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John Drake

Billy Boston honoured amongst greatest black athletes of all time.

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This list is the equivalent of apartheid , athletes are good or bad, leave race and colour and all that aside.

Lists like these seek to create racial divides in sport.

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This list is the equivalent of apartheid , athletes are good or bad, leave race and colour and all that aside.

Lists like these seek to create racial divides in sport.

Totally agree

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This list is the equivalent of apartheid , athletes are good or bad, leave race and colour and all that aside.

Lists like these seek to create racial divides in sport.

Not at all.

In an age where black athletes were either not selected or had to face huge obstacles simply to achieve anything approaching parity, then of course their struggle should be acknowledged.

It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

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Struggle? Nothing like te oppression the French game suffered under the Vichy regime, the the game in Yugoslavia, the struggle you talk about is irrelevant, the fact is, these people were allowed or chose to compete, they should be noted as great athletes, but relating it purely to skin tone is simply racial selection, the very thing they were supposedly trying to stop.

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Struggle? Nothing like te oppression the French game suffered under the Vichy regime, the the game in Yugoslavia, the struggle you talk about is irrelevant, the fact is, these people were allowed or chose to compete, they should be noted as great athletes, but relating it purely to skin tone is simply racial selection, the very thing they were supposedly trying to stop.

Are you seriously comparing RL being banned in France and Yugoslavia with segregation or apartheid? I think you need to re-assess what is really important in life pal.

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Yes, yes I am, Yugoslavia and France torn apart by dictatorial regimes who wouldn't allow equal opportunities for all.

Back to my initial point, I think that these athletes should be recognised as great athletes for no their reason than that's what they were.

If I were to compare these things in a way that were not serious, I may have quoted any of the following; unicorns, moomins, elves, oompah loompahs and the dictatorial regime of the willy wonka corporation, I could go on, but I can feel you compiling a list of the greatest oompah loompahs ever to create a chocolate bar.

If you don't like my opinion, perhaps you could add me to your list of the 10 totalrl posts which you disagree with most.

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Good grief!

1. The existence of such a list is wrong

2. The wrong people are on the list

3. The people who are on the list are in the wrong position

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world of Rugby League.

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Yes, yes I am, Yugoslavia and France torn apart by dictatorial regimes who wouldn't allow equal opportunities for all.

Back to my initial point, I think that these athletes should be recognised as great athletes for no their reason than that's what they were.

If I were to compare these things in a way that were not serious, I may have quoted any of the following; unicorns, moomins, elves, oompah loompahs and the dictatorial regime of the willy wonka corporation, I could go on, but I can feel you compiling a list of the greatest oompah loompahs ever to create a chocolate bar.

If you don't like my opinion, perhaps you could add me to your list of the 10 totalrl posts which you disagree with most.

1. Do you seriously think that in a war-torn starving France of 1939 to 1945 anyone seriously gave a ###### about Rugby League?

2. All these athletes have indeed to my knowledge been recognised as great athletes for no their reason than that's what they were.

3. Its not a matter of liking or disliking your opinion, its a matter of believing that your opinion is based on a false and specious premis

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It's usually a black leaning organisation, dedicated to producing content for the interest of blacks, that propagate these lists in the first place. This has a link to the past when if they did n't push their own stars, nobody in the white world would.

That's why they had the Negro league baseball in the US and had their own all star games, statistics etc. They were excluded from major league baseball even though on exhibition tours around the boodocks they often competed against and beat teams of white major leaguers. Today the stars of the Negro league get inducted into the hall of fame. Better late than never you might say.

That is why Jackie Robinson is on the list under discussion. He was the first black to join the club, was greeted with unbelievable racism and, and still over achieved.

That is why Jesse Owens is so important. He shoved Hilter's ideas on white supremacy back down his throat in Berlin no less.

Billy Boston, Johnny Freeman, Colin Dixon, Frank Wilson, Clive Sullivan all had the ability to play for Wales at RU but were never going to be picked because of their race. Wasn't Billy left off a lions RL team playing an exhibition game in apartheid South Africa because he was black.?

Today, such things would not happen. Most US sports are dominated by black athletes and Wales would pick those black Welshmen like Boston for their team in a heartbeat.

Today such lists are counterproductive in achieving racial harmony in society but I understand the historical underpinnings to the existence of the list.

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disagree sullivan was the first black person to captain a great britain team in any sport. and therefore shuld be on the list.

Read what I posted, then get back to me.

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Read what I posted, then get back to me.

I think Clive Sullivan was a great player, and as the first black man to captain a British international team deserves some recognition. However, Billy was a fantastic sportsman and deserves the honour - I write as somone who saw him play. However, what I ask is why isn't Ellery on the list? A great footballer and considerable athlete.

