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Super League teams to discuss 2 tier SL with P+R

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1. Don't lie about my posts.

2. I have NEVER supported the madcap scheme for Keighley to play in Burnley.

3. However, given that Keighley is now officially a part of Bradford and given that Bradford council fixed up Odsal and then gave the lease to the Bulls for a peppercorn rent for a very long time until they were so stupid they sold it, do you think Bradord Council should fund the building of a new stadium in Keighley for the Cougars.

1. Don't lie twice about the strength of Leeds Rhinos local junior set up.

2. So you supported keighley staying in a 7,500 capacity stadium with no room to expand?

How then would they have got the money to service their heavy debts and go round competing for the best juniors which you say they could have done, other than that rich man jumping out of a cake?

7,500 crowds in old stadiums like Belle Vue, Wheldon Road, and Craven Park hasn't seen bigger clubs than keighley thrive has it?

3. Isn't it the case that lawkholme lane is now a privately owned ground you lease? I'd support the council building Keighley a new stadium if the club will put back in the money they took for flogging the ground including the cricket pitch.

See, I don't like ground floggers and asset strippers. I'm an old "Parkside" lad and as for "Old" that links nicely to "Oldham" where another great benefactor of our game flogged off the ground and conemned the club to be small for eternity!

They did it at Swinton as well. Why should councils replace assets stripped by officers of limited companies??

Go on then??

Why??

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1. Don't lie twice about the strength of Leeds Rhinos local junior set up.

2. So you supported keighley staying in a 7,500 capacity stadium with no room to expand?

How then would they have got the money to service their heavy debts and go round competing for the best juniors which you say they could have done, other than that rich man jumping out of a cake?

7,500 crowds in old stadiums like Belle Vue, Wheldon Road, and Craven Park hasn't seen bigger clubs than keighley thrive has it?

3. Isn't it the case that lawkholme lane is now a privately owned ground you lease? I'd support the council building Keighley a new stadium if the club will put back in the money they took for flogging the ground including the cricket pitch.

See, I don't like ground floggers and asset strippers. I'm an old "Parkside" lad and as for "Old" that links nicely to "Oldham" where another great benefactor of our game flogged off the ground and conemned the club to be small for eternity!

They did it at Swinton as well. Why should councils replace assets stripped by officers of limited companies??

Go on then??

Why??

In Keighley's case because they already did it for Bradford, another team in the council's area. Keighley people pay their taxes, don't they. Did the Bulls put any money into building the odsal terracing and demolishing the old main stand ? if they didn't then Keighley should also get some assistance. Isn't it a fact that Odsal is a publicly owned ground that the Bulls sub lease from the RFL. What's the difference?

Have Salford council assisted the reds with their new stadium, donating the land or something. If so they should also consider assisting Swinton, another team nominally based in Salford. Fair treatment for all etc etc.

I do agree with you, don't faint now, that selling grounds is a fatal excercise for clubs. especially if no one knows where the money went as at Hunslet or possibly Halifax. What was the deal with Maclaren Field. Where did the money go. That sale ultimately doomed Bramley.

Is this cake the same one that Glover and Hudgell jumped out of or the one in which the investors in Toulouse are hiding ? You just don't know which piece of confectionary any potential Keighley backer was hiding in and so you go with bluster and inuendo repeatedly. I don't know either if even if there was an investor but I don't categorically state that there was, since I do not know, whereas you deny categorically that he did not exist when you also don't know for sure.

I am not an architect but Keighleys capacity used to be 14,000. They have an old small main stand. I would think you could demolish it and build a length of the field stand in its place with seating and a small standing area in the front of it. The opposite side, the old scratin shed side has I think been studied and there is room for an expanded stand there. the lkley end could also sustain a bigger terrace or stand if the area behind which was or might still be a bowling green was obtained. The big kop at the Lawkholme lane end has been drastically reduced in size. I am not sure if there is scope to enlarge it again but its a possibility.

Isn't pulling in 7,500 or less in a decaying stadium but with a private company building you a stadium on public land the poster child for one of your big success stories of SL. A team that got PROMOTED to SL, no less.

Why can't some variation on that theme work for Keighley if they ever get to the point of being a candidate for SL, which they are not currently so don't get all huffy.

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It pays to consider that instead diluting SL funding, some Championship clubs will help bridge the gap through their own efforts and business practices.

There are a number of clubs already with a stadium or developing one that could function quite happily in a second tier SL. They also have the potential fan base, playing rosta and kudos to step up rather than making a leap of faith. What comes next is the drive to market the competition to punters both at the gates and on TV and the clubs in this second tier may just have the impetus to sell a new era for the sport.

I think the second tier idea should also be considered from the point of view for SL clubs. I've always thought a 10 team SL is more a true reflection of the size of our first class competition, which I believe has a bit of a tarnished reputation in terms of justifying it's size when clubs are constantly failing. I believe they fail because they have nowhere to reset their sights other than "oblivion" in the Championships. it would be interesting to know which SL clubs would volunteer to be in SL2 for a few seasons, rather than be forced to set ambitious goals to compete with the biggest teams at the biggest teams level.

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In Keighley's case because they already did it for Bradford, another team in the council's area. Keighley people pay their taxes, don't they. Did the Bulls put any money into building the odsal terracing and demolishing the old main stand ? if they didn't then Keighley should also get some assistance. Isn't it a fact that Odsal is a publicly owned ground that the Bulls sub lease from the RFL. What's the difference?

Have Salford council assisted the reds with their new stadium, donating the land or something. If so they should also consider assisting Swinton, another team nominally based in Salford. Fair treatment for all etc etc.

I do agree with you, don't faint now, that selling grounds is a fatal excercise for clubs. especially if no one knows where the money went as at Hunslet or possibly Halifax. What was the deal with Maclaren Field. Where did the money go. That sale ultimately doomed Bramley.

Is this cake the same one that Glover and Hudgell jumped out of or the one in which the investors in Toulouse are hiding ? You just don't know which piece of confectionary any potential Keighley backer was hiding in and so you go with bluster and inuendo repeatedly. I don't know either if even if there was an investor but I don't categorically state that there was, since I do not know, whereas you deny categorically that he did not exist when you also don't know for sure.

I am not an architect but Keighleys capacity used to be 14,000. They have an old small main stand. I would think you could demolish it and build a length of the field stand in its place with seating and a small standing area in the front of it. The opposite side, the old scratin shed side has I think been studied and there is room for an expanded stand there. the lkley end could also sustain a bigger terrace or stand if the area behind which was or might still be a bowling green was obtained. The big kop at the Lawkholme lane end has been drastically reduced in size. I am not sure if there is scope to enlarge it again but its a possibility.

Isn't pulling in 7,500 or less in a decaying stadium but with a private company building you a stadium on public land the poster child for one of your big success stories of SL. A team that got PROMOTED to SL, no less.

Why can't some variation on that theme work for Keighley if they ever get to the point of being a candidate for SL, which they are not currently so don't get all huffy.

I'm not "huffy" at all. Keighley don't need a new stadium. full stop

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