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Wales v England, Wrexham. 27/10/2012 K.O. 2.30pm

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I was astounded to see a live "home international" on terrestrial TV. surely that is a tremendous achievement for the game.

Yes, and we got home after watching a good game of rugby in time to see a very positive review of the game on bbc news at ten.

"Always look on the bright side of life . . . . "

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I hope results like that don't have a negative effect on the ticket sales for the Welsh home games in the WC. It also is important that the Welsh get to, at least the quarter finals. Results like that make myou wonder of they will beat a Aussie heritage loaded Italy team.

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Results like that make myou wonder of they will beat a Aussie heritage loaded Italy team.

The game is damaged more by the Italians being a team full of ageing Australians than the Welsh losing.

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To me, Wales were worse than in last season's games against England and Australia, although their morale probably wasn't helped by watching their coach on BBC Breakfast on Friday effectively saying that they were going to get hammered. Never been convinced about Isetyn Harris as a head coach, I've more seen him as an assistant - a view reinforced yesterday. Never mind, it was a pleasant afternoon in the sun in the Yale Paddock.

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We've had live terrestrial tests at home for the past few years now, not sure why people continue to be staggered by this.

Ive watched us on the BBC play the Aussies twice and the Welsh twice live and highlights every year.

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its about what i expected with full time players against in the main part timers the fitness issue was always goning to be there as was the difference in skills .

even though you cant take to much out of the game you could see that england looked more organised than they have looked for a long time with more good options been taken and players who really seemed to have gelled as a team .

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We need to do well in the World Cup to push the game forward in Wales.

Iestyn needs to: -

- get on a plane to Australia and grab at least half a dozen heritage players ... we are desperate for two centres and a loose forward.

- get Lloyd White to threaten Rhys Hanbury with a baseball bat unless he turns up some Welsh ancestry to match his name.

- practice Ben Flower playing in the centre in training at Wigan. He can tackle and run hard; which is better than that London centre offered on Saturday.

The backs are of more concern than the forwards. We've got Jordan James and Craig Kopczak that can do a stint in the second row at a push. We've got Jake Emmitt and Gil Dudson as two good props plus Tyson Frizzell as a mainstay second row and and Ben Evans who has looked good in parts.. I'd play Lloyd White at loose forward and, if we got some decent halfbacks, we could play Matt Seamark and Neil Budworth as exchange hookers.

Let's shore up the defence first for every game and let loose on the flair after the early pressure has subsided.

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Think you forgot a certain Mr Chase. Whether you like it or not he's in Macarena's plans. If fit he will be in the squad next year.

Didn't forget at all, neither did I forget Heighington or Manu

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So where's your solution? Is the alternative not playing at all? Bring back a pretend GB team?

It doesn't seem to matter what the RFL try, people like you will always find a reason to rubbish it. I could genuinely understand this if in the past GB had played every game under mass hysteria with locked doors, but they didn't. Apart from a bit of a surge in the late 80's/early 90's crowds were abysmal internationally- look at the 'crowd' for the 1972 WC final under the sacred GB...now that is ###### embarrassing, and with such legendary players too. The KIWI tour of 1971 that attracted a total of about 8-10K spectators...in total!! Jesus.

The GB/Aus series of 2003 was a 3-0 series win to the Aussies. But every game went to the wire and could have gone either way with each game being close, did this result in a load of positive 'bloody good series that' type analysis? Did it balls. It was yet more evidence that we should give up because we will never beat them.

Well check this, it's not being 'realistic'. It's moaning.

Absolutely spot on that.

The 2003 series was as good as it gets for viewing spectacle other than us actually winning.

There was nothing on those game, by my memory at least two of them were literally won on the last play of the game by Lockyer being truly, truly briliant.

But I also remember people moaning about venues, small crowds and of course losing 3-0

But the Aussies damn well knew they had dodged a bullet. And the games I went to were astonishing atmospheres

I didn't go to the game on Saturday but watching it I saw a Wales team trying hard, with some real touches of class at times but they were young and outgunned by an England team that were:

Superbly led by Sinfield as captain

Utterly dominant in the forwards - our back row options are as good as anything else in the world and out with all the front row options available the front row is a match for any too

Our 3/4 line looked very classy. Watkins is big, fast and strong. Possiby our answer to GI. Lets see how they stop him in full flight. Cudjoe showed guile and awareness to put Hall in and worked hard off the ball all game and in Hall and Charnley we have two of the best finishers I've seen in a long time

At fullback Tomkins has to be worried with the pace, vision and ability of hardacre. Two genuinly exciting young fullbacks competing to play against Aus. That's just exciting all over.

