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forming a new club?

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sean long tweeted last night that the salford & oldham "partnership" is looking likely to happen.......

question is...when it happens...is it time to form a new club?

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Are there enough of us left Spud? If we link up with Salford, that's the end of the road for me mate.

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Apart from Salford not being an ideal mentor that is....

And why form a new club over this? This is the least of the clubs 'issues' over the last so many years.

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the club has lost its identity......

if we get out of the division now its not because of the work we've done...it'll be because of the link up with salford!

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Until clubs start standing up to the RFL then they will continue to steam roller all over the teams outside SL.

What has always made me wonder, is why collectively all the clubs outside SL have never got together and mounted any sort of challenge to the RFL as a group, rather than the odd club individually. It shows that they are as spineless as the RFL.

By 'teaming' with a SL club is selling out, losing your identity etc etc, and is caving into what the SL clubs wanted years ago. There are many failings of player development at SL clubs, yet development seems stronger at Championship and Championship 1 level. The SL want a slice of this, without little investment, and more money from the SKY coeffers to go into the back pockets of the players and the people running the clubs. It boild down to one word 'GREED'.

Could you imagine any of the NRL clubs not running grades below the first team? A joke. And to team up with Salford....theres only one winner there, and it isn't us.

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I cant say i am in favour of another form of dual reg as this is what it seems like, but if all the other CC clubs want to go down this road and your club does not then you are never going to have a level playing field.The amount of money in the lower divisions is getting harder to find ,lets face it who is going to sponser a club with less than 4/500 supporters when times are hard.Maybe its time for a rethink or other alternatives.

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i'll say as well.......the standard of the 4 or 5 "kids" that we'd get won't make us any better...........at our level...its the crafty "old pro's" that make the difference..

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there'll be less than 4/500 fans if we become a feeder club...trust me

Salford 'A' Team playing the likes of the University of Gloucestershire.....is that worth £11 of my money?

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Of course we could flip this on it's head and look at it as Salford being our feeder club!?

Then once we've used them to get to our rightful place we can dump them!!!!

I don't care what others have said on other forums( Or is that Fora?) we have the potential to be BIG.

Leigh, Featherstone, Widnes and Castleford ar only as big as Royton or Shaw.

With regards to our low attendances............

BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!

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I wish I could share your sentiment TAOHAF. We do have the potential, but the club can only do so much, it's the system that will continue to fail clubs outside SL - and that is why ALL clubs should of stuck to fingers up at every SL club wishing to use them as a feeder club. But clubs with little ambition and development jumped on the bandwagon before it had even had chance to park. I personally think it's too late to change anything now, what is done is done, and the game is much more poorer for it. As a supporter/volunteer for over 25 years, I have feel that I have watched my last game of rugby league.

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I wish I could share your sentiment TAOHAF. We do have the potential, but the club can only do so much, it's the system that will continue to fail clubs outside SL - and that is why ALL clubs should of stuck to fingers up at every SL club wishing to use them as a feeder club. But clubs with little ambition and development jumped on the bandwagon before it had even had chance to park. I personally think it's too late to change anything now, what is done is done, and the game is much more poorer for it. As a supporter/volunteer for over 25 years, I have feel that I have watched my last game of rugby league.

That's a really sad statement Oldhamer, particularly given the passionate debates we've had on here over the years.

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It is, and enjoyed the banter,debates and disagreements - something that makes our game standout from others.

Last year, the passion was dwlindling as was the drive to enjoy rugby league, but since the season has finished and you step back and look how the game is evolving - it's something I personally do not want to be involved in. To be involved in any sport, there has to be a goal at the end of it, whether it be survival, promotion or being crowned champions - and with promotion to SL being a lottery, and survival in SL not an option, the main goal for all clubs outside SL is financial survival - and without the prizes of promotion, there is no real glory, just a dead rubber.

It stems deeper than professional level, and I have said before. After Christmas, Oldham will have no paid personnel in post from the RFL developing the game within schools etc. The people who are currently in post have done a fanstastic job, and continue to do so despite the circumstances that will befall them. If the RFL cannot see that a town like Oldham need people like that in post, and continue to cost cut in areas of high development to help sustain the game in 'other' areas with no game history i.e. Birmingham, Coventry etc- then they will reap what they will sow. It's not just happening at Oldham, its happening at other towns steeped on history, and continued game growth. It really stinks.

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We already have a squad of about 20 players who have signed for OLDHAM. I don't like the idea of dual reg players but it is what it is. Why will it make us a feeder club? We will play those 20 players in Oldham shirts at a ground in Oldham. If some of Scott Naylors old colleagues at Salford want to help out at training or let use use some facilities then what is so bad about that. We have to face facts. We may have potential but we are a Championship one side with poor facilities and no assets. We can't stand up to anyone at the moment.

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but we don't need salford help...........and the moment they are struggling to help themselves.....as a salford fan said on the main TRL messageboard...salford are "one bad announcement" from playing in the same competition than us!

also correct me if im wrong but don't we have access to all of OCL's training facilties??.......i seriously doubt salford can provide better!

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Why will the standard be lower? Oxford, etc are signing players who used to play for us and SL clubs have been farming out younger players on loan for years. We have also signed players from various academies when they were told they probably wouldn't make it in SL.

So our team will still be the same mix of young potential and a few old boys?

