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"Stop politicising the police" :D

Clearly ignorant of the make up and operation of the previous Police Authorities stuffed to the gills with party political members councillors etc

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"Stop politicising the police" :D

Clearly ignorant of the make up and operation of the previous Police Authorities stuffed to the gills with part political members.

Quite - much better just to draw a penis on the ballot paper. :D

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Woohoo! At 16% Wiltshire beats the national average. Makes me so proud!

Ha, my constituency is WAYYYY below that with a 12.4% turnout! :mellow:

Labour PCC elected in Merseyside.

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87000 people out of 2.25 million got him his seat in the gravy train he so opposes.

Are you accusing a politician of hypocrisy?

Careful, that could cost you £185,000.

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Ukip outpolling the Lib Dems; British Freedom Party outpolling the Greens.

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Ukip outpolling the Lib Dems; British Freedom Party outpolling the Greens.

The hate parties may be revolting, but they are committed.

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We are told there is going to be a "thorough" review to establish what went wrong so far as the poor response from the public! :rolleyes:

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Are you accusing a politician of hypocrisy?

Careful, that could cost you £185,000.

What cost you and I the licence payer £185,000 was Newsnight's gleeful, deliberate and calculated character assassination of a perfectly innocent person. Still, if that is what you want from your BBC..

Anyway, this just in. Parliamentary elections are undemocratic rubbish. Manchester Central Parliamentary by-election: The turnout of just over 18% is believed to be the lowest in a by-election since World War II.

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Anyway, this just in. Parliamentary elections are undemocratic rubbish. Manchester Central Parliamentary by-election: The turnout of just over 18% is believed to be the lowest in a by-election since World War II.

A symptom of the regard in which politicians and politics are held by the public at the moment perhaps?

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Spot on!! They are down there with Estate Agents, bankers and lawyers ror Parliamentary elections, local elections and PCC elections all.

The encouraging thing in the number of Independents who have won PCC elections. Nine so far. That should shake up the previously cosy relationship between the police and the part politically dominated Police Authorities.

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In the Cardiff and Penarth parliamentary by-election yesterday, the turnout was 25.65%. As the BBC said about the PCC elections, "With turnout in the teens in many places, questions are being asked about the credibility of the whole idea and the mandate of those who have won" For the exercise of balance, did they ask Miliband if their man in Cardiff had a mandate or their woman in Manchester? Guess what?

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In the Cardiff and Penarth parliamentary by-election yesterday, the turnout was 25.65%. As the BBC said about the PCC elections, "With turnout in the teens in many places, questions are being asked about the credibility of the whole idea and the mandate of those who have won" For the exercise of balance, did they ask Miliband if their man in Cardiff had a mandate or their woman in Manchester? Guess what?

This was not a bye-election where the candidate as left the post mid-term, this was a general election for the guy who is going to cost the tax payer a lot of money to employ to replace a lot of people who already get 'paid' to the same job who will still be employed doing what they do minus this job.

The Tories are notorious for creating layers of government that did not exist previously to try and gerrymander local politics.

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I'm sure that all those haters will elect John Prescott to his new job of PCC next week.

Sadly being in East Riding I have to accept that he's going to get the job.

It would appear you're both incorrect, however it's nice to see John bears no grudges and wishes his victorious opponent well...

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The encouraging thing in the number of Independents who have won PCC elections. Nine so far. That should shake up the previously cosy relationship between the police and the part politically dominated Police Authorities.

I'm not so sure. Most of the independents that won are ex-police or ex-Police Authority. Can't seem much changing with them in post.

Most of the independents that lost were Lib Dems who were ashamed to admit they were Lib Dems.

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I'm not so sure. Most of the independents that won are ex-police or ex-Police Authority. Can't seem much changing with them in post.

Most of the independents that lost were Lib Dems who were ashamed to admit they were Lib Dems.

I'd love to do an assessment of how many people who won had their name top of the ballot.

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Interesting stat from the Telegraph:

There was also a backlash over fears of the politicisation of policing with candidates from the main political parties securing a number of posts. Independents performed well but an unusually high number of spoilt ballot papers were reported.

They ran at between 2.5 and 4.5 per cent of the turnout. Anything over 2 per cent is regarded by experts as evidence of deliberate action. In Coventry, the number of spoilt papers outnumbered votes cast for the Lib Dem candidate, Ayoub Khan, at 884 to 783.

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It would appear you're both incorrect, however it's nice to see John bears no grudges and wishes his victorious opponent well...

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I'll hold my head up, I got it wrong! Frankly the guy who won's campaign was based on being (direct quote from the leaflet that was pushed through our door) "the only person who can beat John Prescott". Hey it worked, but it was rather light on policy.

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In the Cardiff and Penarth parliamentary by-election yesterday, the turnout was 25.65%. As the BBC said about the PCC elections, "With turnout in the teens in many places, questions are being asked about the credibility of the whole idea and the mandate of those who have won" For the exercise of balance, did they ask Miliband if their man in Cardiff had a mandate or their woman in Manchester? Guess what?

