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Looks like the natives are getting restless

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Was flicking through this months RLW at the train station today and saw the article on summer rugby. Was interesting to see the comment from the chairman of Crigglestone All Blacks speaking out against summer rugby. It was slightly ironic to read it, as most of his club's players and coach played for Walton in the summer league this year, and Crigg are struggling now they are back in the "rugby season" to put a team out on the pitch.

Whenever you play, it will not always suit some people, but it is difficult to believe that the coming generation of players, brought up on summer rugby, would choose to play in the winter over summer in this country.

South Wakefield Sharks where based at Crig, why did they fold after one summer season (2004)?

Lets be right, Walton failed to run a stand alone team themselves and now have a city and it's surrounding areas to draw a team from for the summer.

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south wakefield folded because the players (me included) couldn't be ar$ed playing back to back for 4 seasons (winter, summer, winter, summer). however, crigglestones problems struggling to put out a team this season are more deep rooted than a summer/winter debate, and one of the many reasons i left the club.

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south wakefield folded because the players (me included) couldn't be ar$ed playing back to back for 4 seasons (winter, summer, winter, summer). however, crigglestones problems struggling to put out a team this season are more deep rooted than a summer/winter debate, and one of the many reasons i left the club.

Not sure about the problems but they seem to go hand in hand at a lot of clubs including my own up to about 8 years ago.

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Didn't South Wakefield Sharks play 2 seasons (2004 and 2005)?

Thinking back they may have done as we where moved into the North Midlands division and lost touch with Yorkshire for a few seasons.

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yeah we did thinking back, although in 2005 we were already struggling for numbers. that were the season we went to wetherby and lost 66-1 lol

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You'll be on my side soon as more and more changes by the RFL eat into all your hars work, It wouldn't surprise me if all your players who are involved with service areas/academies don't get sent to Hillsborough Hawks very soon. (This was a RFL plan a few years ago but amateur clubs didn't likr it, but now the MOU's have been signed the amateurs have lost control of their own destiny)

That definitely won't happen - Hillsborough Hawks I mean.

There may well be a tier 3 club with some connections to Sheffield though. This has already been discussed on here, though not in any detail (think it was in the NCL3 thread)

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That definitely won't happen - Hillsborough Hawks I mean.

Check out Hillsborough's under 17s team sheets over the next few weeks.

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Check out Hillsborough's under 17s team sheets over the next few weeks.

Tim maybe you can understand why some BARLA rules that seemed a little strange at times & anti productive where in force, these rules where never introduced directly by the BARLA committee but came from a democratic vote from the shop floor to protect smaller clubs from the jaws of the elite building clubs.

Take a look and the people on here who are banging the drum for the RFL and then check which clubs they are involved with and which clubs are benefitting from the elite squad building, I'm sure you will find a link :rolleyes:

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Tim maybe you can understand why some BARLA rules that seemed a little strange at times & anti productive where in force, these rules where never introduced directly by the BARLA committee but came from a democratic vote from the shop floor to protect smaller clubs from the jaws of the elite building clubs.

Take a look and the people on here who are banging the drum for the RFL and then check which clubs they are involved with and which clubs are benefitting from the elite squad building, I'm sure you will find a link :rolleyes:

True Jim, but the league in question has rules in place to prevent mass transfers and will be ignoring them. The league is BARLA through and through and is not engaging at all with the new Youth and Junior Group.

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True Jim, but the league in question has rules in place to prevent mass transfers and will be ignoring them. The league is BARLA through and through and is not engaging at all with the new Youth and Junior Group.

Who is the chairman of the league in Question and which clubs are the controlling committee involved with?

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Who is the chairman of the league in Question and which clubs are the controlling committee involved with?

Who does Chair the Yorkshire Combination? It used to be Carole Land didnt it?

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Who does Chair the Yorkshire Combination? It used to be Carole Land didnt it?

Just checked and it still is Carole, what league are ND Chargers playing in?

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Just checked and it still is Carole, what league are ND Chargers playing in?

Yorkshire Juniors. Neither the YJL nor the RFL can stop the players going to the other league, and indeed coming back again next year.

The whole thing is very hard to explain to parents from non-heartland areas who are new to the sport. They have received confusing and mixed messages and all they see is people bickering, some rules being applied in a very draconian way and others being ignored - not good for the sport.

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Yorkshire Juniors. Neither the YJL nor the RFL can stop the players going to the other league, and indeed coming back again next year.

The whole thing is very hard to explain to parents from non-heartland areas who are new to the sport. They have received confusing and mixed messages and all they see is people bickering, some rules being applied in a very draconian way and others being ignored - not good for the sport.

I feel for you and your committee Tim, we've had it for years and once these players have been used it's rare many of them filter straight back into the amateur game, I'm sure you will know why this is happening now when it didn't before don't you?

It's all bad for the game and a blind man without an ego could have predicted this happening at all levels within the amateur game as soon as the RFL started bribing egos in one area of the game before moving onto the next, from what I'm hearing some of these egos need to have a reality check before they end up like Jericho.

