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I agree with that post entirely. I don't really see the point of the argument. AFAIK "Usuary" is against the Muslim faith, but that term is associated with "excessive rates" of interest, so by varying definitions some people may not see any interest charged as being fair, and look at money lending as being an act of kindness, others may allow for some element of interest to repay the favour at least. My own view is that money lending should be limited to being a not for profit bueiness but hey...........

A pointless argument I would not like to see escalate and dissapoint CKN.

I'd like Mr. Omega who i find extremely interesting in his posts on RL to just answer my question above.

"Would you advocate Wakefield turn down something like this? given Mr. Glover (Like Mr. Khan) does not have such riches that he could afford to do so without damaging Bulls prospects??"

If he says YES good luck to him for a strong moral stance, If he says no then good luck to him for taking a pragmatic view.

Either way elongating the "usuary" argument will go nowhere.......

I think we have all the views, and all very laudable they are and well made too, perhaps we should "agree to disagree"

surely Omega won't reply to anything, since he will have realised that lap tops are made by poorly paid workers in far eastern sweatshops and will have binned his on principle.

He seems very selective in his high moral stance, as dosome others who use 'morality' to validate their views.

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Afaik they are now a much more diverse lender and have seen huge growth through their Vanquis Credit card operations.

Personally, i dont see any problem with Sl or clubs been sponsored by bookies, breweries , loan sharks etc as i feel the impact of these sponsors doesnt have a huge impact on the general demographic of rl supporters. I didnt start drinking tetleys or smoke regal due to sponsors!! At the present juncture, RL in general needs all the cash it can get and cannot afford to be selective when it comes to sponsors

I took out an Engage Mutual cash plan rather then Simply Health, mainly due to their sponsorship of SL. Admittedly though, I haven't started using Stobart...

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What industry is moral? How do you judge that?

I think I'm right in saying that devout Muslims cannot borrow money at any rate of interest. Which would make even the lowest of mortgage rates 'immoral'. Would it be right to therefore avoid any association with any kind of bank or mortgage lender merely because someone else judges them as 'immoral'?

Once you have established the principle that its OK to borrow money and pay it back with interest, the rest is just a subjective opinion. A bit of a pointless argument.

Most of us draw a line somewhere but some things are almost universally viewed as wrong and for me this type of exploitation is wrong!

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any stuff in the media about tax avoidance? I think you'll find there is rather a lot.

I answered your question re: Probiz

If you've got a bee in your bonnet about that subject then knock yourself out.

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I agree with that post entirely. I don't really see the point of the argument. AFAIK "Usuary" is against the Muslim faith, but that term is associated with "excessive rates" of interest, so by varying definitions some people may not see any interest charged as being fair, and look at money lending as being an act of kindness, others may allow for some element of interest to repay the favour at least. My own view is that money lending should be limited to being a not for profit bueiness but hey...........

A pointless argument I would not like to see escalate and dissapoint CKN.

I'd like Mr. Omega who i find extremely interesting in his posts on RL to just answer my question above.

"Would you advocate Wakefield turn down something like this? given Mr. Glover (Like Mr. Khan) does not have such riches that he could afford to do so without damaging Bulls prospects??"

If he says YES good luck to him for a strong moral stance, If he says no then good luck to him for taking a pragmatic view.

Either way elongating the "usuary" argument will go nowhere.......

I think we have all the views, and all very laudable they are and well made too, perhaps we should "agree to disagree"

I'd be just as vociferous and have the same objections if it were any other club including Wakefield.

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I answered your question re: Probiz

If you've got a bee in your bonnet about that subject then knock yourself out.

thden why the fixation with Provident?

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I answered your question

Could you kindly answer mine?

Would you advocate Wakefield turn down something like this? given Mr. Glover (Like Mr. Khan) does not have such riches that he could afford to do so without damaging Bulls prospects??

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surely Omega won't reply to anything, since he will have realised that lap tops are made by poorly paid workers in far eastern sweatshops and will have binned his on principle.

