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Gareth Hock....future in Oz?

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With the better players playing in Oz, more players will get a chance to play Superleague. The clubs need to be encouraged to develop and play British players to increase the player pool for England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland. The more Brits playing in Oz is a very good thing in my opinion. No down side at all.

The local fans do not get to see the best players is not a down side?

If all of the Kangaroo side move to English Clubs you would see a definite backlash from the Aussie public and ratings and gates would drop.

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The local fans do not get to see the best players is not a down side?

They would watch new players play for their team and, possibly, new stars. If they wanted to watch the "best" players they'd have to watch the International games, increasing crowds and media interest in the Greatest Game! See, no down side!

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The local fans do not get to see the best players is not a down side?

If all of the Kangaroo side move to English Clubs you would see a definite backlash from the Aussie public and ratings and gates would drop.

are'nt fans supposed to support the team? not a certain player?

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are'nt fans supposed to support the team? not a certain player?

The team is made up of players.

If all the best players get developed then leave it will hardly create new fans.

All fans want a successful team and want to see the best players possible play for their team especially locally produced players.

If Tomkins quits Wigan will none of the fans care either way?

Why do kids (and some adults) wear Club shirts with their favourite players names on the back?

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If Tomkins quits Wigan will none of the fans care either way?

If he left Wigan for union fans would care as a very good player would be lost to our game. If he left for the NRL most would understand although Wigan fans wouldn't be over the moon about it but I doubt Wigan will lose any fans over it.

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If he left Wigan for union fans would care as a very good player would be lost to our game. If he left for the NRL most would understand although Wigan fans wouldn't be over the moon about it but I doubt Wigan will lose any fans over it.

But if as a Club you lose the best players you start winning less and losing more, then the fans walk in many cases.

Its great that some good players are having a go in the NRL but I think it may lead to a mediocre SL that becomes something like the Qld Cup where its just one of the Nurseries that the NRL will cherry pick any decent player on less money than they have to pay a name player in Oz.

Can SL sustain itself in the long term when the better players move overseas?

I don't know if it can.

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But if as a Club you lose the best players you start winning less and losing more, then the fans walk in many cases.

Its great that some good players are having a go in the NRL but I think it may lead to a mediocre SL that becomes something like the Qld Cup where its just one of the Nurseries that the NRL will cherry pick any decent player on less money than they have to pay a name player in Oz.

Can SL sustain itself in the long term when the better players move overseas?

I don't know if it can.

That's a fair point, although not always the case (as in Wigan's great escape a few years back where crowds increased). We do need some way to energise the competition, and hopefully keep some of our stars. Sadly I don't think we can do that without raising the cap, which I think most clubs would sadly object to.

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bleeding hell.......the sky is'nt gonna fall because a team may lose a player or 2 to the NRL lmao

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bleeding hell.......the sky is'nt gonna fall because a team may lose a player or 2 to the NRL lmao

If all teams lose their best player, and the top teams lose two or three, it will be really bad. The RFL and clubs will really have to work hard to not appear as if they're a feeder league for RU and the NRL.

That will effect sponsorship, crowds and eventually TV figures.

Not the end of the world but it could be pretty bad.

But of course that would be the levelling down the playing field many teams want!

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are'nt fans supposed to support the team? not a certain player?

No, that's RU.

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If all teams lose their best player, and the top teams lose two or three, it will be really bad. The RFL and clubs will really have to work hard to not appear as if they're a feeder league for RU and the NRL.

That will effect sponsorship, crowds and eventually TV figures.

Not the end of the world but it could be pretty bad.

But of course that would be the levelling down the playing field many teams want!

all the teams are'nt going to lose their best players.....christ stop with all the doom mongering lol

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bleeding hell.......the sky is'nt gonna fall because a team may lose a player or 2 to the NRL lmao

Well everything starts somewhere and momentum can be hard to stop.

NRL get significant increase in their salary Cap.

Up to four new teams brought into the NRL in the next six years which will generate the need for 100 additional first grade players.

Maybe the flood gates will stay locked or perhaps the NRL Clubs may only want the 20 or so better players.

I think its a worry though.

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no.....its a worry if we lose players to union......sending players to the NRL should be welcomed...

also the NRL are'nt bringing upto 4 new teams in lol...they actually put a block on any new teams last week...

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all the teams are'nt going to lose their best players.....christ stop with all the doom mongering lol

Even the lower teams are losing players, Chase is going, Wakey could well have given Tim Smith a longer contract so if the NRL come sniffing they'll at least get decent compensation, Bradford have lost Ainsough and Burgess. Wigan have lost Luluie, Finch, Hock and possibly Sam (admittedly better than losing him to union but still), and from the rumours I've heard Mossop at the end of next season.

Thats just off the top of my head. Their are others as well, and the extra money hasn't started filtering down through the NRL yet!

Once a organisation has been asset stripped (since we don't have immediate equal replacements) the whole competition is devalued.

I'm not saying this is the death knell of RL, but the marketing people have to find some way to re-energise the competition afterwards.

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no.....its a worry if we lose players to union......sending players to the NRL should be welcomed...

also the NRL are'nt bringing upto 4 new teams in lol...they actually put a block on any new teams last week...

No, the ARLC commission said..

ARLC chairman John Grant last week delivered expansion groups a body blow saying expansion talk was off the table until the end of 2014.

It means several consortiums across Australia and in PNG would be unlikely to be up and running until 2017.