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The Youth and Junior game is almost unanimously behind the summer change - whilst understanding there is work to do this isn't a big issue. There are still significant problems with the link to the performance pathway that requires some action otherwise a major bust up could be on the cards.

The thing that should be central to all this is the young players themselves. In all the hoo-ha I've examined my own motivations to make sure I wasn't also taking a position simply to boost my own ego or take a damaging stance for the sake of it. Having now talked to people in the community game from all areas of the country and with a lot of experience I am not sure we have, as game, reached a good position. The real solution is a long way away - that is, to focus on the U6-U9 age group and drastically increase the numbers playing at that level. This will lead to a bigger player pool at 16-18 in about 10 years time, which means we have higher quantity and quality for the performance level to choose from. If they persist in simply "taking" from the community game now there may be no source of players for them in the future. Long term strategic thinking and rugby league are not often heard in the same sentence. Unless the words "has no" are in the middle.

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Didn't South Wakefield Sharks play 2 seasons (2004 and 2005)?

Yep they did play for two seasons. First season the team was run by a couple of lads with links to the police and that was where they expected to get the players from. After a few weeks those players dropped off and Crigg players filled the gap. Second season it was basically Crigg's summer team, with a few other lads who played for other Wakefield winter clubs, Normanton, Eastmoor & Westgate for example.

It was actually quite a good step between Crigg's U18s and winter open age rugby (apart from the Wetherby game!!!!). Several of Crigg's open age players cut their teeth in that competition.

Ultimately there were too few players to play both winter and summer. There was no guarantee the third summer season could be fully completed, so the team was pulled before the season started, rather than take the risk of folding mid-season.

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south wakefield folded because the players (me included) couldn't be ar$ed playing back to back for 4 seasons (winter, summer, winter, summer). however, crigglestones problems struggling to put out a team this season are more deep rooted than a summer/winter debate, and one of the many reasons i left the club.

Yeah Stu the problems at Crigg aren't to do with summer rugby. They're much more fundamental than that. The failure of the club to run a summer team to represent the Wakefield area (which Walton have tried to do this year) actually illustrate some of the problems at Crigg.

They should be one of the best clubs in the Wakefield area, the land and facilities it has at its disposal are the envy of many other local clubs, but unfortunately there's not much sign of that potential being realized. Still that was the case with Wakey Trinity for years, and they seem to have finally turned the corner now they've got new owners, so maybe there's hope for Crigg yet. :rolleyes:

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The Youth and Junior game is almost unanimously behind the summer change - whilst understanding there is work to do this isn't a big issue. There are still significant problems with the link to the performance pathway that requires some action otherwise a major bust up could be on the cards.

The thing that should be central to all this is the young players themselves. In all the hoo-ha I've examined my own motivations to make sure I wasn't also taking a position simply to boost my own ego or take a damaging stance for the sake of it. Having now talked to people in the community game from all areas of the country and with a lot of experience I am not sure we have, as game, reached a good position. The real solution is a long way away - that is, to focus on the U6-U9 age group and drastically increase the numbers playing at that level. This will lead to a bigger player pool at 16-18 in about 10 years time, which means we have higher quantity and quality for the performance level to choose from. If they persist in simply "taking" from the community game now there may be no source of players for them in the future. Long term strategic thinking and rugby league are not often heard in the same sentence. Unless the words "has no" are in the middle.

Over the next couple of years we should see the whole of the junior/youth game move to summer. That'll make it easier to ensure that one club doesn't nick a load of players from another club as you've described.

As we get to grips with summer rugby at a junior level, it'll also make it easier to focus on both the very junior end you talk about, but also the girls game, which outside schools is virtually non-existent in most places once girls stop playing in mixed teams after year 6.

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The Youth and Junior game is almost unanimously behind the summer change - whilst understanding there is work to do this isn't a big issue. There are still significant problems with the link to the performance pathway that requires some action otherwise a major bust up could be on the cards.

The thing that should be central to all this is the young players themselves. In all the hoo-ha I've examined my own motivations to make sure I wasn't also taking a position simply to boost my own ego or take a damaging stance for the sake of it. Having now talked to people in the community game from all areas of the country and with a lot of experience I am not sure we have, as game, reached a good position. The real solution is a long way away - that is, to focus on the U6-U9 age group and drastically increase the numbers playing at that level. This will lead to a bigger player pool at 16-18 in about 10 years time, which means we have higher quantity and quality for the performance level to choose from. If they persist in simply "taking" from the community game now there may be no source of players for them in the future. Long term strategic thinking and rugby league are not often heard in the same sentence. Unless the words "has no" are in the middle.

Excellent post. There is an element of indecision that now exists at grass roots clubs due to the summer or winter question. Positive guidance is needed. The timing of simply " taking " from the community game to support the the elite pathway is causing disruption especially when it is done in the age-old clandestine manner.

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