He seems very selective in his high moral stance, as dosome others who use 'morality' to validate their views.

At no point in my stance have I resorted to being personally critical of anyone so I don't understand your need to start down that track with me.

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I'd be just as vociferous and have the same objections

A very laudable stance.

But would you accept or reject the sponsorship if you had a say?

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Could you kindly answer mine?

Would you advocate Wakefield turn down something like this? given Mr. Glover (Like Mr. Khan) does not have such riches that he could afford to do so without damaging Bulls prospects??

I have

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A very laudable stance.

But would you accept or reject the sponsorship if you had a say?

I'd reject it!

And before anyone says that's naive, I've worked as a commercial manager in sport for over 15 years and done so in Rugby League at all levels and in sports that dwarf Rugby League.

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At no point in my stance have I resorted to being personally critical of anyone so I don't understand your need to start down that track with me.

I'm not

I'm just tapping into your moral tone. What personal criticism is there in my post? Clearly you are selective in your ethics since you have chosen to reply. Another example of this is your reaction when being asked to comment on clubs being sponsored by compoanies that specialise in tax avoidance.

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I have

Can you just be clear that by "the same objections" you mean that you would like this sponsorship to be rejected at Bradford and would like it to be rejected if it was also offered to Wakefield???

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I'd reject it!

Then personally I'm happy to accept that and have no argument with it if you feel the degree of immorality is beyond your personal views........

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I'd reject it!

And before anyone says that's naive, I've worked as a commercial manager in sport for over 15 years and done so in Rugby League at all levels and in sports that dwarf Rugby League.

would you have rejected sponsorship from Probiz?

Anyway it wouldn't have been your call surely. You were a club employee. decisions about income sources, their ammounts and nature would have been for the board of directors to take. I can see why you 'worked' as a commercial manager and not 'work' as one.

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thden why the fixation with Provident?

No fixation with Provident but rather with the industry in which they operate and are the market leader.

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No fixation with Provident but rather with the industry in which they operate and are the market leader.

but your posts relate entirely to Provident, but no matter.

What are your views on the insdustry that Probiz are a leading player in?

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Wow! That past me by. Tell me Leeds are being sponsored by BigTits next season. Please let it be true.

They've got the naming rights for Fev's ground next year. They're calling it the Big Fellas Stadium!

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Just tried to find the discussions about probiz and it appears they were deleted.

No, the search functionality just doesn't work (try searching for a word in the topic name of something on the front page, it still won't find anything)

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No, the search functionality just doesn't work (try searching for a word in the topic name of something on the front page, it still won't find anything)

I did it via google. There's a link to John Drake saying he's deleted the probiz discussion.

Are you calling John Drake a liar? ;)

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I did it via google. There's a link to John Drake saying he's deleted the probiz discussion.

Are you calling John Drake a liar? ;)

Fair enough.

Only when he says the search box is fixed!

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no its not, no more than having a gambling sponsor, a drinks sponsor, a political sponsor like a trade union, a fizzy drink sponsor, a hamburger sponsor, a chemical company sponsor, a car company sponsor (cars kill thousands of people a year) etc etc.....

Thats a very accurate summation. Morals are mythical as we all can prove when we can make a fast quid or so, thay are also something that exist in the minds of those that can afford them also, so good luck to anyone that can.

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Fair enough.

Only when he says the search box is fixed!

Search is working fine, I just tested it. If you're using it from within an open topic, it'll only search within that topic unless you choose a different search option (ie, forum) at the side of your search words.

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Search is working fine, I just tested it. If you're using it from within an open topic, it'll only search within that topic unless you choose a different search option (ie, forum) at the side of your search words.

LIAR!

OK, it does actually seem to be working. Never usually does though...

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Morals are mythical as we all can prove when we can make a fast quid or so, thay are also something that exist in the minds of those that can afford them also, so good luck to anyone that can.

Very good John. Another reason to stick to the RL debate and Omega has no double standard between his club and Bradford.

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