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This England side did not play today

1. Sam Tomkins

2. Tom Briscoe

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Jack Reed

5. Chris Riley

6. Gareth Widdop

7. Danny Brough

8. James Graham

9. James Roby

10. Luke Burgess

11. Ben Westwood

12. Chris Heighington

13. Sam Burgess

14. Rangi Chase/Danny McGuire/Jonny Lomax

15. Liam Farrell

16. Ben Harrison

17. Danny Houghton

Does this mean we have actually got some competition for places?

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This England side did not play today

1. Sam Tomkins

2. Tom Briscoe

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Jack Reed

5. Chris Riley

6. Gareth Widdop

7. Danny Brough

8. James Graham

9. James Roby

10. Luke Burgess

11. Ben Westwood

12. Chris Heighington

13. Sam Burgess

14. Rangi Chase/Danny McGuire/Jonny Lomax

15. Liam Farrell

16. Ben Harrison

17. Danny Houghton

Does this mean we have actually got some competition for places?

Add Ratchford to that list.

The depth of talent and competition for places is looking good, although the games against Australia and NZ will be the real test.

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This England side did not play today

1. Sam Tomkins

2. Tom Briscoe

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Jack Reed

5. Chris Riley

6. Gareth Widdop

7. Danny Brough

8. James Graham

9. James Roby

10. Luke Burgess

11. Ben Westwood

12. Chris Heighington

13. Sam Burgess

14. Rangi Chase/Danny McGuire/Jonny Lomax

15. Liam Farrell

16. Ben Harrison

17. Danny Houghton

Does this mean we have actually got some competition for places?

Yes.

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The headline sports item on the BBC national news just now: this game.

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Yes there is no doubt England could field 2 or 3 teams equally capable of losing to Australia.

We are in the period of denial that follows the period of navel gazing that follows the beatings.

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This England side did not play today

1. Sam Tomkins

2. Tom Briscoe

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Jack Reed

5. Chris Riley

6. Gareth Widdop

7. Danny Brough

8. James Graham

9. James Roby

10. Luke Burgess

11. Ben Westwood

12. Chris Heighington

13. Sam Burgess

14. Rangi Chase/Danny McGuire/Jonny Lomax

15. Liam Farrell

16. Ben Harrison

17. Danny Houghton

Does this mean we have actually got some competition for places?

Thats a pretty impressive team thats missing ,if i was a betting man i'd bet it would beat the England team that played today

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I am not sure how Chris Riley got into the first selection, but I agree we had plenty if talent not playing today. I am much more confident about our prospects after today. Sinny looked completely at home for once, and Watkins looked superb. Hardaker gives us something extra. He did appear to drop the only high ball that came his way, but I must have imagined that, because surely an England full back dropping a kick would have lead to page after page of comment.

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I am not sure how Chris Riley got into the first selection, but I agree we had plenty if talent not playing today. I am much more confident about our prospects after today. Sinny looked completely at home for once, and Watkins looked superb. Hardaker gives us something extra. He did appear to drop the only high ball that came his way, but I must have imagined that, because surely an England full back dropping a kick would have lead to page after page of comment.

Riley is only in there as he was in the Knights squad. Could have put in Broughton or Ratchford. What it shows is that when everyone is fit we are going to have to pick on form. I was really impressed with the guys that turned out today. If we can get the half-back combination right then we have potentially our best back line for 15+ years. Having Burgess, Westwood, Ellis and Hock fighting over back row places isn't too shabby either.

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Also i would add Crabtree to the above list of players who didn't play v Wales but would be an option for the top England squad.

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Also i would add Crabtree to the above list of players who didn't play v Wales but would be an option for the top England squad.

yeah forgot about him,obviously its doubtful all would be fit/available for the WC,but the pool of players SM has at his disposal is very encouraging

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Yes there is no doubt England could field 2 or 3 teams equally capable of losing to Australia.

We are in the period of denial that follows the period of navel gazing that follows the beatings.

Be fair, 10 years ago, we could have put 1 side out that would lose to Australia in the last 15 minutes and 2 that would lose to Australia in the first 15 minutes.

We now have 2 sides capable of losing to Australia in the last 15 minutes.

#Progress

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Be fair, 10 years ago, we could have put 1 side out that would lose to Australia in the last 15 minutes and 2 that would lose to Australia in the first 15 minutes.

We now have 2 sides capable of losing to Australia in the last 15 minutes.

#Progress

What about the previous 20 years that never won either?

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Why are you people even commenting? Either it's flat out trolling or you don't actually give a monkeys about these internationals

In either case why not sod off.

