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I don't care how much money they're providing for this deal, it's absolutely shameful that a loan shark company that preys on the most financially vulnerable of society is allowed to sponsor any part of our game.

That their sponsorship should be held up as ground breaking and lauded as something good is perverse IMO.

They are parasites in the same mould as Wonga and I find it ironic that the people running our game see Betfair as an unsuitable partner yet welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.

I'm ashamed that this has been allowed.

Why have you cut and pasted this from the other thread?

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Ah yes, the very same RBS which pulled the Bulls' overdraft and precipitated the whole administration crisis. Although it would probably have happened sometime anyway.

You know, I came on here thinking the Bulls had signed a brilliant sponsorship deal, only to find instead that the club has sold its soul to the devil. There's enough ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy on this thread to fill a Stephen Jones aricle.

So, about Provident. I'll declare an interest up front. When my Dad was demobbed in 1945 he went to work for Provident, and stayed there for over thirty years, so as a child my entire livelihood depended on that company. I even worked for them myself for a couple of years in the early seventies. As kids we used to enjoy the Christmas party the firm paid for, and my Dad enjoyed the annual staff trip to London they also paid for. Up in my spare bedroom there's a Wedgewood table lighter, suitably engraved, which staff were given to celebrate the Coronation in 1953. It was a family company (the Waddilove family) until flotation about fifty years ago.

Provident was founded in Bradford in 1880. That's 132 years of business. It's not an opportunistic web-based payday loan outfit. It operates on a very old-fashioned business model, a national network of agents dealing directly with customers, a personal relationship which many people still prefer and trust. Its market is the lower paid, those in insecure employment, those in rented accommodation. Those, in fact, which the High Street banks are not interested in, but who nevertheless sometimes need or want to borrow money, relatively small amounts on a short-term basis, and who want to pay weekly. I suspect its customer demographic will not be too dissimilar to that of the sport of Rugby League. Because it's relatively high risk lending, and operates on a labour intensive basis, its interest charges are high. Having said that they are nowhere near the rates charged by the payday lenders. The best known of the payday lenders is Wonga.com, founded by a right wing nutjob whose crazed ideas on employment rights are currently finding favour with the Tories in government.

I also have to say that, whilst Provident have had the occasional controversy in their lengthy history, one thing they haven't done is bring the economy of the Western hemisphere to its knees by casino-style lending, neither does it pay its executives telephone number bonuses after being bailed out by the taxpayer. It operates in a highly regulated industry and complies with the Consumer Credit Act, The Financial Services Act, the Data Protection Act etc.

If all that sounds like a puff piece then I apologise. I just felt a few people needed to be set straight. And after writing it, I'm still very happy about the sponsorship deal.

Your posts content has no place at all on this thread or this forum..... Pleeeeeeease......

Having said that it was a cracking piece :D

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Stan, you are needed on the new strip thread. Someone called Omega is blowing a gasket.

You just don't like it because it's Bradford involved, I don't like it because it's WRONG!

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You just don't like it because it's Bradford involved, I don't like it because it's WRONG!

No, you are clearly hysterical. Go and sit down and calm down. Provident are not loan sharks like you claim, but if they were not there many of these people you are so concerned about would actually be going to a real loan shark.

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................welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.

There's a religion that does not allow any form of lending for profit, and a laudable and humane stance it is....

The view is they are all as bad no matter what degree.

But AOB please.......

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Why have you cut and pasted this from the other thread?

Because I can and because it's relevant to both.

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Because I can and because it's relevant to both.

Even though its hysterical nonsense?

Face it, you don't really care about punters getting into financial strife, you just hate Bradford. That's cool, I am not remotely interested in what you think.

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No, you are clearly hysterical. Go and sit down and calm down. Provident are not loan sharks like you claim, but if they were not there many of these people you are so concerned about would actually be going to a real loan shark.

No hysterics here fella, and despite you're attempts to paint anyone who disagrees with this shameful deal as ignorant or deluded, I'll hold to my principles and call it for what it is, a disgrace for Rugby League.

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Even though its hysterical nonsense?

Face it, you don't really care about punters getting into financial strife, you just hate Bradford. That's cool, I am not remotely interested in what you think.

Paranoid!

But keep defending the indefensible and kidding yourself that people only object because they have a grudge against Bradford.

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No hysterics here fella, and despite you're attempts to paint anyone who disagrees with this shameful deal as ignorant or deluded, I'll hold to my principles and call it for what it is, a disgrace for Rugby League.

