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usain bolt

fixture clash

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i see theres 2 matches being played on sunday at the same/ similar time. ncl grand final and the barla county tri series match between yorkshire and cumbria. also think the community lions u18s play in scotland. surely the ncl grand final should be a stand alone fixture.

cumbria and yorkshire are bound to be weaker with a none selection of myton and wath brow players and also think a couple of players from wath brow represent the u18s community lions.

is this right that the matches clash and also depriving the players of representative honours as theyre surely gonna pick their clubs in the final than play elsewhere. politics again maybe?

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Sheer stupidity , The NCL game must take priority and the the county game put back a week its not rocket sceince again its the players who are not being considered .

No wonder our game is in a mess .

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Have the county championships been in the same period of the year all the time? If so the NCL/RFL should have arranged their final around the county championship, either way it should never happen, but I'm surprised the RFL have not introduced a mens county championship, or is this fixture clash just an excuse to start and operate their own?

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Daft scheduling for the Barla comp but not surprising. NCL Grand Final has been in the calendar all year

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Daft scheduling for the Barla comp but not surprising. NCL Grand Final has been in the calendar all year

I can appreciate the NCL final being in the calendar all year but was the county champinship as well?

If the county championships have been played at the same time every year for years is it not NCL arrogance to expect BARLA to reschedule one of their competitions around what I'd call a none BARLA league.

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When were the fixtures announced? It's not up to anybody to assume they will be the same as last year?

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When were the fixtures announced? It's not up to anybody to assume they will be the same as last year?

I understand that and it is a farce, but did the NCL consult with BARLA? " I doubt it"

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...... and you wouldn't consider the other way round would you? You really need to get a life, you are turning into the forum buffoon..

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To be fair everyone is on a learning curve - this is the first time that the 'business ' end of the NCL season has occured in November but the timetable was out last January so maybe it should have been picked up at Barla before their dates , which are always flexible , were announced.

Playing the County games in Dec - Feb would have allowed full choice to the selectors. Assuming Marauder they want to continue to pick the bulk of their squads from what you describe as a non Barla League...... :)

Hopefully Barla will already be forward planning for next year , when presumably they will have to take that winter slot anyway given the schedule for the 2013 World Cup......

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To be fair everyone is on a learning curve - this is the first time that the 'business ' end of the NCL season has occured in November but the timetable was out last January so maybe it should have been picked up at Barla before their dates , which are always flexible , were announced.

Playing the County games in Dec - Feb would have allowed full choice to the selectors. Assuming Marauder they want to continue to pick the bulk of their squads from what you describe as a non Barla League...... :)

Hopefully Barla will already be forward planning for next year , when presumably they will have to take that winter slot anyway given the schedule for the 2013 World Cup......

Don't think so somehow, they will just carry on in their usual manner regardless of what is going on around them. This debate has been around since time began, and I can't see it ending either. :rolleyes:

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To be fair everyone is on a learning curve - this is the first time that the 'business ' end of the NCL season has occured in November but the timetable was out last January so maybe it should have been picked up at Barla before their dates , which are always flexible , were announced.

Playing the County games in Dec - Feb would have allowed full choice to the selectors. Assuming Marauder they want to continue to pick the bulk of their squads from what you describe as a non Barla League...... :)

Hopefully Barla will already be forward planning for next year , when presumably they will have to take that winter slot anyway given the schedule for the 2013 World Cup......

Firstly I'm not going to get into the politics of who is or is not a BARLA club or even what could be the next move or confrontation that will allow the RFL to organise their owm MANS County championship run by the NCL (I'm sure that will be well into the planning stage by now) B)

The problem seems to be that the some people seem to think that BARLA should function everything around the NCL, I'm sure your well aware that December is full of local and Yorkshire cup games and at the end of January the BARLA national cup games will begin.

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...... and you wouldn't consider the other way round would you? You really need to get a life, you are turning into the forum buffoon..

Why should BARLA consult the NCL about a BARLA competition arranged around the BARLA timetable?

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Why should BARLA consult the NCL about a BARLA competition arranged around the BARLA timetable?

If its a BARLA Rep Team, why are non BARLA players being selected then? I'm not expecting a rational explanation, as you use only seem to use the "NCL is not part of BARLA argument" when it suits

Its a two way street for organising the fixtures. With one fixture list out first, before the other the simplest way around this would be alter the other slightly, it's the rigidness of BARLA and some of their supporters that will be the downfall of that organisation

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Firstly I'm not going to get into the politics of who is or is not a BARLA club or even what could be the next move or confrontation that will allow the RFL to organise their owm MANS County championship run by the NCL (I'm sure that will be well into the planning stage by now) B)

The problem seems to be that the some people seem to think that BARLA should function everything around the NCL, I'm sure your well aware that December is full of local and Yorkshire cup games and at the end of January the BARLA national cup games will begin.

