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Shoulder charge now banned in Australia and NZ

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Whilst I enjoy a legal shoulder-charge - I don;t have to be on the end of them!

If the experts (players, coaches etc) are recommending that these be banned (and they have some science behind the decision) then who am I to argue?

well i'm a player and i say keep the shoulder charge. i've used it and been on the end of a hell of a lot of them, they really don't bother me.

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Rugby Union has this rule and all it means is you need to make an attempt to tackle using your arms. Shoulder charges are risky if not dangerous, more often than not involving a forearm or elbow. The game would be better without it.

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Going back a few decades a head high tackle generally meant an eight match ban. Nowadays you can re-arrange somebody's face and only get a 3 three game suspension (e.g Rangi Chase on Tangi Ropati earlier this year). Maybe if more draconian punishments were handed out to any form of head high tackle players would concentrate on their tackle technique and they would be less at risk from head injuries.

Taking it one step further, why not say if a player attacks somebodies head with any kind of tackle where his arms do not attempt to wrap around the body, its an automatic 12 match ban.

Don't outlaw the shoulder charge, just severely punish them if they go wrong.

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If the experts (players, coaches etc) are recommending that these be banned (and they have some science behind the decision) then who am I to argue?

Except they aren't. The ARL or whatever it is called put the matter out to consultation but hardly any clubs replied so they banned it anyway. From the report I saw, the players weren't consulted at all.

To me this decision should have been taken solely on the say-so of the players - and only the players. It is they who put on the shot and who take the shot. They should decide. No hits to the head is fair enough; a tough game is one thing, overtly putting lives at risk is something else entirely (and I would be far tougher with hits to the head than the RFL is: swinging arms, tackles, everything would equal a straight red in my book if it hit the head).

But a shoulder charge well done is a sight to behold and although we don't see many of them, when they are done well they are fabulous to watch and really get the crowd going.

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Going back a few decades a head high tackle generally meant an eight match ban. Nowadays you can re-arrange somebody's face and only get a 3 three game suspension (e.g Rangi Chase on Tangi Ropati earlier this year). Maybe if more draconian punishments were handed out to any form of head high tackle players would concentrate on their tackle technique and they would be less at risk from head injuries.

Taking it one step further, why not say if a player attacks somebodies head with any kind of tackle where his arms do not attempt to wrap around the body, its an automatic 12 match ban.

Don't outlaw the shoulder charge, just severely punish them if they go wrong.

Bang on!

If you use the arm then it's not really a shoulder charge. Ban aspects like using the foream, like Sam Burgess does. Don't ban the shoulder charge. Doesn't matter if it's played at 100mph, if you are not 100% sure they aren't' falling into it and you're not sure you can make clear contact between the lower chest and the clavical then its not on.

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Not right fussed, you can still put a huge hit on with a shoulder ban in place. Rather see a tackler trying to get control of an opponent instead of putting his shoulder out to run into.

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well i'm a player and i say keep the shoulder charge. i've used it and been on the end of a hell of a lot of them, they really don't bother me.

I use to love using the shoulder charge! It's one of the reasons I preferred playing league to union. Some people need to realise that an effective shoulder charge does actually require technique and timing, and you don't need to be a man-mountain to perform one. Those recent newsworthy shoulder charges (in Aus only) that have been aimed at the head are in my books, a high tackle and it should simply be a red card offence. Secondly a player could be cited and banned post match if an official misses the high shot during the game. Last season we had no issues in Super League with repetitive illegal shoulder charges....Aus needs to clean their game up by sending people off for high shots to the head (be it with an arm or shoulder). The only shot I recall from last season was Chase's illegal elbow against Featherstone.

Keep the shoulder charge!! It's as much as a part of the game as the 40:20, play-the-ball or the 10 metre rules!

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Keep the shoulder charge!! It's as much as a part of the game as the 40:20, play-the-ball or the 10 metre rules!

