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Martyn Sadler

The danger of making unsubstantiated allegations

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Newspaper front pages - translation "thank Gawd we can pretend the Leveson Enquiry's not happening any more".

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I suspect there might be a degree of obfuscation taking place. The government is stressing it's the wrong person that's being accused. Fair enough, but could someone with the same surname have dubious morals of the type that's been alleged?

Well, despite the efforts of some to discredit Steven Messham, the basis of his story - that a man with several expensive cars and a chauffeur would routinely 'visit' him at Bryn Estyn (cover by the Waterhouse Tribunal in 1997) - is backed up by others.

The fact that the MP at the centre of allegations of a link to No 10, Tom Watson has, he claims, received 'threats to his wellbeing' suggests that some are trying to keep something under wraps.

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The fact that the MP at the centre of allegations of a link to No 10, Tom Watson has, he claims, received 'threats to his wellbeing' suggests that some are trying to keep something under wraps.

Tom is a top man and is proving himself to be very brave in taking on the establishment yet again.

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I’ve been away for a few days but I am back to bring some balance to the debate.

Some on here still don’t get it. This is an absolute disgrace as the goings on at Newsnight are tainting forever the great name of the best broadcaster in the world.

It has been known that for years that BBC Current Affairs has been institutionally, endemically and genetically predisposed to the left. This has been admitted, demonstrated and proved beyond all reasonable doubt. Focussing more sharply, it is clear that Newsnight deliberately set out to falsely accuse McAlpine as part of their war on Thatcher.

The BBC apology is disingenuous to say the least. From the BBC website: In the Newsnight programme of 2 November, he also said a Conservative politician from the Thatcher era had abused him a number of times. Although not named by the programme, this led to incorrect speculation on the internet that the man in question was former Conservative Party treasurer Lord McAlpine.

Weasel words from the BBC, as the programmes implied who it was and pointed viewers to where the name was published. Editorial failing? Process failure? Not on your life. You can picture the glee on the faces of the Newsnight team responsible. “Publish and be damned - Gotcha, Thatcher!” And now it seems that the left’s placemen are all over the place – in the background in Leveson, The Centre (and Bureau) for Investigative Journalism, David Bell, the Media Standards Trust etc etc.

Do you think these people give a toss about people like Steve Messingham and the others who have been abused and have suffered so much? Do they hell. They must have thought they were in heaven when Steve Messingham came along. After having taken advantage of the poor guy they are now blaming him.

Even now, as the chickens come home to roost, they are manipulating and falsely representing things, with the Gaza situation proving the ideal opportunity for some pro Arab spin, Responding to the fact that they just broadcast a video of a Palestinian casualty that was a set-up for the cameras, The BBC said, “To the best of our knowledge the pictures do not show any kind of ‘staged’ event – and were run in good faith. The footage shown by BBC News was edited from a longer sequence provided by the Reuters news agency in which the man in question is shown being lifted from the ground. He is then given attention at the roadside, before appearing later having recovered. We ran a shorter edit of those pictures, and would point out that some re-uses of our output by others online have compressed the sequence further. Steps have been taken to ensure any re-broadcast reflects the full sequence so that it is absolutely clear to our audiences.”

Good faith? I expect they will be asking us to trust then mext! Have they not learned anything from the Newsnight manipulation? Gentlemen of BBC Current Affairs – you are killing the BBC.

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It has been known that for years that BBC Current Affairs has been institutionally, endemically and genetically predisposed to the left. This has been admitted, demonstrated and proved beyond all reasonable doubt.

Really? Genetically? Proved? where? how? By whom?

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Now you are just being silly.

This just in. The BBC buys 28% of the Guardians daily print run.

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It has been known that for years that BBC Current Affairs has been institutionally, endemically and genetically predisposed to the left. This has been admitted, demonstrated and proved beyond all reasonable doubt. Bureau) for Investigative Journalism, David Bell, the Media Standards Trust etc etc.

Now you are just being silly.

No I'm not you made a statement, read what you said. You said an organisation can be genetically disposed to something and "This has been admitted, demonstrated and proved beyond all reasonable doubt"

Notwithstanding the fact that only organic organisms can be genetically disposed to anything.

So I repeat where how and by whom?

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No I'm not you made a statement, read what you said. You said an organisation can be genetically disposed to something and "This has been admitted, demonstrated and proved beyond all reasonable doubt"

Notwithstanding the fact that only organic organisms can be genetically disposed to anything.

So I repeat where how and by whom?

The Loony Right know with absolute certainly that the BBC is staffed exlusively by Trotskyists.

The Loony Left know with absolute certainly that the BBC is a tool of the establishment.

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Whilst I'm not convinced that the BBC genuinely ARE left leaning in their coverage, as to me its always seems the people who 'prove' this are Right Nutters blustering going 'look it just is', does it really matter if it does lean slightly to the left? Especially since the vast majority of the rest of the media are right leaning. Lets face it Murdoch would change sky news in to a UK version of Fox if he could (and it isn't particularly neutral even now), and against corporate interests like that, I'm quite happy with the BBC generally.

All that said the two decisions in question here were wrong. The first not to show the Jimmy Savile investigation, and the second to show the Lord McAlpine. Heads have rolled and I'm interested to know how what procedures they are going to put in place to stop things like this happening in the future.

