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The father of the cyclist who was killed also said this. Mr Harding, 56, said there was a “gap in the law” about “car dooring”. The Met said of the 427 cases since 2006, that only 52 fixed penalty notices, with a maximum fine of £1,000, were issued. Mr Harding, 56, an English language teacher trainer, said: “The only charge the police could bring against Aydogdu was manslaughter. Other than that, it was a fixed penalty notice, the equivalent of being caught speaking on your mobile. It is a legal lacuna — a massive gap in the law which doesn’t cater for the criminal behaviour that led to my son’s death.”

I am absolutely sure who is to blame. I have no doubts whatsoever. However, we live in a society where metal might is right.

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The father of the cyclist who was killed also said this. Mr Harding, 56, said there was a “gap in the law” about “car dooring”. The Met said of the 427 cases since 2006, that only 52 fixed penalty notices, with a maximum fine of £1,000, were issued. Mr Harding, 56, an English language teacher trainer, said: “The only charge the police could bring against Aydogdu was manslaughter. Other than that, it was a fixed penalty notice, the equivalent of being caught speaking on your mobile. It is a legal lacuna — a massive gap in the law which doesn’t cater for the criminal behaviour that led to my son’s death.”

I am absolutely sure who is to blame. I have no doubts whatsoever. However, we live in a society where metal might is right.

Looks like me writing this comment, Much more things need to be looked at than just one thing.

The only trouble is, you cannot except that. was right.

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Having been "car doored" twice, once on my bike, which was painful for me, and once in my car which was painful for the other driver, its a no brainer, if you're about to open your door, particularly if you're the driver, have a damn good look before you do so. Its incumbent on you to do so.

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Having been "car doored" twice, once on my bike, which was painful for me, and once in my car which was painful for the other driver, its a no brainer, if you're about to open your door, particularly if you're the driver, have a damn good look before you do so. Its incumbent on you to do so.

Phil i fully agree with you.

But can you please explain, why you were riding/driving so close to parked cars?

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You make a good point. It is incumbent upon all raod users to ensur ethat they do not put themselves in danger.

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Phil i fully agree with you.

But can you please explain, why you were riding so close to parked cars?

Yes I can, I was riding down a very narrow but busy side street. I was aware that traffic would be coming towards me so I was riding on the left hand side of the road when a woman park at the side opened her door just as I was going past.

"Oh look at my car door" she shouted, my answer was short and to the point but she obviously wasn't bothered about my buckled wheel and grazed face. :dry:

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Yes I can, I was riding down a very narrow but busy side street. I was aware that traffic would be coming towards me so I was riding on the left hand side of the road when a woman park at the side opened her door just as I was going past.

Phil was traffic coming, or were you over to the left just in case traffic came towards you?

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Phil was traffic coming, or were you over to the left just in case traffic came towards you?

Just in case, the road is question is just wide enough for two average cars to pass each other.

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Phil, It's clearly your fault. I'd have thought that was obvious. :rolleyes:

oh, just spotted this: Highway Code Rule 239: you MUST ensure you do not hit anyone when you open your door. Check for cyclists or other traffic

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The trouble with cyclists' public image is that whenever there's a debate on the radio, the person who is there to represent the two-wheeled side of the argument always seems more interested in having a shouting match and making preposterous claims than actually addressing any criticism from listeners, however slight.

They could have got someone who would respond calmly and put his points across clearly. But getting in a shouty numpty makes for what broadcasters think is better radio than anything intelligent and civilised.

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Phil i fully agree with you.

But can you please explain, why you were riding/driving so close to parked cars?

You keep coming back to this point. IMO it is irrelevant, it is the responsibly of the person who is going to exit a vehicle/cross the road to make sure that the way is clear.

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I don't cycle anymore, haven't done for 15 years now. In the past I've been pulled by the police for riding in the middle of the carriageway "Too far out" said plod. when I pointed out the potholes and grate grids close in to the side and asked him how I was meant to avoid them he shrugged. I pointed out that I was legally riding along the carriageway and got the standard plod response "so you think you know more about the law than me?" (well yes actually, your average plod's knowledge of the law is sketchy at best, but thats another thread in waiting)

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You keep coming back to this point. IMO it is irrelevant, it is the responsibly of the person who is going to exit a vehicle/cross the road to make sure that the way is clear.

