the Cup final. It boosts their average (and good luck to them) but it doesn't show that there are more speccies in North London than in Rochdale.

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I'll be there. I'll be the guy with the exploding dickie bow and the pint of landlord.

I lost touch with the Akkies because of my increasing work load at fev. That's no longer an issue.

No youl be the guy stood by himself

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It's all relative isn't it. For a club like Oldham to be down to 500 people wanting to pay to watch is sad, for clubs miles from the heartlands to get 500 paying to watch is good.

That I agree with.

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and that's what it's all about-enjoyment.

I admire Chris hamilton greatly and I see where you have coming from, but surely the 'running down' is over and the rebuilding of the club has started.

the 'old' Oldham were a classice example of the yo yo syndrome, up one year down the next with their stadium rotting away around them.

When the 'new' club was set up by CH in 1997, over 3000 watched it play Rochdale in a pre-season law cup final game. Crowds are now down to 600 and the club has had numerous winding up orders and a debt last calculated at c£300k. You obviously haven't been to Whitebank which makes Sheddings look like a palace!! So what do you admire about Chris Hamilton so much?

As you are aware, the 'old' club had been in the top flight for a number of seasons prior to going bust. However, I would give my right arm to be back as a 'yo, yo' side of 20-30 years ago....and so would about 3000-4000 others I suspect!

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When the 'new' club was set up by CH in 1997, over 3000 watched it play Rochdale in a pre-season law cup final game. Crowds are now down to 600 and the club has had numerous winding up orders and a debt last calculated at c£300k. You obviously haven't been to Whitebank which makes Sheddings look like a palace!! So what do you admire about Chris Hamilton so much?

As you are aware, the 'old' club had been in the top flight for a number of seasons prior to going bust. However, I would give my right arm to be back as a 'yo, yo' side of 20-30 years ago....and so would about 3000-4000 others I suspect!

I've been shown around white bank by Chris hamilton, for an article I wrote for Rugby League World.

I admire his refusal to be beaten, his hard work, his positive attitude. On a personal level I enjoy his company.

It was being a 'yo yo' side 20-30 years ago that was at tyhe heart of the club's demise. I think 3-4000 is a little optimistic, and in any case didn't have any effect on thee club's dire financial status at the time.

as for the sheddings, much of the ground wasn't even usable in the period you mention because neglect had made it dangerous. I loved the score board and feel it should have been preserved.

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Thats the problem you dont do sarcasm or irony very well do you. What are you going to do when P + R is brought back as it is going to be in 2015?

carry on enjoying my rugby league, like I did before p and r, during p and r, during the various(why did they keep changing the format?) manifestations of p and r and during the super league era.

HTH

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Take out the figures for the game just before the Challenge Cup final. Skolars attract a bumper crowd for one game a year because they get a lot of speccies who are in London for the Cup final. It boosts their average (and good luck to them) but it doesn't show that there are more speccies in North London than in Rochdale.

cheers. Another way of looking at it is that for nearly all games Oldham and Rochdale would have got bigger away followings. If you want to strip out the Friday Night Lights game you could also take out the the Oldham-Rochdale derby games for a truer showing of actual support. Which ever way you cut it it's a fact that the two traditional clubs in CC1 next year do not have much better support than the Skolars (especially Hornets)

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I've been shown around white bank by Chris hamilton, for an article I wrote for Rugby League World.

I admire his refusal to be beaten, his hard work, his positive attitude. On a personal level I enjoy his company.

It was being a 'yo yo' side 20-30 years ago that was at tyhe heart of the club's demise. I think 3-4000 is a little optimistic, and in any case didn't have any effect on thee club's dire financial status at the time.

as for the sheddings, much of the ground wasn't even usable in the period you mention because neglect had made it dangerous. I loved the score board and feel it should have been preserved.

I see said the blind man - I don't know CH. I'm just judging him on his performance in terms of running his business. I would admire his love for Oldham RL or the hard graft put in as a 'one man band' but do I question his ability to do the job well and make a success of it? ......the results speak for themselves.

Oldham's debt prior to SL was less than £100k - no 'yo'yo ing' until it folded in 97 with debts of £1.2m. Clearly mis-management was at the heart of Oldham's demise - much as it is now!

By the way, Sheddings had working toilets and could hold well over 3 times the capacity of Whitebank in the Sheddings stand alone (which was next to the scoreboard and had a great view of the game).

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Take out the figures for the game just before the Challenge Cup final.

No you take it out.

I'm fed up with doing figures only for people to constantly disagree with them. Do your own ;)

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That I agree with.

At last after six years of polarised views from the trenches, we meet in no mans land and shake hands, game of football perhaps?.

Tell me boy what day is it?

It must be Christmas day.

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At last after six years of polarised views from the trenches, we meet in no mans land and shake hands, game of football perhaps?.

Tell me boy what day is it?

It must be Christmas day.

It's happened before.

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cheers. Another way of looking at it is that for nearly all games Oldham and Rochdale would have got bigger away followings. If you want to strip out the Friday Night Lights game you could also take out the the Oldham-Rochdale derby games for a truer showing of actual support. Which ever way you cut it it's a fact that the two traditional clubs in CC1 next year do not have much better support than the Skolars (especially Hornets)

True.

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