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England v France 3rd Nov

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I was wearing my old France replica shirt.

- lamentable language skills of the car park staff at the ground.

You were positively cruel, even though she was a member of Hull KR's car park staff, I actually felt sorry for her.

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Very enjoyable day, meet-up and game. Memories?

- unique atmosphere of The Robin's Nest

It was, indeed, a good day. The atmosphere in the Robin's Nest was bizarre! Overpowering smell of vanilla mixed with stale booze and sweaty B.O. - Weird!

Sympathy for brooza - a missed rail connection caused me to arrive with just seconds to spare.

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I think the intrduction lof the Catalans probably saved RL in France. Their league was in serious decline and attendances and playing strength were in serious trouble. No team got anywhere near the 9,000 plus average attendances the Catalans are getting and no French players were playing at SL standard. Now the French members of the Catalans team are. Young Frenchmen wanting to play RL now have an avenue to the top in Catalans. I think the numbers playing the game in France are increasing. Perhaps some of the members of the forum who know about the game in France can attest to the truth or otherwise of that.

Despite the setback yesterday, the French team seems better than it was. I think they failed to get out of their group in the last WC, so if they qualify for the quarter finals or, if they are lucky, the semi finals, then this will be significant progress. England, for all their recent failings , are still in the big three and deservedly so. The fact that England can still handily beat the French therefore is not surprising.

The French have to learn to walk before they can run. However the fact that they have been to two World Cup finals and won a test series in Australia ,long, long ago shows the latent talent available in France if it does not all go to RU.

That's a fair assessment.

Actually the French team came 10th in 2008, out of 10 teams.

This is why I think Carcassonne needs to be looked at, especially compared to Toulouse, Paris or 'Aude United'

+ There is already a club in the town with a rich history since 1938

+ There is already a decent sized stadium which the club already play in. (Stade d'Albert Domec)

+ Unlike in Perpignan, the Rugby Union club are in the second division and do not play in the Heineken Cup at all.

+ The club has already produced French international players recently like Teddy Sadaoui.

+ It would not completely desecrate the Elite One Championship, whereas an Aude United would do.

+ The town is near enough to Perpignan for there to be rivalry and added attendance but not too close for it to be detrimental (it's 50 miles between them)

+ The town is near enough for all other Super League teams to use the same travel and accomodation arrangements as they already do when visiting Perpignan.

+ The town is in League heartland territory (it will not be 'expansion') and is less than 20 miles away from both Lezignan and Limoux and is 40 miles from Toulouse, Castres and Narbonne.

+ It's the least riskiest strategy Rugby League has had in years - less riskier than Gateshead, less riskier than Wrexham, less riskier than Bridgend, less riskier than London, less riskier than Toulouse and less riskier than Paris!!

Get them in and we could be seeing France actually beating England in a few years time.

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The Refs are decided by a three man panel in the 4 Nations.

I think if the game was referred the same in England, Australia and at Test level you would not see any issues.

Four Nations 2009

Oct 31st 2009 Game 2 England 16 Australia 26 S. Ganson Wigan

Nov 14th 2009 Final England 16 Australia 46 L. Williamson Leeds

Four Nations 2010

Oct 31st 2010 Game 2 Australia 34 England 14 T. Archer Melbourne

Nov 13th 2010 Final Australia 12 New Zealand 16 T. Archer Brisbane

Four Nations 2011

Nov 5th 2011 Game 4 England 20 Australia 36 H. Perenara London

Nov 19th 2011 Final England 8 Australia 30 M. Cecchin Leeds

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Just make sure the Video Ref is not English eh..... that can be costly if your an Aussie.

:)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

After Elland Road in 2009 I don't know how you dare. There was an Aussie ref sat next to the English video ref and it was clear from the time taken that he was questioning every decision and changing some of them.

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Great day out, with grand company and a fairly decent game.

The day will linger with me for some time - the odour in the Robins Nest will sadly last years!

Had to laugh at the floodlighting being on on what was probably the sunniest & brightest day of the year :)

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You were positively cruel, even though she was a member of Hull KR's car park staff, I actually felt sorry for her.

I should apologise, really. On the plus side for me at least,, she didn't hit me.

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That Sinfield has to play out of position to fill a half back shortage just shows how weak we are.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Sinfield been playing there all year?

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I thought were looked pretty strong. Big, strong and mobile forwards, fast and physical centres and wings I thought Myler was OK but I'd rather see McIlorum at acting half back..its a wast having fast and tricky players like Tomkins and Myler in that position just tossing the ball to the next player.

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I really enjoy my international RL however this game was like watching paint dry. Really just a glorified friendly and the French seemed to treat it as such.

I remember when every game against the French was a battle and whilst we generally won the scores were much closer. The modern ,sanitised ,10 metre version of Rugby League does not seem to suit the French at all.

We now do have some genuinely top class players in the team, the forwards look as strong as ever especially when Burgess, Roby and Graham are available. Watkins, Hall and Tomkins are sublime talents in the backs but the dearth of half backs is our achilles heel. Whilst Myler is good at what he does he is not a scrum half per se and to have everything thrust upon Sinfield is not going to provide the break through we need against the Green and Golds. We are still waiting for someone to match the level of Andy Gregory who probably our last very top class scrum half although Goulding and Long had their occasional days.

Perhaps this needs addressing by the RFL , an elite coaching camp set up to promote the virtues of dominant half back play. The Australians , and Kiwis to an extent ,seem to have no problem reeling them off but we seem to be struggling to provide the next Murphy, Millward, Myler , Gregory or even Schofield. It pretty much shows the dearth of them coming through when Wigan are having to sign ex Saints and NRL fringe players to fill their spots and our best team of recent times using a loose forward in the halves with great success.