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It stems deeper than professional level, and I have said before. After Christmas, Oldham will have no paid personnel in post from the RFL developing the game within schools etc. The people who are currently in post have done a fanstastic job, and continue to do so despite the circumstances that will befall them. If the RFL cannot see that a town like Oldham need people like that in post, and continue to cost cut in areas of high development to help sustain the game in 'other' areas with no game history i.e. Birmingham, Coventry etc- then they will reap what they will sow. It's not just happening at Oldham, its happening at other towns steeped on history, and continued game growth. It really stinks.

The RFL is cutting staff all over. The Sport England money has dried up and there isn't any other money. The RFL have took the view that Oldham will survive without staff but the Midlands (1 or 2 guys who now cover everything from derby to Northampton to Cornwall) need help. It's not great but they have lost the funding.

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Why will the standard be lower? Oxford, etc are signing players who used to play for us and SL clubs have been farming out younger players on loan for years. We have also signed players from various academies when they were told they probably wouldn't make it in SL.

So our team will still be the same mix of young potential and a few old boys?

The group of players that have gone to Oxford have already proven they are not good enough to win promotion from this league even when there are 4 places up for grabs. Lets not bull this league up to be anything it is not.

I was going to post about the positive news about the Regenda link up in the Limehurst area, but the news of a potential link up with any SL club has just taken the wind out of my sails. The RFL are systematically killing the game off in this town. They are doing it at junior level by engineering the demise of the service area, and this is another nail in the coffin for the pro game in the town.

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We already have a squad of about 20 players who have signed for OLDHAM. I don't like the idea of dual reg players but it is what it is. Why will it make us a feeder club? We will play those 20 players in Oldham shirts at a ground in Oldham. If some of Scott Naylors old colleagues at Salford want to help out at training or let use use some facilities then what is so bad about that. We have to face facts. We may have potential but we are a Championship one side with poor facilities and no assets. We can't stand up to anyone at the moment.

I agree. Nobody wants to see Roughyeds become someones reserve team but does it have to be that way. We have had some sort of deal with Leeds for the last couple of years, seeing some good lads coming in on dual reg/loan. I doesn't have to be a negative thing as long as it furthers Roughyeds aims and objectives which are to get out of this division. Our new coaching staff have strong links with Salford, why not use those links to our advantage as long as it doesn't mean selling Oldham down the river.

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So what you are saying Bedford that because Oldham have a rich area of development compared to the Midlands they do not need anyone to cover that area as it's self sufficient? If so, it's a prime example why the game is being killed off from grassroots upwards to facilitate areas that are just developing, with no history etc. Since the SL threw the door open to expansion, has it improved the game? London have struggled since SL started and continue to struggle, Catalan are an exception as they were an established club in a rugby league area. Celtic Crusaders armed with money from SL and a pad of bent visa forms couldn't generate interest in Wales and had to come further north to ply their trade - and then look what happened? I give the new clubs in CC1 a season before they go under. Paris as an expansion club couldn't last two seasons, Gateshead another example. Expansion will not work when it is forced, it has to develop slowly and under the right conditions. But to sacrifice areas that are rich, is pretty damn shambolic.

It showed that clubs that wanted to join the professional ranks soon dropped out of the race when accepted for CC1 - that's expansion for you.

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theres nothing wrong with taking players on loan from numerous clubs...if it HELPS US!

the issue is signing a deal with 1 club,who then dictates who plays....the whole idea behind it is to help the super league kids bridge the gap between the academy & super league......the first names on the rochdale team sheet is gonna be the st helens kids providing they are fit...they are'nt in full control of they own club!

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theres nothing wrong with taking players on loan from numerous clubs...if it HELPS US!

the issue is signing a deal with 1 club,who then dictates who plays....the whole idea behind it is to help the super league kids bridge the gap between the academy & super league......the first names on the rochdale team sheet is gonna be the st helens kids providing they are fit...they are'nt in full control of they own club!

But because that is how Rochdale have done it, doesn't mean that's how Oldham might do it. I don't know the coach that well but i am sure of one thing. He is his own man, he is employed by Oldham Roughyeds and not Salford. He achieved what he did through hard graft and determination and not by being a yes man.

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Come on everybody lets keep a sense of perspective about this . I have made my views clear about feeder clubs or partnerships , whatever you want to call them , on the :'Oldham' thread on the main forum and I have no intention of going over that ground again ....but suffice to say in an ideal world I would prefer us to remain a standalone club.

Even though nothing has been confirmed officially yet it has become increasingly clear in recent weeks that we would be linking with Salford . But as yet we have no details of how the partnership will operate . As I have already said I am not in favour of this arrangement in principle but surely the time to decide what the pitfalls / benefits of such an arrangement may be for either club is after the full details of the link up have been made public. Until that happens any comments about this can only be supposition . Lets just wait until the full details are released and then we can make our minds up knowing the full facts . Comments such as ' final nail in coffin ' or end of the road ' may be justified but then again they may be well wide of the mark . What I do know is if you keep using that language it can become self-fulfilling .

I feel that there are times when the glass half empty attitude seems to be the norm for many fans and we are all too quick to condemn anything the club does without thinking things through fully . I will wait to see what the arrangement is before deciding one way or the other . However having just read Scott Nayors open letter to fans I don't think you can fail to be impressed with his passion / vision for the club and I get the feeling that he will not allow any interference in his handling of the team . In his words the 20 man squad is handpicked and I reckon that they will all be given their chance to perform whatever form the link up with Salford takes ...

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