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Why are you people even commenting? Either it's flat out trolling or you don't actually give a monkeys about these internationals

In either case why not sod off.

I care about Internationals more than I do the club game. I don't live near a SL club so, for me, England is my team. This thread is to highlight how many tools McNamara now has at his disposal. If everyone is fit we have got our best squad since the early 1990s. This is good news - why make any more of it?

I can't wait for Saturday's game and hope France give England a fright. If they don't I will be rubbing my hands waiting for England to try and knock off the Aussies at Cardiff next October.

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i think our potential forward pack looks awesome, with players like Sam Burgess, James Graham, James Roby, Gareth Hock, Gareth Ellis, Sean O'Loughlin, Ben Westwood and Michael Mcilorum.. throw in support from the likes of Crabtree, Mossop, LMS, JJB, Luke Burgess, Chris Heighington..

We are looking in pretty good shape.. and in any other era we would be shouting from the rooftops about the potential of our backs too.. its only when you compare them to the awesome back line Australia has at its disposal that a few of their short falls become more apparent. That being said, i still think we have some awesome potential in our backs.

Sam Tomkins, Kallum Watkins and Tom Briscoe could be as good as any..

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For all the talk of Origin games, Exiles etc, as a way of testing the players, I'd genuinely like to see the side that didn't play against the side that did. Not likely to happen, but as an old-fashioned Probables v Possibles test trial it should shape up to be a cracker.

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As ever on the forum things are either brilliant or awful. England are never without hope against NZ and Aus despite what some people suggest, although we have under performed horrifically in recent years. That being said, we have played some guys are are some way off intentational pace (4N down under, Exiles). However, the performance against Wales was very good and very well balanced, with enough players who looked every bit international class. England can win the world cup on home soil, although this team would only be perhaps joint second favourites in the comp. A fully fit squad and a couple more players to step up to world class and we would be even better placed of course, and don't forget we only need to win two crunch games next year to lif the cup! Bring it on!

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As ever on the forum things are either brilliant or awful. England are never without hope against NZ and Aus despite what some people suggest, although we have under performed horrifically in recent years. That being said, we have played some guys are are some way off intentational pace (4N down under, Exiles). However, the performance against Wales was very good and very well balanced, with enough players who looked every bit international class. England can win the world cup on home soil, although this team would only be perhaps joint second favourites in the comp. A fully fit squad and a couple more players to step up to world class and we would be even better placed of course, and don't forget we only need to win two crunch games next year to lif the cup! Bring it on!

Agreed 100%.

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As ever on the forum things are either brilliant or awful. England are never without hope against NZ and Aus despite what some people suggest, although we have under performed horrifically in recent years. That being said, we have played some guys are are some way off intentational pace (4N down under, Exiles). However, the performance against Wales was very good and very well balanced, with enough players who looked every bit international class. England can win the world cup on home soil, although this team would only be perhaps joint second favourites in the comp. A fully fit squad and a couple more players to step up to world class and we would be even better placed of course, and don't forget we only need to win two crunch games next year to lif the cup! Bring it on!

If England are to really challenge in the WC the first choice team hopefully will bear little resemblance to the one aginst Wales - If that team takes the field against the Aussies or Kiwi's they're in for a real hammering.

Tomkins is a cert for the full back role you would think, We've got a choice of some decent wingers to compete with the best in Hall, Briscoe & Charnley. Watkins is the only centre in the current squad with the potential to match it with the best but seriously needs to work on his defence, and you would think Reed would be the logical choice for the other. Forget about the halves we have no-one anywhere near International class and the chance on unearthing anyone in the next 12 months is unlikely.

If England are to really stand a chance they need to play to their strenghts which for me is the pack. Burgess, Roby, Graham, Ellis, Westwood, Hock, Crabtree, O'Loughlin can all match it with the best the other nations can put out and Hill looks like he's ready to take that next step up as well

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We have Widdop who is international class.

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This may be controversial, but I'm actually feeling quite confident about next year. I'm sure that we can make it to the final, and possibly even win

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We have Widdop who is international class.

I wouldn't say he is just yet. He's had 2 pretty good seasons at the Storm as a 1st team regular but the role he has there is likely to be somewhat different to the one he may have to play for England. Smith & Cronk do all the organising & kicking at the storm and Widdop is very much a link & support player. He hasn't successfully managed to take on those extra responsibilities for the storm at Origin time so it remains to be seen whether he can do it for England.

Having said that he would still be my 1st choice for the number 6 shirt

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