Sorry Marauder but you started it with your throw away ' non Barla League ' jibe..

The consequence of accepting that view could be that Barla should only pick from 'their own ' playing leagues..

And some would agree with you that that yes Barla should not function anything around the NCL - but go one step further and say they should leave those clubs and their players out of the equation altogether.....

Won't happen in a month of sundays.....so Barla will just have to be more accomodating / innovative in their planning.

And finally , sorry for suggesting that a County match should ever get in the way of a local cup competition........... :(

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If its a BARLA Rep Team, why are non BARLA players being selected then? I'm not expecting a rational explanation, as you use only seem to use the "NCL is not part of BARLA argument" when it suits

Its a two way street for organising the fixtures. With one fixture list out first, before the other the simplest way around this would be alter the other slightly, it's the rigidness of BARLA and some of their supporters that will be the downfall of that organisation

I've never said the NCL are not part of BARLA have I? Ido not hide the fact that the NCL are fully in bed with the RFL now and to be truthful I don't see why they continute to be members unless it is politics.

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Sorry Marauder but you started it with your throw away ' non Barla League ' jibe..

The consequence of accepting that view could be that Barla should only pick from 'their own ' playing leagues..

And some would agree with you that that yes Barla should not function anything around the NCL - but go one step further and say they should leave those clubs and their players out of the equation altogether.....

Won't happen in a month of sundays.....so Barla will just have to be more accomodating / innovative in their planning.

And finally , sorry for suggesting that a County match should ever get in the way of a local cup competition........... :(

Come on Peter, the NCL will not let anything get in the way of their fixtures, even professinal Intenationals have had to take a back seat and this IMO could be one of the NCL strengths.

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At the last calender group meeting there was no representative from the NCL so you can see how fixtures clash , my point was and still is, it is easier to move a county match than a cup final and the players must be given the opportunity to be able to play in both we are here for the players or am i missing something ?

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Any truth in the rumour that if you don't play for your county that you cant play for GB?

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Any truth in the rumour that if you don't play for your county that you cant play for GB?

No but you can go on a 10 day holiday and play one game against a country that does not qualify to play Internationals :D

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Sorry Marauder but you started it with your throw away ' non Barla League ' jibe..

The consequence of accepting that view could be that Barla should only pick from 'their own ' playing leagues..

And some would agree with you that that yes Barla should not function anything around the NCL - but go one step further and say they should leave those clubs and their players out of the equation altogether.....

Won't happen in a month of sundays.....so Barla will just have to be more accomodating / innovative in their planning.

And finally , sorry for suggesting that a County match should ever get in the way of a local cup competition........... :(

IMO there are far to many local cups.

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Any truth in the rumour that if you don't play for your county that you cant play for GB?

Don't think so, here's another rule that need's binning:

'Any player selected for international duty must have played or been selected to play, TRAINED OR MADE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNTY TEAM in the current season'. :lol:

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Any truth in the rumour that if you don't play for your county that you cant play for GB?

There was a rule that meant that you couldn't play for your Country unless you had played for your County - and you couldn't play for your County unless you had represented your District in the Town Team!

Then, to make sure coaches were able to pick who they wanted, they changed it to mean that you couldn't play for your County if you had "refused" to play for your District, etc etc.

This, in effect, was meant for perennial GB players who were selected year after year, not wanting to bother playing in their Town Teams. If they turned up for training they were eligible (even if they weren't actually available for selection due to work commitments or injuries etc).

Before you start shouting your mouth off Marauder - this was well before the RFL had representative amateur sides. It was BARLA who allowed these changes to go through - pushed through by the coaches of the BARLA GB teams - and most certainly NOT the Districts or the County Committees.

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Any truth in the rumour that if you don't play for your county that you cant play for GB?

You have to make yourself available for the County as far as I understand.

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You have to make yourself available for the County as far as I understand.

theres making yourself available and theres actually playing. rules will always be stretched to suit. i bet the wath brow/ myton players are available to play but wont be selected due to the ncl final. wonder how many will be in the gb squads however.

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You have to make yourself available for the County as far as I understand.

and quite rightly too. But I believe that some lads can quite easily say "can't train Wednesday/Thursday/whatever, I'm working away" or something along those lines, and can be considered to have 'made theselves available'.

One thing that has always concerned me a little is the scenario (for example) that you could be a half back at County and GB at under 17s and 19s - but don't get a look-in at open age because the open age have a half back (or whatever position) who has served them well for the past x amount of years. It's not always easy for young, good players that represent their county/country at youth level to progress to open age.

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