Looking forward to the World Cup but with expectations set firmly at nil.

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Watched this last night on record and even though I knew the result and had read a few slatings of it on twitter etc, I wasn't expecting much. It wasn't all that bad though.

Its definitely better than not having any games, regardless of what the clever dicks say.

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Are Carcassonne expressing any interest in making a SL application ?

I dont think its on their agenda at the moment. They're quite close to the Dragons. They've already hosted Catalans at Domec in their first season and I keep asking people why they don't host a game again especially as Domec's had a face lift and looks good. Capacity now 10,500. For me the best run club in France after the Dragons. They are inviting the Dragons to some type of gala evening I think before Xmas.

But they're just too close geographically to Perpignan aren't they. Catalans have official supporters groups around Carcassonne. Lots of cars around town display both ASC & Dragons stickers. People in the know say its Toulouse next up. Even if that failed I'd still go next up to Provence and Avignon a good 2 hours by train from Perpignan. Another region & different market. Carcassonne-Aude-Tarn would be my next stop after that.

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It was an okay game, but without the intensity or tension of a 'Big three' match-up. Here's hoping France learn from this match and up their game for the final. But the game in France needs a bigger talent pool of professional and semi-pro players, which a 2nd SL club would bring.

What would also be wonderful for the French game is more SL clubs taking a punt on talent from across the channel. It could be argued that the increase in Kiwis playing for Australian RL clubs has been as much of a factor in the RWC and 4 Nations wins as the creation of The Warriors - there is now loads of eligible talent to pick from.

An Aussie referee like Tony Archer would be rubbing his hands with glee at the thought of Hock having a few disciplinary brainfarts. And, let's face it, whoever's announced as neutral ref for our next match against the Kangaroos, pressure will be brought to bear 'til an Aussie is inevitably handed the job.

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I dont think having the Catalans in Super League is only to aid the national team. In their own right a positive addition to the competition. A wider and richer profile.SL is now seen on French television and reported on in 'L'Equipe' - the national sports daily. The hope here is that Bein Sport TV will in time invest more & more in the game. Through Catalans the game has been played in Spain in 2009. That year the RFL congratulated themselves that their elite competition was being played in England, Wales, France, Scotland & Spain. The game needs to have more of that.

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Ouch! Bad luck.

I don't suppose it will make you feel any better if I tell you we rolled up 5 minutes before kick off and still got tickets for the East Stand.

Not really!

I ended up costing me £25-30 to watch half of the match in the pub. I left at halftime as I'd dressed for standing outside in Hull and ended up nearly falling asleep due to how warm I was in the pub!

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Not really!

I ended up costing me £25-30 to watch half of the match in the pub. I left at halftime as I'd dressed for standing outside in Hull and ended up nearly falling asleep due to how warm I was in the pub!

:) :)

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It was an okay game, but without the intensity or tension of a 'Big three' match-up. Here's hoping France learn from this match and up their game for the final. But the game in France needs a bigger talent pool of professional and semi-pro players, which a 2nd SL club would bring.

What would also be wonderful for the French game is more SL clubs taking a punt on talent from across the channel. It could be argued that the increase in Kiwis playing for Australian RL clubs has been as much of a factor in the RWC and 4 Nations wins as the creation of The Warriors - there is now loads of eligible talent to pick from.

An Aussie referee like Tony Archer would be rubbing his hands with glee at the thought of Hock having a few disciplinary brainfarts. And, let's face it, whoever's announced as neutral ref for our next match against the Kangaroos, pressure will be brought to bear 'til an Aussie is inevitably handed the job.

you are harry potter and i claim my £5, just where are these players going to come from??

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you are harry potter and i claim my £5, just where are these players going to come from??

I've been asking this question for months on several occasions, I've never got an answer.

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I'm not claiming that they will magically appear out of the aether, and it is deliberately disingenuous to claim that I am, but:

  • There are players of good quality who, for personal or political reasons, will not sign for Catalans. Anyone who follows the news from France on TRL knows about the rivalries and tribalism involved.
  • There are semi-pro players who would improve under a full-time professional régime. Catalans have done this already. Even if it is just in terms of fitness, a French team that can compete for 80 minutes without wilting will be a better team.
  • There will be imports, which we all know isn't ideal, but the new franchise will have to be pragmatic.
  • There are the young, up-and-coming players. Catalans can't afford to sign every promising youngster, and those that don't get picked will, if they are any good, end up being poached by Union.

The last point will take time, but the longer it is put off, the longer it will take to achieve. But, no doubt, it will take less than a season for the Jonahs to say "it isn't working, FACT". :rolleyes:

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Just on the way back from the game, thoughts......

5. The East Stand have some quality songs!

Thought the game lacked a bit of intensity and we were always going to win, but enjoyed seeing some live RL.

You're welcome! :)

We do make some daft stuff up. Personal favourite: 'You wat, you wat, you wat you wat you watkins!'.

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It was, indeed, a good day. The atmosphere in the Robin's Nest was bizarre! Overpowering smell of vanilla mixed with stale booze and sweaty B.O. - Weird!

Sympathy for brooza - a missed rail connection caused me to arrive with just seconds to spare.

The cleaners just threw a bucket of water over the flooring and now it is stale underneath. It stank of puke and has been noted!

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Also caught up with HKR Away Days in the bar before the game. The future of Hull KR and RL in general is in good shape if people with his enthusiasm are involved with the game, top lad.

Hi OF,

It was a pleasure to met you, John and Rob.

The Movember 'tashe is coming along, although it does need a bit of work. Will have to catch up with you for a pint in Cross Keys next season. All the best.

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