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I'll bow to her judgement given that she'll clearly have more direct experience than me. What I had observed though is a near-universal slowing down and giving space in a way that simply doen't happen for anybody else.

she will admit herself that the small percentage of idiots create a lasting impression which far outweighs that of the careful and courteous majority but she does say that far too often she gets cars going too fast/near the horses and even approaching from behind and hitting their horn which must be a special order of ######wittery.

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Cyclists are among the most vulnerable of road users

I think you may have hit on something there! I am sure you teach this to your charges but it would be great if all motorists were to realise this and behave accordingly.

I am guessing here, but i would say about 99% of them have taken no training before riding on a road.

maybe this will help:

In 2009, three years ago, Cycle England, the organisation that will run the government scheme, quoted 51% of mothers as saying they had done cycling proficiency as a child. However, just 25% of children now receive formal training

I learned through the Cycling Proficiency Test. What did you do?

To be honest, given the huge amount of time, effort and money that goes into training drivers and the effectiveness of such training on the accident statistics, , I don't see the logic in training cyclists.

By the way, you opposed my suggestion to train all drivers how to cycle but now you want everyone else to learn.

Very few wear any type of protective clothing or helmet.

Why should they? Why don't car drivers try not killing cyclists?

Even fewer drivers wear protective clothing or helmets despite the fact that over 25,000 of them suffer serious injuries each year

If they ride in a way that puts them into extreme danger questions have to be asked.

Given the state of our roads and the appalling level of driving, your best option would be to ban cycling.

But lets just blame everyone and not look at the bigger picture.

I'm certainly not blaming everyone. I'm blaming those motorists that kill and injure cyclists

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she will admit herself that the small percentage of idiots create a lasting impression which far outweighs that of the careful and courteous majority but she does say that far too often she gets cars going too fast/near the horses and even approaching from behind and hitting their horn which must be a special order of ######wittery.

Appalling. Round here, there are not many horses, but those that there are are generally given a wide berth and I do thing that is because drivers are concerned about a horse/car collision. Again, I am sure GuesssWho teaches his charges how to drive when there are horses about.

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the "######wittery" of motorists

That's the key point in a nutshell to me, although not just limiting it to motorists; cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders can be as bad. In many, if not most cases such as those mentioned in this thread, this is what has caused the incident.

What would help the innocent road users that have to suffer such road users however would be to always assume that everyone else out there is a ######wit and ride/cycle/walk/drive accordingly. That way they stand the best chance possible of avoiding an incident of someone elses making.

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I was behind a car yesterday morning west of Hull, national speed limit road, we were coming up to a cyclist on the left with double white lines down the middle of a narrow road. A car was coming the other way just at the time the driver in front reached the cyclist. He didn't even bother braking, overtook the cyclist whilst remaining the correct side of the double white lines, missing the cyclist by about 18 inches. It seemed it was more important to him to observe the road markings than risk wiping out the cyclist.

Melton Bottom by any chance?

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What proportion of motorcycle accidents don't involve any other vehicle at all?

I ask because an old schoolfriend of mine was killed a few years back when he rode his motorbike at very high speed into a roundabout. Noone else involved.

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What proportion of motorcycle accidents don't involve any other vehicle at all?

I ask because an old schoolfriend of mine was killed a few years back when he rode his motorbike at very high speed into a roundabout. Noone else involved.

Quite high IIRC, although what proportion of those are caused by motorcyclists having to make evasive manourves to avoid other road uers, I don't know. Like any other road using group, some motorcyclists are sadly a danger to themselves and others. :(

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Useful motorbike stuff here: http://www.bikelawye...dent-statistics

Fatal accidents often involve the motorcycle running off the road (41% of fatalities). These are often late at night, weekend crashes involving a drunken motorcyclist

Failing to look properly was the most frequent cause of crashes for all vehicles except motorcycles.

Motorcyclists were most likely to crash through ‘loss of control’ and also most likely to be the victim of someone else failing to look.

The figures also show that 48% of crashes between motorcycles and cars were the result of the car driver failing to look properly.

Recent European research reveals that nearly 70% of motorcycle accidents involved a car, lorry or bus and that approximately 55% of accidents occur at junctions.

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Just as I'm starting to feel sorry for cyclists, I get a lunatic coming towards me on the way to work tonight...in the dark with no lights....on the wrong side of the road. (ie coming towards me)

But to show balance I also had a car pull out on me at a roundabout...at exactly the same time someone pulled out on him. Much beeping of horns and he drove off following the car that pulled out on him.

