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As a director of Barrow RFC I don't want to get involved in this debate (though I do have very strong views on the subject). I can however state that Barrow WILL NOT be joining the list :)

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As a director of Barrow RFC I don't want to get involved in this debate (though I do have very strong views on the subject). I can however state that Barrow WILL NOT be joining the list :)

Great news, i feel sorry for the players in the Championship squads who won't get a look in when the SL players roll in to town then be expected to play when the SL clubs call them back.

Looking forward to seeing Barrow back down at the Big Fellas Stadium next season

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Well done barrow another club not falling into the trap

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hunslet and swinton, 2 of only 3 teams to win all four cups, now feeder teams. how very very sad.

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Swinton, hunslet, Whitehaven, dewsbury, York, Rochdale, Leigh with Wigan, but nothing official or there would be a lynching in leytherland, you guys are a dead cert so that's 8 I know of, fax, fev, Sheffield is a no no, so that's 11 teams, 3 more and that my friend is nexts years competitors for the league.

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As a director of Barrow RFC I don't want to get involved in this debate (though I do have very strong views on the subject). I can however state that Barrow WILL NOT be joining the list :)

Very, very pleased to hear that mate. Would of been very easy for you to sell your soul, made up you havent, i will go to Barrow next season now and give you some of my money. In fact we should as fans boycott the away games at the feeder teams, might make them think

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As a dewsbury fan the link up with we have with the bulls I don't see it as selling the clubs soul or killing the game at this level. Nor do I see us as a feeder club. Last year we had a lot of loans and DRs I put that down to money as we couldn't have a big enough squad to manage with injuries and so dipped into the loan market for cover. Instead of coming from different clubs they will more than likely come from one as long as they are good enough to compete it isn't an issue for me. Beside the players there are other bits to this link up such as using Bradford's training pitch , may not seem much but when the weather is bad ours is unusable. The club then have to hire an all weather pitch which costs money we don't really have. Once one club starts it becomes a race. If your near the bottom of championship and a rival joins up you can't get left behind or the club face a financial hardship in CC1.if you've got the money to dismiss these link ups that's great but what if you haven't ?

For what it's worth I think SL clubs will go back to a full academy set up in the medium term anyway.

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As a dewsbury fan the link up with we have with the bulls I don't see it as selling the clubs soul or killing the game at this level. Nor do I see us as a feeder club. Last year we had a lot of loans and DRs I put that down to money as we couldn't have a big enough squad to manage with injuries and so dipped into the loan market for cover. Instead of coming from different clubs they will more than likely come from one as long as they are good enough to compete it isn't an issue for me. Beside the players there are other bits to this link up such as using Bradford's training pitch , may not seem much but when the weather is bad ours is unusable. The club then have to hire an all weather pitch which costs money we don't really have. Once one club starts it becomes a race. If your near the bottom of championship and a rival joins up you can't get left behind or the club face a financial hardship in CC1.if you've got the money to dismiss these link ups that's great but what if you haven't ?

For what it's worth I think SL clubs will go back to a full academy set up in the medium term anyway.

Well here is my take on things. As you clearly state it will at least in the short term benefit teams like Yours who can not afford to compete in this league ( perhaps you should drop down then), but in the long term it make you somewhat reliant on the bulls. To me it lacks ambition and indeed does make you a feeder club, you are keeping Bradford players warm untill THEY want them, not like the loan system where you have a player for a set period of time.

Over the last couple of years I have made more of an effort to get to away matches not just to support my team but to support teams like yours with my money. I even linked your cheerleaders up with sponsorship as I wanted to support OUR league! I am in future going to concentrate on my own team as it would seem that some teams your included are only too happy to pick off the SL scraps whilst weakening integrity of our competition. Sad days indeed.

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I think the clubs that have signed away their future with SL clubs are clubs without ambition. They are quite happy to poddle along in the Championship and promotion is not an issue for them. I think it is a sad time for the game. At least Featherstone Rovers are determined to bring young, local talent into the game and in the end we will be all the better for doing so. We have already proved that consistency pays off. We now have players coming through that have been with us all the way from the Academy. They are Fev lads not some oicks brought in just to make a team up. Time will tell but I cannot help feeling that Featherstone has got it right and that we will be seen once again to be the most consistent winning team getting there on our own merits.

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Which ever way you look at it the truth is that SL clubs are using Championship clubs as their second teams. They loan out players who get competition games they wouldn't get in SL and then take them back when the time is ripe. Continuity in Championship clubs who take up this scheme goes out of the window. Just think a club takes on quite a few SL players and are challenging for honours and then the SL club takes them back. What the heck the supporters are going to make of this goodness only knows. My mind goes back to the old days when Doncaster started. Thet were loaned loads of players to get the going. Under Tuss Griffiths they were flying high. Suddenly the loaning clubs seeing how well their loan players were performing called all their players back. We all know the result of that. Doncaster have only just started to revive after years in the wilderness. The question therefore is if the SL clubs suddenly dispose of this scheme what are the participating clubs going to do for players?

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Thats the point I'm making really Colin. When all your local talent has gone, who have you got to field a team with? The other point is that supposing four of five SL players came in for a few weeks, took the club on a winning spell then left, how would the team be able to maintain continuity? How would the fans feel being let down with nothing to look forward to until the next time the SL players were back in the team? As with bonus points, results will be scewed. A club can look good for a short while then go back to nothing. This is a short tem solution that has no future. You might save a bob or two now but long term, the money has dwindled away, the club has no independence and and the future is bleak. Well that's my opinion anyway.