As I say, hysterical. Not only that, plain wrong.

People can object, I would possibly prefer a different sponsor but since RL is not overrun with people throwing money at it, we have to get what we can. does Andrew Glover charge no interest on his products? Does he give them away? or does he sell them for more than it costs to make them?

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Paranoid!

But keep defending the indefensible and kidding yourself that people only object because they have a grudge against Bradford.

I think you'll find you are in the minority here chief, Bradford fans or not. Wait and see eh?

In your case, it is about Bradford

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I don't care how much money they're providing for this deal, it's absolutely shameful that a loan shark company that preys on the most financially vulnerable of society is allowed to sponsor any part of our game.

That their sponsorship should be held up as ground breaking and lauded as something good is perverse IMO.

They are parasites in the same mould as Wonga and I find it ironic that the people running our game see Betfair as an unsuitable partner yet welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.

I'm ashamed that this has been allowed.

Read my post above. You're talking total excrement.

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As I say, hysterical. Not only that, plain wrong.

People can object, I would possibly prefer a different sponsor but since RL is not overrun with people throwing money at it, we have to get what we can. does Andrew Glover charge no interest on his products? Does he give them away? or does he sell them for more than it costs to make them?

Wrong? it's my opinion of a Rugby League club taking money from a company that preys on the vulnerable. There's plenty of evidence that they're an organisation which has reshaped itself in order to fleece the most vulnerable of our society. Who are you to pronounce that opinion as wrong!

Commerce is all about profit so using responsible businesses to illustrate your argument is just pathetic! Next you'll be telling us that war time profiteering was OK because the victims of it had a choice to work as slaves or die.

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I don't care how much money they're providing for this deal, it's absolutely shameful that a loan shark company that preys on the most financially vulnerable of society is allowed to sponsor any part of our game.

That their sponsorship should be held up as ground breaking and lauded as something good is perverse IMO.

They are parasites in the same mould as Wonga and I find it ironic that the people running our game see Betfair as an unsuitable partner yet welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.

I'm ashamed that this has been allowed.

what are your thoughts on clubs being sponsored by Probiz? For some reason the guardians of thre sports's morals don't seem to have much to say about it.

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I think you'll find you are in the minority here chief, Bradford fans or not. Wait and see eh?

In your case, it is about Bradford

Utter rubbish on both counts

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Paranoid!

But keep defending the indefensible and kidding yourself that people only object because they have a grudge against Bradford.

weren't Hull FC sponsored by shopacheck for a considerable period?

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Utter rubbish on both counts

We'll see then won't we?

In the meantime, try not to have a coronary.

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Read my post above. You're talking total excrement.

No I'm not!

Read my post on the other thread, your waxing poetical about a company that, for all intents and purposes, ceased to trade and reinvented itself as loan sharks.

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what are your thoughts on clubs being sponsored by Probiz? For some reason the guardians of thre sports's morals don't seem to have much to say about it.

Don't know enough about Probiz to hold a valid opinion on their activities

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weren't Hull FC sponsored by shopacheck for a considerable period?

As I said in another post, we were once sponsored by tobacco and alcohol companies but we've moved on from that, it's only a matter of time before this legalised extortion industry goes the same way.

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We'll see then won't we?

In the meantime, try not to have a coronary.

We will!

Thanks, good luck next season.

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As I said in another post, we were once sponsored by tobacco and alcohol companies but we've moved on from that, it's only a matter of time before this legalised extortion industry goes the same way.

Nonetheless, as a upright citizen you were leading the calls for a boycott because it was still wrong even then.

Challenge cup sponsored by cig companies for so long? Thousands of deaths from smoking...was that ok? Its not like we were unaware of the dangers.

Selective hypocrisy at its best.

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Nonetheless, as a upright citizen you were leading the calls for a boycott because it was still wrong even then.

Challenge cup sponsored by cig companies for so long? Thousands of deaths from smoking...was that ok? Its not like we were unaware of the dangers.

Selective hypocrisy at its best.

Don't know about you but I was too young to have such formed opinions back then, however that was wrong then and this is wrong now!

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Don't know about you but I was too young to have such formed opinions back then, however that was wrong then and this is wrong now!

I knew cigs were bad for you from a very young age. Early 70's

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Don't know enough about Probiz to hold a valid opinion on their activities

they specialise in tax avoidance for the wealthy

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