At halfback while Sinfield might not be the best he is a leader and competitor from top to bottom. Any other shortcoming he has are far more made up by his leadership - to compliment him we have an embarrassment of riches depending how we want to go. Brough, Myler, Lomax, Chase all bring real positives and we will all have our faveourites

Whichever way you cut it we have THE best international set up I can remember in all my years of watching and come next year I'm going to be going mental in the support of English Rugby League

The doom merchants can stay at home.

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The Welsh may have got something out of yesterdays game for the future but what did England get out of it? Of course our players looked good because they were playing against Championship 1 semi-professional players and the scoreline reflected that just as a Super League team would do against a Championship 1 team in the Challenge Cup.

I sat watching it thinking to myself that if that was a good job we weren't playing the Aussies or the Kiwis. England would have had a better run-out against our own England Knights team in a proper trial game that meant something by players playing for a place in the national team against people who currently hold the jersey.

What exactly are the Knights gaining by playing Ireland and Scotland, more Championship(s) players, other than having a bonding get together? Why don't the four nations - France, Ireland, Scotland and Wales - play a tournament, whilst England play the Knights and then a combined team from the four nations takes on the England team selected from the trial game. I could see more value from that.

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The Welsh may have got something out of yesterdays game for the future but what did England get out of it? Of course our players looked good because they were playing against Championship 1 semi-professional players and the scoreline reflected that just as a Super League team would do against a Championship 1 team in the Challenge Cup.

I sat watching it thinking to myself that if that was a good job we weren't playing the Aussies or the Kiwis. England would have had a better run-out against our own England Knights team in a proper trial game that meant something by players playing for a place in the national team against people who currently hold the jersey.

What exactly are the Knights gaining by playing Ireland and Scotland, more Championship(s) players, other than having a bonding get together? Why don't the four nations - France, Ireland, Scotland and Wales - play a tournament, whilst England play the Knights and then a combined team from the four nations takes on the England team selected from the trial game. I could see more value from that.

The Welsh and Irish need the exposure to this level so that they can improve or assess their position. These games are important to them. The Irish need to find so me decent heritage Aussies or else the game in Limerick will be a lot more embarassing of a score line than was that in yesterdays game. The game should be a promotional tool for Irish RL, not a complete turnoff.

Having said that,given the wealth of talent seemingly available to England, a trial match, would also seem to be a good idea. It should generate a good attendance also.

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Having said that,given the wealth of talent seemingly available to England, a trial match, would also seem to be a good idea. It should generate a good attendance also.

Do you honestly believe that though? Because I can hear the reasons for not attending already.

Pointless.

McBanana is a clown.

We should be playing the Aussies or Kiwis (despite them refusing to play us)

Bring back GB.

Farce.

Laughing stock.

Repeat for next 20 years or until new coach takes over.

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Can't see England v England Knights being any sort of success commercially. Who would go and watch it and who would want to pay broadcast rights to it? Wales were below their best yesterday and England played very well - too often England have big gaps where they go off the boil. That didn't happen yesterday.

Iestyn Harris has made it clear today that he doesn't think his players did themselves justice and that they need to step it up if they want to be in the World Cup squad.

There is a lot more to being an international player than simply doing well for your club, getting a shirt and then it all happening. All the comments from players in the last year or so confirm that they feel the England set up is really good, full squad and Knights. Players WANT to be part of it. It was only back in 2008 at the World Cup when big chunks of the sqaud (Saints & Leeds players) weren't having anything to do with each other. Compare that to the body language of Josh Charnley & Zak Hardaker when Josh scored his first try on Saturday.

Next season we'll see virtually every player in either the England or Knights squad, or on the fringes bust a gut to get in the England World Cup squad, previous World Cups, you got the feeling a lot of players couldn't be bothered. A number of England players declared for Ireland in 2000 and Jason Robinson jacked it all in before the World Cup. Can't see Sam Tomkins jumping ship before next year's World Cup.

The 2013 World Cup is a big incentive for players to be part of our game. Who wouldn't want to be part of it, and when Lee Briers dusts down his international boots one last time next autumn, remember you heard it here first!!!

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The Welsh and Irish need the exposure to this level so that they can improve or assess their position. These games are important to them. The Irish need to find so me decent heritage Aussies or else the game in Limerick will be a lot more embarassing of a score line than was that in yesterdays game. The game should be a promotional tool for Irish RL, not a complete turnoff.

Of course, the Irish had quite a few talented 'heritage' players in their squad before the GB team was disbanded and those players decided to throw their lot in with England.

The Irish genuinely worry me with regards to next year's WC. Being put in a group with Engalnd and Australia is going to do them no favours. There are a few teams whose position in next years tournament appears to be based on past glories rather than how they're performing now. Hopefully before the next WC we can get proper qualifying tournaments sorted.