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I only see this twinning going one way and that's disaster for the champ clubs we all know the RFL don't care about any team outside of the SL so that says it all for me this is helping the RFL and SL teams grow and making a lot of champ clubs crumble IMO. It's a very slippy slope to go down and i for one am very happy we are not entertaining the idea. I'm a big believer of this twinning to help the financially strapped SL clubs who will be able to cherry pick from their twinning champ clubs and no fee will be payed for the player. This is to help the SL clubs whoever doesn't see that must be deluded.

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One thing about it, it certainly takes the pressure off the managers, probably giving a false sense of security.If SL clubs can afford to loan players out, doesn't that indicate that they are overmanned, a factor leading to financial troubles in the future.

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One thing about it, it certainly takes the pressure off the managers, probably giving a false sense of security.If SL clubs can afford to loan players out, doesn't that indicate that they are overmanned, a factor leading to financial troubles in the future.

Good point Bob additionally are we absolutley sure that the SL clubs will pay the total wages for the loanees. I haven't read that they will. I know in the past they have for the odd player, but if there are 4/5 what's the situation then. What expenses overall are they covering in this scheme.

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Good point Bob additionally are we absolutley sure that the SL clubs will pay the total wages for the loanees. I haven't read that they will. I know in the past they have for the odd player, but if there are 4/5 what's the situation then. What expenses overall are they covering in this scheme.

it#s my understanding that the parent club will pay the players wages, the host club will pay win bonuses, a (sizeable) part of which will go to the parent club to cover his wages. i could be wrong.

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it#s my understanding that the parent club will pay the players wages, the host club will pay win bonuses, a (sizeable) part of which will go to the parent club to cover his wages. i could be wrong.

But what of accommodation and if none available who covers the travelling costs home and away and meals. I know some are relatively near but it is another consideration especially with petrol costs being what they are.

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Well here is my take on things. As you clearly state it will at least in the short term benefit teams like Yours who can not afford to compete in this league ( perhaps you should drop down then), but in the long term it make you somewhat reliant on the bulls. To me it lacks ambition and indeed does make you a feeder club, you are keeping Bradford players warm untill THEY want them, not like the loan system where you have a player for a set period of time.

Over the last couple of years I have made more of an effort to get to away matches not just to support my team but to support teams like yours with my money. I even linked your cheerleaders up with sponsorship as I wanted to support OUR league! I am in future going to concentrate on my own team as it would seem that some teams your included are only too happy to pick off the SL scraps whilst weakening integrity of our competition. Sad days indeed.

I don't think we need to drop down, by compete I meant with the top 3/4 clubs this may give us a helping hand but then it may not we will have to see. As for ambition I think ours is to win cups at this level not SL. Its not likely we will ever play in SL the only way is if some millionaire turned up and then we wouldn't need the deal with bradford. If that sounds like throwing in the towel well it maybe but it is also realistic. I stiil dont see it as a feeder team. For me, for a team to be a feeder team would mean all the players would be on some sort of Dual reg or loan from Bradford and they have say in running the club and/or the team.Or for bradford to automatically pick up our best players. None of which is happening with this deal. Neither do I see how bringing in better players weakens the integrity of the competition. I would hope you would still come to Dewsbury to watch its not as if the money is going to Bradford. Any boycott would just push clubs more towards link ups with SL clubs.

I can see why clubs in the CC who are aiming for SL don't want or need these link ups but its for each club to decide what is best for them.

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it#s my understanding that the parent club will pay the players wages, the host club will pay win bonuses, a (sizeable) part of which will go to the parent club to cover his wages. i could be wrong.

I have read for the salary cap, each player involved will be given a value this will then apply to the second clubs salary cap. How this value is agreed I don't know.

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I don't think we need to drop down, by compete I meant with the top 3/4 clubs this may give us a helping hand but then it may not we will have to see. As for ambition I think ours is to win cups at this level not SL. Its not likely we will ever play in SL the only way is if some millionaire turned up and then we wouldn't need the deal with bradford. If that sounds like throwing in the towel well it maybe but it is also realistic. I stiil dont see it as a feeder team. For me, for a team to be a feeder team would mean all the players would be on some sort of Dual reg or loan from Bradford and they have say in running the club and/or the team.Or for bradford to automatically pick up our best players. None of which is happening with this deal. Neither do I see how bringing in better players weakens the integrity of the competition. I would hope you would still come to Dewsbury to watch its not as if the money is going to Bradford. Any boycott would just push clubs more towards link ups with SL clubs.

I can see why clubs in the CC who are aiming for SL don't want or need these link ups but its for each club to decide what is best for them.

Dress it up anyway you like but you are now Bradfords feeder club, think i will give your ground a miss next year, likewise Leigh they can call it what they want they are Wigans feeder club

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The facts point to something different. Are you going to miss out every CC that has a link up ? Which could just add to the problem you wanting to avoid.

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The facts point to something different. Are you going to miss out every CC that has a link up ? Which could just add to the problem you wanting to avoid.

I dont agree with what there doing so i wont give them any of my money, by the way i dont think it will make the teams any better, we beat the Cas 1st team and ran Wigan close so what would we do to there reserve players

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Your right it probably wouldn't add much to the Fev team but it may to ours.

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Your right it probably wouldn't add much to the Fev team but it may to ours.

can i just ask, "are you running a 19s and 23s"?

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