As for colour prejudice in Wales, Colin Dixon, Jonhnnie Freeman, Danny Wilson and Clive Sullivan, could all be added to the black Welshmen who came north presumably because they saw no future in playing Union in South Wales in the fifties, sixties and seventies. If you played Union in those days and were any good, you could look forward to a secure future one way or another - provided of course you weren't black.

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I think Clive Sullivan was a great player, and as the first black man to captain a British international team deserves some recognition. However, Billy was a fantastic sportsman and deserves the honour - I write as somone who saw him play. However, what I ask is why isn't Ellery on the list? A great footballer and considerable athlete.

As for colour prejudice in Wales, Colin Dixon, Jonhnnie Freeman, Danny Wilson and Clive Sullivan, could all be added to the black Welshmen who came north presumably because they saw no future in playing Union in South Wales in the fifties, sixties and seventies. If you played Union in those days and were any good, you could look forward to a secure future one way or another - provided of course you weren't black.

So do I.

Boston couldn't even get a sniff in at Cardiff, the club he really wanted to play for, as at that time they weren't to keen on anyone sporting a tan.

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So do I.

Boston couldn't even get a sniff in at Cardiff, the club he really wanted to play for, as at that time they weren't to keen on anyone sporting a tan.

that was the culture of the time in all sports and other ways of life not just for black people but anyone not fitting into the strait jacket of the times .

i wonder what they would have made of gareth thomas ?

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that was the culture of the time in all sports and other ways of life not just for black people but anyone not fitting into the strait jacket of the times .

i wonder what they would have made of gareth thomas ?

It may have been the culture in the fifties and sixties, but surely not in the seventies - when Danny Wilson and Colin Dixon signed. At that time black players were starting to make their presence felt in soccer and the England cricket team, so why not in Rugby Union - lets face it almost until its demise Union tacitly supported the apartheid regime in South Africa.

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Are you seriously comparing RL being banned in France and Yugoslavia with segregation or apartheid? I think you need to re-assess what is really important in life pal.

Maybe they really are THAT deluded? Flabbergasting. There are just no words for some people... Just ignore him/her.

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It may have been the culture in the fifties and sixties, but surely not in the seventies - when Danny Wilson and Colin Dixon signed. At that time black players were starting to make their presence felt in soccer and the England cricket team, so why not in Rugby Union - lets face it almost until its demise Union tacitly supported the apartheid regime in South Africa.

think you will find colin dixon signed for halifax in the 60s and in the early 70s at least then yes it was still the culture of the time not until the mid 70s did it really start to change to any degree at least not in west yorkshire . fair enough the eletist ruby union held out longer than most but just how intergrated was tennis back then for instance

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think you will find colin dixon signed for halifax in the 60s and in the early 70s at least then yes it was still the culture of the time not until the mid 70s did it really start to change to any degree at least not in west yorkshire . fair enough the eletist ruby union held out longer than most but just how intergrated was tennis back then for instance

I think Arthur Ashe won Wimbledon in 1975

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I think Arthur Ashe won Wimbledon in 1975

and which english players of black skin have we heard of until the last couple of years

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I think both Jessica Ennis and Heather Watson are both mixed race.

http://en.wikipedia..../Heather_Watson

I think celebrating black sports people is fantastic as there has been an horrific amount of oppression of people of African and Aboriginal/Indigionous decent in professional sport throughout the 19th 20th centuries. Would the prejudice idiots have a problem if it was Greatest Chinese/Indo-Pakistani/Asian/European/British sports people? No. We don't need 'Greatest White Sports people' as Caucasions haven't had to go through hardship to become greats in their sports. Nothing wrong with Greatest Sports people from a Country or Continent, however the reason for 'Greatest Black Sports people' is because of oppression towards black people in Sport. Think about it 25 years ago neither Jessica Ennis or Heather Watson would have been able to compete in South Africa if their was an Olympics or Tennis tournament out there.

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I think both Jessica Ennis and Heather Watson are both mixed race.

http://en.wikipedia..../Heather_Watson

I think celebrating black sports people is great as there has been an huge amount of oppression of people of African and Aboriginal decent. Would the prejudice idiots have a problem if it was Greatest Chinese/Indo-Pakistani/Asian/European/British sports people? No. We don't need 'Greatest White Sports people' as Caucasions haven't had to go through hardship to become greats in their sports. Nothing wrong with Greatest Sports people from a Country or Continent, however the reason for 'Greatest Black Sports people' is because of oppression towards black people in Sport. Think about it 25 years ago neither Jessica Ennis or Heather Watson would have been able to compete in South Africa if their was an Olympics or Tennis tournament out there.

But in terms of this thread they are black - let's face it most of the Afro Caribbeans in the UK are mixed race.

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But in terms of this thread they are black - let's face it most of the Afro Caribbeans in the UK are mixed race.

Yep, I agree, in terms of this thread they are black sports women.

By the way, Heather Watson's mother is Melanesian [from PNG] not the Caribbean if that's what you meant?

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