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The Loony Right know with absolute certainly that the BBC is staffed exlusively by Trotskyists.

The Loony Left know with absolute certainly that the BBC is a tool of the establishment.

Thats the way I've always seen it. They annoyed the Labour party enough when they were in power to make me think that generally they are pretty neutral.

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I’ve been away for a few days but I am back to bring some balance to the debate.

Some on here still don’t get it. This is an absolute disgrace as the goings on at Newsnight are tainting forever the great name of the best broadcaster in the world.

It has been known that for years that BBC Current Affairs has been institutionally, endemically and genetically predisposed to the left. This has been admitted, demonstrated and proved beyond all reasonable doubt. Focussing more sharply, it is clear that Newsnight deliberately set out to falsely accuse McAlpine as part of their war on Thatcher.

The BBC apology is disingenuous to say the least. From the BBC website: In the Newsnight programme of 2 November, he also said a Conservative politician from the Thatcher era had abused him a number of times. Although not named by the programme, this led to incorrect speculation on the internet that the man in question was former Conservative Party treasurer Lord McAlpine.

Weasel words from the BBC, as the programmes implied who it was and pointed viewers to where the name was published. Editorial failing? Process failure? Not on your life. You can picture the glee on the faces of the Newsnight team responsible. “Publish and be damned - Gotcha, Thatcher!” And now it seems that the left’s placemen are all over the place – in the background in Leveson, The Centre (and Bureau) for Investigative Journalism, David Bell, the Media Standards Trust etc etc.

Do you think these people give a toss about people like Steve Messingham and the others who have been abused and have suffered so much? Do they hell. They must have thought they were in heaven when Steve Messingham came along. After having taken advantage of the poor guy they are now blaming him.

Even now, as the chickens come home to roost, they are manipulating and falsely representing things, with the Gaza situation proving the ideal opportunity for some pro Arab spin, Responding to the fact that they just broadcast a video of a Palestinian casualty that was a set-up for the cameras, The BBC said, “To the best of our knowledge the pictures do not show any kind of ‘staged’ event – and were run in good faith. The footage shown by BBC News was edited from a longer sequence provided by the Reuters news agency in which the man in question is shown being lifted from the ground. He is then given attention at the roadside, before appearing later having recovered. We ran a shorter edit of those pictures, and would point out that some re-uses of our output by others online have compressed the sequence further. Steps have been taken to ensure any re-broadcast reflects the full sequence so that it is absolutely clear to our audiences.”

Good faith? I expect they will be asking us to trust then mext! Have they not learned anything from the Newsnight manipulation? Gentlemen of BBC Current Affairs – you are killing the BBC.

It's Steve Messham.

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Focussing more sharply, it is clear that Newsnight deliberately set out to falsely accuse McAlpine as part of their war on Thatcher.

Rubbish.

They didn't set out to falsely accuse him. They thought he did it.

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Rubbish.

They didn't set out to falsely accuse him. They thought he did it.

No, no, no. It was all because of ... y'know ... something.

McAlpine is £185,000 richer this morning anyway.

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No, no, no. It was all because of ... y'know ... something.

McAlpine is £185,000 richer this morning anyway.

Just spotted on Twitter:

Lord McAlpine, did you consider giving that £185K of public money to the victims of child abuse? No, I'm sure you need it more...

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McAlpine is £185,000 richer this morning anyway.

That's just the start of it, apparently. His lawyers have a list of everyone who Tweeted or re-Tweeted the allegation, and they are going after them.

His lawyer said "we are going to take action against a lot of people. We have been watching people who have been taking down what they put on Twitter".

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That's just the start of it, apparently. His lawyers have a list of everyone who Tweeted or re-Tweeted the allegation, and they are going after them.

His lawyer said "we are going to take action against a lot of people. We have been watching people who have been taking down what they put on Twitter".

Starting with, in an entirely non political act, Sally Bercow.

The man may not be a paedophile but he's a grade A ######.

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As far as I can make out, DLT has been accused of being a general perv or sex pest. Its worthy of arrest and its nothing to be taken lightly.

But many people are saying 'I never knew he was a paedo' etc. Mud sticks and all that.

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Now you are just being silly.

This just in. The BBC buys 28% of the Guardians daily print run.

Don't be silly.

Between April 2010 and February 2011 the BBC bought 60,000 copies of the Guardian (FoI requests are fun), a newspaper which sells 220,000 copies a day. Or about 70million copies a year. Therefore we can work out that the BBC buys about 1 in every thousand Guardians.

In case you think that's a disproportionate amount because it's an institution stuffed with pinko commies, the BBC in the same period also bought 46,000 copies of the Mail, 49,000 copies of the Telegraph, 25,000 copies of the Express, 51,000 copies of the Times and 43,000 copies of the Sun.

Based on newspaper purchases therefore, the BBC is a cesspit of howling right wing lunatics.

Here's the source. Complete with a typically bonkers Guido write up that bears no relation to the actual facts:

http://order-order.com/2012/08/14/bbc-buys-the-guardian-more-than-any-other-paper/

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Your reaserch is impeccable...your conclusions wrong.

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Your reaserch is impeccable...your conclusions wrong.

Better to be wrong for the right reasons than just plain wrong.

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