As for Wales, well I'm not sure I agree with the line that they will benefit long term from losing to England by 80 points. I'm not convinced any team at any level benefits from that sort of hiding. But, unlike Ireland, they are at least in a group for next years WC where they have a realistic chance of qualifying. And reading about some of the names the Italians are apparently lining up for 2013, that first game between those two could be a good 'un.

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a tour by png would have been of more use to england and france with wales playing in theother comp against scotland ect

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a tour by png would have been of more use to england and france with wales playing in theother comp against scotland ect

Why would a PNG be better, I don't think PNG have ever won in the northern hemisphere.

Wales getting beat by the knights would demoralise them even more!

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hear hear WELL SAID THAT MAIN

But France only just beat Wales. So your thoughts would be good PMJ

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Why would a PNG be better, I don't think PNG have ever won in the northern hemisphere.

Wales getting beat by the knights would demoralise them even more!

would love to see png tour but it would cost a ton of money and see pisspoor crowds http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/Custom/NjEtLS0tLS0tLS0tLTQ4LS15LS0tLS0tLQ==

Im sure the moaning nellies would have lauded it as a worthy developmental enterprise -not!

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Gareth Walker, despite being at an event nothing to do with RL (NFL @ Wembley) still felt he had to be negative about the England Wales game. And this bloke is a so called RL fan and journo.

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Gareth Walker, despite being at an event nothing to do with RL (NFL @ Wembley) still felt he had to be negative about the England Wales game. And this bloke is a so called RL fan and journo.

and true to form Chris Irvine felt he had to join in slagging the RL event off.

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a tour by png would have been of more use to england and france with wales playing in theother comp against scotland ect

People seem to forget that in 2010, Wales beat France to qualify for the 4 Nations in 2011. In 2011 Wales were no more disgraced than France were in 2009. Wales went into the France game with a genuine chance this year. The difference in class between Thomas Bosc and the Welsh half-backs was marked. Wales lost the game in a 10 minute spell before half-time. They weren't a million miles away. Had it been Briers against Bosc, it might have been different.

Ok Wales were below par this year. It happens. They need to man up next year and do better. Not scrap the whole thing.

And I don't think you just get on the phone and ring the PNG RFL and set up a test series. Good grief, it was only last year when Samoa (I think) pulled out of touring here at the last moment. We're not exactly talking about dealing with multi-million pound organisations here.

Come the World Cup we'll see them come out of the woodwork. Expect Pat Richards and Damien Blanch make themselves available for Ireland again. It's not exactly hard to find an Aussie playing rugby whose parents or grandparents were from either Ireland or Scotland.

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With respect PNG are hardly a step up in class compared to Wales, you can keep looking for ways around it but the reality of fact is this,

England,Australia and NZ are substantially ahead of all other International RL sides then come Wales and France in Europe and PNG down

South a fair way behind and then Scotland,Ireland,Samoa,Tonga,Fiji and Italy well behind that.That is what we are working with currently..... !

You can try playing all sorts of antipodeon,other nationalities,dream team combinations, but it won't change a thing.

Fans didn't support the Exiles games any more than they supported England v Wales in Leigh.You just have to face the facts and then we can try

and improve it, until then....

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Why would a PNG be better, I don't think PNG have ever won in the northern hemisphere.

Wales getting beat by the knights would demoralise them even more!

png players have improved leaps and bounds in the last few years and a number now play in the nrl and especially the queensland cup which is a pretty high standard and i belive they would be a better match for england and france and lets not forget last time england played png england were lucky to win .

as for crowds i dont thnik they would suffer as the game at wrexham did no exatly draw a massive crowd and i think more people would come out to see the kumuls if only for the novelty factor

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png players have improved leaps and bounds in the last few years and a number now play in the nrl and especially the queensland cup which is a pretty high standard and i belive they would be a better match for england and france and lets not forget last time england played png england were lucky to win .

as for crowds i dont thnik they would suffer as the game at wrexham did no exatly draw a massive crowd and i think more people would come out to see the kumuls if only for the novelty factor

Maybe they've improved, as they don't tour we'll have to wait for the WC. Talking of the last time we played them in the WC England had major issues.

Now France over Wales, why on earth do people bang on about France , recent years Wales are on par with France. .. We're in the results business and Wales / France are close in the last 5/6 years...remember Wales made the four nations France didn't .

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For people moaning about the attendances, here is a comparison.

5,233- Wales v Australia (4 Nations)

4,014- Wales v England (Autumn International Series)

I'll let you decide.......

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