You're quite right it is. Motorcyclists however are taught defencive riding techniques however: expect the unexpected. Riding further away from parked cars where possible may be prudent, despite the responsibility for opening the door remaining with the driver or passenger in question.

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You're quite right it is. Motorcyclists however are taught defencive riding techniques however: expect the unexpected. Riding further away from parked cars where possible may be prudent, despite the responsibility for opening the door remaining with the driver or passenger in question.

Agreed, but it isn't always possible and car drivers seem to moan about cyclists who do this.

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Agreed, but it isn't always possible and car drivers seem to moan about cyclists who do this.

Accepted, it isn't always possible, and I'd classify holding up other road users as not being possible. Moving over on a narrow road where nothing is coming towards me and nothing is behind me however I'd say was personally reasonable. Extra care therefore is required when it isn't possible to keep clear of potential opening doors.

I do use two wheels, however the two wheels I use has 130bhp. First thing I always do when getting on is to remind myself that everyone else is out to try to knock me off. Factually, that's obviously cobblers, however I find it a useful mindset to have.

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I do use two wheels, however the two wheels I use has 130bhp. First thing I always do when getting on is to remind myself that everyone else is out to try to knock me off. Factually, that's obviously cobblers, however I find it a useful mindset to have.

Me too. PanEuropean and IAM Associate. Its rammed into us. Generally drivers show respect, more than they do to cyclists.

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You keep coming back to this point. IMO it is irrelevant, it is the responsibly of the person who is going to exit a vehicle/cross the road to make sure that the way is clear.

Your dam right i do.

Its al-right saying a car/van/bus/wagon must do this or the other.

People make mistakes......we all make mistakes. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Cyclists are among the most vulnerable of road users.

I am guessing here, but i would say about 99% of them have taken no training before riding on a road.

Very few wear any type of protective clothing or helmet.

If they ride in a way that puts them into extreme danger questions have to be asked.

But lets just blame everyone and not look at the bigger picture.

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Me too. PanEuropean and IAM Associate. Its rammed into us. Generally drivers show respect, more than they do to cyclists.

If you want to see the British mindset in action compare how motorists go round a horse as against how they go round other road users.

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People make mistakes

Reducing the visibility of your windows to 17% and then not looking before opening your door into traffic is not 'making a mistake'.

Driving so close to the cyclist ahead that you can't brake in time when they are hit by a door is not 'making a mistake'.

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Me too. PanEuropean and IAM Associate. Its rammed into us. Generally drivers show respect, more than they do to cyclists.

I meant that when motorists are actually alert and observant, they do show some respect to motorcyclists

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If you want to see the British mindset in action compare how motorists go round a horse as against how they go round other road users.

cos they are afraid the horse will do more damage.

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cos they are afraid the horse will do more damage.

My wife and daughter are both horse riders, my wife, who worked as a professional driver for years and is an IAM member is continually amazed at what she calls the "######wittery" of motorists near horses

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My wife and daughter are both horse riders, my wife, who worked as a professional driver for years and is an IAM member is continually amazed at what she calls the "######wittery" of motorists near horses

I'll bow to her judgement given that she'll clearly have more direct experience than me. What I had observed though is a near-universal slowing down and giving space in a way that simply doen't happen for anybody else.

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Reducing the visibility of your windows to 17% and then not looking before opening your door into traffic is not 'making a mistake'.

Driving so close to the cyclist ahead that you can't brake in time when they are hit by a door is not 'making a mistake'.

I really wish i lived in this perfect world you live in.

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I really wish i lived in this perfect world you live in.

It's not perfect at all.

But admitting that a significant number of people on the roads regularly drive without the care and attention required - and that these actions kill and they then often go unpunished - is hardly a hard position to defend.

There are some traffic lights on roadworks outside my house today. In a five minute spell I've seen 9 cars go through on red. Two of those people were on the phone.

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