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Matt Jackson (former Everton, Norwich and Wigan Athletic footballer) got knocked off his bike in virtually the same spot last year when undertaking a charity bike ride from his home (a couple of miles away from the incident) to Norwich, I know the stretch well the road configuration has changed several times over the years, still leads to some interesting manvouvers by motorists.

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the road configuration has changed several times over the years

A lot of people miss the point that very often cyclists are not blaming motorists for driving like cretinous loons rather than pointing out that it's often how the roads have been put together that is the (easily solvable) problem.

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I believe Shane Sutton, GB cycling coach, is also seriously ill in hospital after a similar incident this morning. It seems Shane has come out of it with much more serious head injuries.

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I believe Shane Sutton, GB cycling coach, is also seriously ill in hospital after a similar incident this morning. It seems Shane has come out of it with much more serious head injuries.

Just reported on Radio 5 - best of luck to the both of them.

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This is in addition to the six cyclists (I believe that figure is correct) killed this week.

Still, Saintslass and Gary Coyle can be on in a minute to say why they deserve to be hit.

(EDIT: 6 in the last 2 weeks)

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Sitting at a busy road junction in a town centre last night at 6.30pm on a red light. In the space of those few seconds, FIVE cyclists went over the junction on red. Four went 'slowly and carefully' but the other didn't even slow down and went straight through causing several cars to brake/swerve.

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Sitting at a busy road junction in a town centre last night at 6.30pm on a red light. In the space of those few seconds, FIVE cyclists went over the junction on red. Four went 'slowly and carefully' but the other didn't even slow down and went straight through causing several cars to brake/swerve.

You have to ask yourself why in those situations it may be safer to go through on red than wait for the light to turn green.

But, playing that game, I went for a walk at lunchtime and as is my want I crossed Marylebone Road. Number of cars going through red lights: 9; Number of bikes: 2.

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This is in addition to the six cyclists (I believe that figure is correct) killed this week.

Still, Saintslass and Gary Coyle can be on in a minute to say why they deserve to be hit.

(EDIT: 6 in the last 2 weeks)

Sadly it justifies the reason I now rarely cycle on main roads. Which is a shame because I really do enjoy it.

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You have to ask yourself why in those situations it may be safer to go through on red than wait for the light to turn green.

I cycled for many years in London, and that argument of being safer to run the light than to wait 'til it's your turn has never seemed reasonable at any time or in any situation, unless you're being pursued by the Russian Mafia.

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You have to ask yourself why in those situations it may be safer to go through on red than wait for the light to turn green.

Could it be that they don't give a fig for other road users?

But, playing that game, I went for a walk at lunchtime and as is my want I crossed Marylebone Road. Number of cars going through red lights: 9; Number of bikes: 2.

:huh:

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But, playing that game, I went for a walk at lunchtime and as is my want I crossed Marylebone Road. Number of cars going through red lights: 9; Number of bikes: 2.

Proof, if it was actually required, that irrespective of their mode of transport, a certain percentage of road users are a danger to themselves and others. :rolleyes:

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Could it be that they don't give a fig for other road users?

:huh:

Like motorists there are good and bad cyclists. I see a lot more good than bad. I expect most people notice more bad than good.

If I'd included amber I wouldn't have been able to keep count of the cars. The only time I've seen a study done (it was on Trafalgar Square if I recall correctly) they found the same: more cars/motor vehicles going through on red than bikes. When I cycled in the London - I can walk to work now - there were 2 junctions in particular where a few cyclists would advance on red (I personally did not) as it increased their visibility and put them in a safer position on the road.

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Proof, if it was actually required, that irrespective of their mode of transport, a certain percentage of road users are a danger to themselves and others. :rolleyes:

I make that point in my reply.

I'm not anti motorist, I am a motorist. I'm anti-dickheads and poor road design.

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I make that point in my reply.

I'm not anti motorist, I am a motorist. I'm anti-dickheads and poor road design.

It wasn't meant as a dig at you. ;) I was trying to make the same point as you have now. :)

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I expect most people notice more bad than good

There is that. If you are at a traffic light you do tend to notice if a cyclist pulls alongside and then goes through on red, whereas most cars don't pull out and go through on red once they have stopped at lights.

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I believe Shane Sutton, GB cycling coach, is also seriously ill in hospital after a similar incident this morning. It seems Shane has come out of it with much more serious head injuries.

I really hope that's not the case and it's not as serious as first feared.

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I really hope that's not the case and it's not as serious as first feared.

Guardian is reporting 'bleeding on the brain'.

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Guardian is reporting 'bleeding on the brain'.

Oh dear, that doesn't sound good.

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1. AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident

2. It is COMPULSORY in Leeds for car drivers to go through red lights.

3. More cyclists are killed by cars jumping red lights than motorists killed by cyclists jumping red lights

4. We should switch to the system used in some countries where the cad drives is assumed to be responsible for the car/bike collision unless the driver can prove otherwise.

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4. We should switch to the system used in some countries where the cad drives is assumed to be responsible for the car/bike collision unless the driver can prove otherwise.

Paging Dr Freud! Paging Dr Freud! ;)

To be honest, I thought this system was already in place in the UK. In London, at least; I'm sure I remember reading about it.

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4. We should switch to the system used in some countries where the cad drives is assumed to be responsible for the car/bike collision unless the driver can prove otherwise.

Equally, we could just assume the lunatic without insurance on two wheels is to blame unless proven otherwise. :rolleyes:

Perhaps the best solution is simply to not apportion blame until the evidence has been examined, and then realise that sometimes, accidents are exactly that, and no-one is at fault. B)

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Perhaps the best solution is simply to not apportion blame until the evidence has been examined, and then realise that sometimes, accidents are exactly that, and no-one is at fault. B)

Weirdo!;)

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I believe Shane Sutton, GB cycling coach, is also seriously ill in hospital after a similar incident this morning. It seems Shane has come out of it with much more serious head injuries.

Crumbs. Hope he (and Brad) are ok.

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