A team in Perth and another team in Brisbane is inevitable, then there is Rockhampton, Central Coast, PNG or Adelaide.

A 20 team comp would be a perfect fit.

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Even the lower teams are losing players, Chase is going, Wakey could well have given Tim Smith a longer contract so if the NRL come sniffing they'll at least get decent compensation, Bradford have lost Ainsough and Burgess. Wigan have lost Luluie, Finch, Hock and possibly Sam (admittedly better than losing him to union but still), and from the rumours I've heard Mossop at the end of next season.

Thats just off the top of my head. Their are others as well, and the extra money hasn't started filtering down through the NRL yet!

Once a organisation has been asset stripped (since we don't have immediate equal replacements) the whole competition is devalued.

I'm not saying this is the death knell of RL, but the marketing people have to find some way to re-energise the competition afterwards.

chase has just signed a new deal at cas..

tim smith,Luluie & finch are'nt english so who cares

and sam tomkins has become the highest paid player in british RL are a result of wigan not wanting him to goto union...

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No, the ARLC commission said..

ARLC chairman John Grant last week delivered expansion groups a body blow saying expansion talk was off the table until the end of 2014.

It means several consortiums across Australia and in PNG would be unlikely to be up and running until 2017.

A team in Perth and another team in Brisbane is inevitable, then there is Rockhampton, Central Coast, PNG or Adelaide.

A 20 team comp would be a perfect fit.

wtf you worrying about something for that might not happen for 5 years?? lol

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chase has just signed a new deal at cas..

tim smith,Luluie & finch are'nt english so who cares

and sam tomkins has become the highest paid player in british RL are a result of wigan not wanting him to goto union...

Doesn't matter whether they are English or not, since the replacements will be of lesser quality the point still stands, the standard of play will go down.

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We just don't know what the knock on effects will be, and no one knows who will be enticed to the NRL with its vast riches. The exchange rate will remain a major factor - we are currently looking at a double whammy of exchange rate and a massive new deal.

I strongly suspect that there are a number of wealthier clubs who will press for a smaller SL 1 and a much higher cap. Which will mitigate the damage caused.

We could also end up with a 2 tier SL, which I would welcome, together with a much stronger national team, which could have far greater positive effects than the loss of a couple of players per club.

I would not under estimate the ability of the likes of Moran, Lenigan and McManus to respond to any crisis in a way that ensured the continuing strength of our game.

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We just don't know what the knock on effects will be, and no one knows who will be enticed to the NRL with its vast riches. The exchange rate will remain a major factor - we are currently looking at a double whammy of exchange rate and a massive new deal.

I strongly suspect that there are a number of wealthier clubs who will press for a smaller SL 1 and a much higher cap. Which will mitigate the damage caused.

We could also end up with a 2 tier SL, which I would welcome, together with a much stronger national team, which could have far greater positive effects than the loss of a couple of players per club.

I would not under estimate the ability of the likes of Moran, Lenigan and McManus to respond to any crisis in a way that ensured the continuing strength of our game.

Spot on.

Back on topic, Hock would be awesome in the NRL, and he would be missed badly by Wigan next year.

Simples?

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Spot on.

Back on topic, Hock would be awesome in the NRL, and he would be missed badly by Wigan next year.

Simples?

No one seems to be looking at this from Hock's point of view. He's got a chance to put his past well and truly behind him, live and play in Sydney and test himself in the best league (either code) in the world. I think he would go really well if he can reign his temper in.

Wigan stood by Hock as it was in their own best interests as proven with his performances this year. No loyalty is owed for the "drug ban situation" however his remaining contract with Wigan should be honoured unless the club are happy for him to go.

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a 29 year old ex drugs cheat leaving a club for a hefty transfer fee.........................good business in my eyes

i like gareth hock....he's a excellent player,he'll be even better for going to the NRL,it'll make england better too.............but if it was a wigan fan i'd look at his age and look at the transfer fee.....................and wish him good luck...........and look to the future and use the money to bring through the next stars.

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FFS I didn't say its wrong. How many fooking times I've said he'll leave them in the poo....

Calm down dear.

Wigan will not be left in the poo just because he goes.

They can and will replace him.

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The NRL have now got massive funds and their League isn't expanding for maybe four to five years yet.

In that time I do feel that Union players will make themselves available to the NRL.

Aussie junior Union players may well wish to switch codes if the bigger money is in League.

Across the Tasman there are endless numbers of quality Union players, especially halves and backs, who may well look at League for the same monetary reasons. Another NRL club in NZ would easily fill their squad with the salaries that are going to be paid.

Then there's the South African Union players. They may well fancy their chances too as the exchange rate would be massively to the players favour and their club's disadvantage. French Union has the big money but the NRL may well rival them.

Most of the SL players going to the NRL are forwards. Tommy Leuluai is the only one I can immediately think of who isn't a forward. They don't appear to want any of our backs, although Sam Tomkins could be an exception.

The Burgess's, Graham, Ellis and Morley, now maybe Hock. If our backs will go anywhere it will be Union as in Ashton, Joel T, Pryce and Lee Smith.

It is not an urgent problem but one that needs to be looked at with a view to addressing in the next 12 to 18 months.

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Is it a given he'll be given a visa after his ban? Or do such things not get considered and/or effect the process?

Good point but seems your comments been overlooked.

I also wondered about his drugs ban (cocaine) making it difficult for him to get to work in Aus, or even get in?

Anyone got any ideas?

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