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Just to keep the moaning going, I had to shout at two pedestrians (separate incidents) to stop them stepping out into my path on my ride to work this morning. Both had headphones on whether that means anything.

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Melton Bottom by any chance?

An extremely accurate guess born out of bitter experience, I imagine.

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Phil i fully agree with you.

But can you please explain, why you were riding/driving so close to parked cars?

Sorry mate but this is getting tiresome. You've made it perfectly clear what your profession is and I respect that and also your experience.

But a parked car is an inanimate object. You may well expect a car door to open if it has only just pulled up but what if it's been parked a while before the driver gets out or what if the windows are sufficiently blacked out so the cyclist couldn't see any movement from within.

You have a pop at a poster on here with "must be great to live in a perfect world" or something similar but if we did, then every cyclist could give parked vehicles a wide berth without any problems. But it's impatient motorists that make this so difficult.

Given that you're a driving instructor, frankly I'm amazed at the stance you take on this issue.

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And the several numptys I have encountered driving home in the passing rain have swung it back in the cyclists favour.

When did driving with only one headlight become acceptable? Its rife

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When did driving with only one headlight become acceptable? Its rife

This is bugging me a lot at the minute. It seems to be one car in ten round here.

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This is bugging me a lot at the minute. It seems to be one car in ten round here.

I've done it a couple of times recently, sadly. Once upon a time, changing a bulb was easy. With many cars nowadays, it's somewhat more difficult: I need to remove half of the air intake on one side, and the washer bottle on the other to gain the necessary access to the back of the headlights. Consequently, it's not something that I can do in the dark, which means it has to wait until daylight to get done. Not ideal, but needs must for a limited time.

I have however found an increasing trend this year for driving in the dark/at dusk//in fog/in heavy rain with no lights whatsoever. No that is annoying & dangerous!

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I've done it a couple of times recently, sadly. Once upon a time, changing a bulb was easy. With many cars nowadays, it's somewhat more difficult: I need to remove half of the air intake on one side, and the washer bottle on the other to gain the necessary access to the back of the headlights. Consequently, it's not something that I can do in the dark, which means it has to wait until daylight to get done. Not ideal, but needs must for a limited time.

I have however found an increasing trend this year for driving in the dark/at dusk//in fog/in heavy rain with no lights whatsoever. No that is annoying & dangerous!

Even allowing for people who are going to sort it in the morning there does seem to be a very high number of cars this applies to!

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Even allowing for people who are going to sort it in the morning there does seem to be a very high number of cars this applies to!

I'm not disagreeing with your point at all, it might explain some though. This I mean, is just lunacy. Basic maintainence should be straighforward to carry out, and car manufacturers should have to make it so!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/nov/01/car-motoring-headlight-bulb-renault

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Even allowing for people who are going to sort it in the morning there does seem to be a very high number of cars this applies to!

Its called "The Lincolnshire Squint" You are allowed to have either just one working headlamp or two working headlamps as long as one of them is not fitted correctly so it looks as though it is on main beam. It is also compulsory to have your front foglights on all the time. Being a cyclist, I see now that it is all my fault.

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I'm not saying it's right. But for those who don't have the tools/knowledge to replace headlights, it may be an expense they are putting off, then putting off again in these straightened times. Especially when some modern cars seem to need so much stuff removed just to change a bulb.

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There is a valid reason why it is done like that..

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An extremely accurate guess born out of bitter experience, I imagine.

Aye, for some reason a disproportionately high number of drivers drive dangerously along that stretch.

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I'm not saying it's right. But for those who don't have the tools/knowledge to replace headlights, it may be an expense they are putting off, then putting off again in these straightened times. Especially when some modern cars seem to need so much stuff removed just to change a bulb.

As GJ says the numbers are too high for it to be the odd person getting caught out. AND I have seen the same cars near me with broken headlights for several days or even weeks.

I have a personal bee in my bonnet about this having almost hit a car with one headlight in the pitch black on a narrow lane one morning driving to work.

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I'm not saying it's right. But for those who don't have the tools/knowledge to replace headlights, it may be an expense they are putting off, then putting off again in these straightened times. Especially when some modern cars seem to need so much stuff removed just to change a bulb.

I've always found it a little ironic that it's such a faff to replace the bulb in a Focus.

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Given that you're a driving instructor, frankly I'm amazed at the stance you take on this issue.

What stance is that?

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That everyone has to get out of the way of cars.

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