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None of that is true have a look for the facts.

And they are where exactly ?

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No not at all it was done to save SL clubs money I think about 100k a year was the figure.

So you don't think it was done for you.

But you're still happy with it.

And you think we should look at the facts. :dry:

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Impossible to say were we would be without Mark Cambell, its not just his monetary input, iv never known a man with as much drive and energy in my life, but a lot of fans have bought into it as well Oldrover and myself even went to Elland road to help bring some seats back although he didnt do alot as i dont think hes ever been on a big job afore, i know other people have done much more than us and still are. The reason i did that and spend all i can at Rovers is i have in my life time seen us win all the majour honours, and would like my son to have that same chance and not see us as a feeder team no way

That's it, that sort of thing starts and the top they set the tone and the rest of the club and fans buy into it. Once you have got it started it can push the club forward. But it's difficult to start.

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i showed you how to drive didn't i AND i built that power station where you allegedly work.

Sorry i work at Drax now not Ferrybridge, by the way Ferrybridge fell down didnt it had to be rebuilt by the right people

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So you don't think it was done for you.

But you're still happy with it.

And you think we should look at the facts. :dry:

:lol:

I'm happy it's the best deal we could do but I'd rather we didn't have to do it. The facts are on Dewsburys website have a look.

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That's it, that sort of thing starts and the top they set the tone and the rest of the club and fans buy into it. Once you have got it started it can push the club forward. But it's difficult to start.

I agree at the moment it suits clubs like yours but ive got a big feeling this idea will go belly up.Ok i know you cant keep your players anyway if someone comes knocking but a feeder club? Too many souls have been sold and i would'nt be surprised if their isnt a dewsbury,york, hunslet etc in 5 years this will eventually kill the clubs who have signed up to this im in no doubt about that.This is only in the RFL's interest and the SL clubs interest they dont care about teams outside the top flight as we all know so why people think it will help their clubs is beyond me.

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Sorry i work at Drax now not Ferrybridge, by the way Ferrybridge fell down didnt it had to be rebuilt by the right people

yes mate, i was one of the right people, AND i built drax. good aren't i

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None of that is true have a look for the facts.

And therein lies my major problem currently, there are none available.

I'm not overly fussed about pinning a label on it, feeder, nursery, twin, partner call it whatever you want it crosses a line for me in that part of the role of Dewsbury, York, Swinton etc... next season is to keep fringe players fit for Bradford, Hull, Warrington etc..I don't think I could countenance watching Fev in those circumstances but if supporters of twinned clubs can live with it I guess that's their call.

Now back to the facts you mention and I mean facts not bland statements about retaining independence and sharing best practice etc.. I don't doubt that those charged with running the twinned CC clubs have concluded these deals enable them to put out a stronger team in the short term but I am genuinely concerned about the potential harm that could be done the integrity of the competition as a whole. Any answers to the the following:

Do Dewsbury have guarantees over player availability, will all DR players who are fit and not in the 1st team squad be available every week or will Francis Cummins be able to encourage/influence selection by only making available those who he feels game time in any particular week? Please note I'm not looking for the GM picks the team answer here I want to know if/how the selection pool he chooses from can be influenced by outside interests.

Assuming Thursday night TV games continue next year, what guarantees to Dewsbury have over player availability? If you play on Thursday & Bradford play on Sunday they wont name their squad until Friday afternoon. I'm not keen on the prospect of you turning up to play Fev on a Thursday shorn of DR players with what amounts to a weakened team only to play fax with a full compliment of first choice DR's the following Sunday. Does the twinning agreement provide the competition with any protection against this kind of thing happening? This was not such an issue in the past as in the main DR'd players were not in the running for 1st team at their parent club.

How will the salary cap be dealt with? Currently the greater of what the loanee club actually pays or the players 'deemed value' is what counts on the cap for the CC club. Not a great problem currently as in the main DR players have been from outside a SL squads main 25 so not actually paid huge sums relative to a CC clubs cap. What is the process for coming up with a 'deemed value' for players who in many cases are likely to be earning £30k+ pa? If cap rules are not sufficiently robust what is to stop Dewsbury or York or Hunslet or Swinton etc.. suddenly having a much stronger team for a couple of games at the back end of the season if they are fighting relegation, afterall it would be in the best interests of both sides of a twinning agreement for the CC club not to be relegated.

What % of games will a DR player need to play to be eligible for the play offs? For the integrity of the competition it needs to be high enough that it stops clubs drafting in 'better' players from their twins but not so high that teams who have made the play offs cant use players they have had through the season, so what is the % that has been settled upon?

Just to be clear, where I've singled Dewsbury out I've done so only as you more likely to be familiar with their agreement rather than any suggestion that Dewsbury's deal is different or more open to question than any other.

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Sorry i work at Drax now not Ferrybridge, by the way Ferrybridge fell down didnt it had to be rebuilt by the right people

Yeah, it did.

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I'm happy it's the best deal we could do but I'd rather we didn't have to do it. The facts are on Dewsburys website have a look.

Got a link ?

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As for ambition I think ours is to win cups at this level not SL. Its not likely we will ever play in SL the only way is if some millionaire turned up and then we wouldn't need the deal with bradford. If that sounds like throwing in the towel well it maybe but it is also realistic.

See what I mean. Ramite is quite happy poddling around in the league. Fev's ambition is to be the best and that means reaching for the highest possible place. Yes. The top of the SL. That's ambition.

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I think the highest possible place for Dewsbury is a level below SL not matter what we win. It's being realistic not having pie in the sky ideas that simply aren't possible.I wouldn't call winning trophies at this level poddling after all isn't that what fev are doing?

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I wouldn't call winning trophies at this level poddling after all isn't that what fev are doing?

Well aye, but aspire to so much more.

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There were a few lads last year who got little game time despite all the loan players as far as I know it didn't cause any unrest.

No, they left for Fev and Sharlston. Drivel talk. Young lads know the clubs which are acceptable to them. Serve these clubs right if, in the future, they will be unable to attract players of any calibre.

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I don't buy this "realistic" argument anyway. OK - even taking into account that you've given up ofn $uperleague (and you may well turn out to have a better case than us on that point) - it doesn't mean that you want to be another club's #####.

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No, they left for Fev and Sharlston. Drivel talk. Young lads know the clubs which are acceptable to them. Serve these clubs right if, in the future, they will be unable to attract players of any calibre.

The lads that left for fev were getting game time because they were top players at the club . Which Dewsbury player did you sign that got little time on pitch ? Plenty of young lads signing for Dewsbury even with this agreement all bar 4 or 5 are under 24. Two of them won academy player of the year.

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yes mate, i was one of the right people, AND i built drax. good aren't i

Well you should of used a better spirit level because them cooling towers dont look straight to me

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Well you should of used a better spirit level because them cooling towers dont look straight to me

Towers were built fine first time at ferrybridge, they just built them in the wrong formation, causing a vortex

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Where else on these fora can you have an informed debate on civil engineering ?

Marvellous. :)

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Towers were built fine first time at ferrybridge, they just built them in the wrong formation, causing a vortex

Please gents! I live right underneath the Ferrybridge ones. Any more and I wont sleep. They occasionally make a hell of a din. Think they might be grumbling at the buliders?

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Nearly 50 years old now - they could collapse again any time, I suppose.

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Well you should of used a better spirit level because them cooling towers dont look straight to me

they look straighter than you do when you've been on the beer.

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