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Dureau will qualify for France next year

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Just wondering if Dureau will qualify for France in time for the World Cup? He has been first class for Catalans and could really steer the French around the park.

France will never improve until they get dominant half-backs playing for them. Kicking game was really poor today and it costs them tonnes of metres per game. When Bosc is the only man - he is a target for the defence.

If we can pick Rangi Chase etc. then France would be silly not to approach Dureau IMO.

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If Pelissier can make himself into a starting hooker that would make a big difference too. France's ruck speed with Bentley at 9 was not nearly quick enough to trouble England, but at times they looked decent when Pelissier was on.

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If Pelissier can make himself into a starting hooker that would make a big difference too. France's ruck speed with Bentley at 9 was not nearly quick enough to trouble England, but at times they looked decent when Pelissier was on.

I agree. Pelissier should get far more game time. He really troubles teams when he comes on because he is a running threat to defences. Bosc is just too exposed playing there - he needs some support.

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great way to improve the french national team........................just ship in antipodeans!! at least wales picked the vast majority of their team from WELSH born players.

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great way to improve the french national team........................just ship in antipodeans!! at least wales picked the vast majority of their team from WELSH born players.

Definitely a great way to improve the French team ans at the same time give England some meaningful opposition.

There haven't been many antipodeans in the French team ever. Currently fewer than in England's first choice team.

Were there no Englishmen in the Wales team over the last few years?

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i am sure i said the VAST MAJORITY of the welsh team this year were actually welsh!! and no i don't agree with england picking antipodeans either apart from gareth widdop who is born and bred english anyway.

the argument to having a french team in super league was to improve the quality of the french national team, not draft in antipodeans like some are advocating for the future!!

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But everyone else is doing it so they would be silly not to take advantage of the rules.

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Out of that French team today if you took out Bosc, Pelissier, Casty and Elima you have a Championship quality side.

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so where is the improvement that catalans being in super league was supposed to bring???????

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so where is the improvement that catalans being in super league was supposed to bring???????

I answered this on another thread. What would the score have been yesterday had England played a fully part-time France who flew over the day before because everyone was at work all week? Bosc, Casty and Pellisier etc. would probably be playing RU if it wasn't for Catalns. Having 20-25 full-time French players has kept them in the hunt - even though they are still off the pace - and given young players a career path. It is now a necessity to take it on to the next level by giving France a pool of 40-50 full-time players to pick from.

France are currently having to pick players who have played less than half a dozen first grade games in the national team. Could you imagine a third of the England side being picked from the Championship or SL novices?

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Dureau is an ethnic French name in any event. He might qualify through the grandparent rule. However, he might feel that he is in with a chance of being picked for Australia and so hold off on declaring for France.

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There are one or two other top class players in the French game. Fakir, for example. Also I don't know what happened to Baile who always seemed to look good to me when I saw him.

I think the SL has given an opportunity for those players to develop into top class players and another team would allow others the opportunity to develop as well. The Catalans play a lot of non French players, but they have to balance being competitive with developing French players.

How else will the French develop without having professional teams?

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There are one or two other top class players in the French game. Fakir, for example. Also I don't know what happened to Baile who always seemed to look good to me when I saw him.

I think the SL has given an opportunity for those players to develop into top class players and another team would allow others the opportunity to develop as well. The Catalans play a lot of non French players, but they have to balance being competitive with developing French players.

How else will the French develop without having professional teams?

This. Think of a young kid growing up in the Toulouse area. If there is a full-time RL career path on your door step you might think about joining a junior club if your game is more suited to RL. You can dream of playing at Old Trafford or Wembley. If not, you just roll up at Toulouse RU and get dazzled by the Heineken Cup etc.

The potential French internationals of 5-10 years time may not even be thinking of playing RL at this moment.

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so where is the improvement that catalans being in super league was supposed to bring???????

Are you trying to say that the French haven't improved?

Was you expecting them to be world beaters with only a handful of starting SL players, another handful of fringe SL players, and a final handful of part time players?