John you're comparing apples with oranges there between the quote you've supplied and the information you've supplied. Since the by-election turnout was 25.65% this was way above the teens. The lowest was about 10% electoral turn out. Frankly to spend £75M on an election that no one wants for a position very few people see the need for in a time of austerity is a bad joke.

Also its not just the BBC saying that the low turn out for the PCC elections (interestingly the areas with a by-election had a higher turnout, making their result a better mandate) makes the PCC elections dodgy either. Here's an article from right wing bias newspaper The Telegraph saying the same thing. I can't see a problem with what the beeb are saying on that one.

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... In Coventry, the number of spoilt papers outnumbered votes cast for the Lib Dem candidate, Ayoub Khan, at 884 to 783.

But that' s 1667 spoilt papers, surely?

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See post #44 - Labour have a new MP on a 19% turnout. ( Manchester Central) Was that an election no one wanted?

Its not for me to do the Govt's job in this but they really have done a lamentable job in explaining the new system against a background of lack of interest in teh way the former Police Authorities worked - How were they appointed? How were they made up? Who was in charge? What did they achieve? What say did anyone have in their running? How much did they cost?

Turning to the new system - did you know about this? http://www.homeoffic...partiality-oath

At least now the subject has received a decent airing, no one can be in any doubt about who their PCC is, what the job is, how to contact them etc. Isn't that better?

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See post #44 - Labour have a new MP on a 19% turnout. ( Manchester Central) Was that an election no one wanted?

wanted or not Tony Lloyd resigned so I suspect that the people of central Manchester wanted to continue to be represented in Parliament. Since its a safe labour seat under FPTP you can understand voter apathy. Incidentally the 19% was still higher than the average for the PCC only elections.

Turning to the new system - did you know about this? http://www.homeoffic...partiality-oath

Yes I did! I'm not seeing the point though, because oath of impartiality or not people will do what they see fit and just retro fit their justifications afterwards, as tends to happen with politician everywhere.

You've changed tack a bit though.

In post #61 you were basically slagging off the beeb saying there was no balance in their coverage. I was pointing out that coverage from all sides of the political divide are talking about mandate problems with the PCC elections generally. In this instance I don't think you're slagging off of the beeb is valid.

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At least now the subject has received a decent airing, no one can be in any doubt about who their PCC is, what the job is, how to contact them etc. Isn't that better?

I'm not sure that it is. It's more an example of politicians passing the buck for a poor service.

When it goes wrong the stock answer now is "well you voted for him, you should have voted for us"

It's like the health service - I don't want choice. When I'm ill I want a properly organised and efficient health service not a political football. Similarly when I need a rozzer I need one quick, I shouldn't have to care about the mechanism, that's what I pay my taxes for.

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You've changed tack a bit though.

Nope . Of course, if there were persuasive arguments to change tack, I would.

In the absence of any effective Parliamentary opposition the BBC News and Current Affairs people are still carrying out that role - and still buying 28% of The Guardian's daily circulation to keep themselves properly informed.

It certainly is a concern that the turn-out was so low, and I can see a number of reasons for that, including people abstaining/spoiling their votes as some sort of bizarre democratic protest. n I think the main point is covered in post #59 - the low esteem in which voters hold our politicians and similar.

Scrutiny of the PCC

PCCs will be scrutinised by police and crime panels, which will be formed of a minimum of 12 people (including a minimum of 10 representatives from the local authorities in the force area and two independently recruited members of the public).

The duties of the panel include:

  • requiring the PCC to respond to any concerns they have
  • making recommendations on the crime plan and annual reports
  • confirming or vetoing the PCC's appointment of chief constable and the level of local tax (the precept level)

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Nope . Of course, if there were persuasive arguments to change tack, I would.

In the absence of any effective Parliamentary opposition the BBC News and Current Affairs people are still carrying out that role - and still buying 28% of The Guardian's daily circulation to keep themselves properly informed.

It certainly is a concern that the turn-out was so low, and I can see a number of reasons for that, including people abstaining/spoiling their votes as some sort of bizarre democratic protest. n I think the main point is covered in post #59 - the low esteem in which voters hold our politicians and similar.

Scrutiny of the PCC

PCCs will be scrutinised by police and crime panels, which will be formed of a minimum of 12 people (including a minimum of 10 representatives from the local authorities in the force area and two independently recruited members of the public).

The duties of the panel include:

  • requiring the PCC to respond to any concerns they have
  • making recommendations on the crime plan and annual reports
  • confirming or vetoing the PCC's appointment of chief constable and the level of local tax (the precept level)

LOL and changed track again to discuss the BBC/Guardian relationship (which you more relevantly mentioned in a different thread) whilst avoiding the points I made.

I'll ask again John, how can it be BBC bias if all sides of the media spectrum are saying the same thing. Maybe in this instance its informed opinion. Again, its just seems like you're taking any opportunity to take a pop at the BBC. As I said... there are places its valid but I don't think it is here

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