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And how could French RL sustain a second SL Club?

Because they have money, a playing pool, a stadium, supporters...

Are you putting the cart before the horse and expecting then to have quality players BEFORE they've got enough teams?!

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Dureau is an ethnic French name in any event. He might qualify through the grandparent rule. However, he might feel that he is in with a chance of being picked for Australia and so hold off on declaring for France.

At 26 and with another 3+ years on his contract at Catalans he won't be playing in Origin or for the Kangaroos anytime soon.

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At 26 and with another 3+ years on his contract at Catalans he won't be playing in Origin or for the Kangaroos anytime soon.

Ok, I can't dispute that. In which case it's good news for France.

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So England beat France comfortably (without murdering them by any stretch), in a game in England, with a referee who favoured England, in which France had three players taken off. This naturally means that anything the Catalans have done is in vain, and the French game is dead.

Good of RL fans not to jerk the knee.

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I just can't see a reason now why Toulouse shouldn't be in super league. Another 10 potential French full time players and the England score line is reduced by 15 points at least. Put it in France and we may have a test match.

I love how super league clubs are taking the best welsh kids on board now, if it continues and we have a Toulouse in super league then what a tri nations we could have on the BBC.

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Are you trying to say that the French haven't improved?

Was you expecting them to be world beaters with only a handful of starting SL players, another handful of fringe SL players, and a final handful of part time players?

the freanch are as poor as they were pre 2005, the whole point put forward by all the experts on this forum was that a french super league team would make the national team more competetive! clearly hasn't worked has it wellsey...........................all catalans have done is to provide a rest home for antipodeans and they even bent the rules to get ben fisher over there on "loan" from batley.

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the freanch are as poor as they were pre 2005, the whole point put forward by all the experts on this forum was that a french super league team would make the national team more competetive! clearly hasn't worked has it wellsey...........................all catalans have done is to provide a rest home for antipodeans and they even bent the rules to get ben fisher over there on "loan" from batley.

I don't think that's right at all. The French have produced some decent RL players in the last few years. If there hadn't been a French SL side I think the French game would be far far weaker.

I think some of the top players like Ferriol are retiring though and they seem to have struggled to bring through the next generation of players. Another team would give more players a chance.

France will continue to struggle internationally until it has a larger pool of players playing professionally at the top level, but it's not going to happen overnight.

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10 - 15 years ago the game in France was moribund, non-existent almost, key players moving to union in droves and it is a tribute to lovers of the game everywhere that it is still alive and indeed growing and improving. In my opinion, Catalans have played a key role in increasing the profile of the game amongst believers and non believers alike.

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10 - 15 years ago the game in France was moribund, non-existent almost, key players moving to union in droves and it is a tribute to lovers of the game everywhere that it is still alive and indeed growing and improving. In my opinion, Catalans have played a key role in increasing the profile of the game amongst believers and non believers alike.

Would agree with the increasing of the profile of RL though it has had little impact on the French team in terms of results. France in autumn internationals have looked sloppy and made too many mistakes and there is a question mark over the standard of coaching in France. Improving that would arguably have a bigger impact than more French SL clubs.

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the freanch are as poor as they were pre 2005,

I disagree.

the whole point put forward by all the experts on this forum was that a french super league team would make the national team more competetive! clearly hasn't worked has it wellsey...........................

It wasn't "the whole point" at all. It was just one point.

I love it when people try and dismiss things by over exaggerating the reasons behind it, like "the whole point if franchising was to stop clubs going bust/increase crowds/produce youngsters/cure cancel/feed the poor..."

What about increase RL's profile in France? Increase sponsorship? Improve crowd averages? Increase the playing pool? I could go on...

all catalans have done is to provide a rest home for antipodeans and they even bent the rules to get ben fisher over there on "loan" from batley.

Didn't Widnes start with about 11 overseas players this season?

I've counted 8 so far in Catalans, and one Englishman.

Keep trying...

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