Well the Aussie idiots ruining the game made up a report and said " The report shows the Shoulder charge is not a significant part of the game and its removal is unlikely to have any major impact on the game". Clearly clueless and have no idea on the impact a shoulder charge can have. It can change a game and a great shot is appreciated and wanted by both players and fans. Robbie Farah the Wests Hooker said "Your own teammates get a massive lift after a shoulder charge". It makes you wonder who exactly made up this report except for a couple of doctors who have over reacted like Nathan Gibbs. It seems nobody has asked the players or even the coaches as the way to go on shoulder charges.

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We saw far too many 'shoulder charges' in 2012 where fans sought to defend blatant attacks to the head. Kylie 'not that sort of player' Leuluai was one of the worst culprits, but there were high-profile examples from many teams.

For that reason I'm fairly sympathetic towards an attempt to regulate shoulder charges, although I think an outright ban is a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater somewhat. I can live with it though.

What really concerns me is the Australian arrogance involved in this. Once again they've made a unilateral decision on the laws of the game and they'll expect everyone else to follow. Sadly they probably will.

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An enthusiast for the shoulder charge in his game for Saints has tweeted a few tweets against banning it:

Si@ Soliol@@kidceezar

2500th Tweet goes to @ShoulderCharge Give the people n players what they wanna see. AND I WANNA SEE S.B.W GO BOOM

If most players want it to remain, why ban it?

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They shouldn't be allowed to change rules without RLIF approval. Their approach is wrong. We should defo not change any of our rules, if anything it helps us to play International Rules and let them play whatever ....... they are sooooo insular!

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Dont ru play with different rules in different comps at times?

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We saw far too many 'shoulder charges' in 2012 where fans sought to defend blatant attacks to the head. Kylie 'not that sort of player' Leuluai was one of the worst culprits, but there were high-profile examples from many teams.

He shouldn't have gone for it as Hodgson was falling/too low to the ground due to his footwork but Kylie Leuluai's Hit on Hodgson wasn't head high. Only Warrington fans claim it was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXfOfEw7vq4

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I use to love using the shoulder charge! It's one of the reasons I preferred playing league to union. Some people need to realise that an effective shoulder charge does actually require technique and timing, and you don't need to be a man-mountain to perform one. Those recent newsworthy shoulder charges (in Aus only) that have been aimed at the head are in my books, a high tackle and it should simply be a red card offence. Secondly a player could be cited and banned post match if an official misses the high shot during the game. Last season we had no issues in Super League with repetitive illegal shoulder charges....Aus needs to clean their game up by sending people off for high shots to the head (be it with an arm or shoulder). The only shot I recall from last season was Chase's illegal elbow against Featherstone.

Keep the shoulder charge!! It's as much as a part of the game as the 40:20, play-the-ball or the 10 metre rules!

Actually I would argue that a 10m rule is not a strong "part of the game" and in fact is a good reason why the shoulder charge is being banned. A 10m rule allows more time for defenders to race in with much more momentum on a shoulder charge making it more dangerous.

Lets get rid of the 10m rule (to a 5-7m rule) and retain the showder charge

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And if memory serves, the Aussies were the key force behind getting shut of the 10m rule and proper scrums.

We'll be playing 10 a side cocky rusty in a few years if they carry on the way theyre heading

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Not seen a single player in favor of this so far. Watching Tommy cream players twice his size was a treat at the pie dome and always got fans out their seats.

Maybe it was a clause in $BW's contract, god knows there were plenty of shoulders coming his way.

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When I go to a game I like to see teams at full strength, if possible, it's a good thing it's been banned.No good players getting injured in a unexpected shoulder charge.No sense in that.

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When I go to a game I like to see teams at full strength, if possible, it's a good thing it's been banned.No good players getting injured in a unexpected shoulder charge.No sense in that.

How many players have been injured by a shoulder charge in last 5 years who have gone on to miss games?

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How many players have been injured by a shoulder charge in last 5 years who have gone on to miss games?

Have you ever been on the end of one?Obviously you don't watch the game from your comments.

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An enthusiast for the shoulder charge in his game for Saints has tweeted a few tweets against banning it:

Si@ Soliol@@kidceezar

2500th Tweet goes to ������@ShoulderCharge ������ Give the people n players what they wanna see. AND I WANNA SEE S.B.W GO BOOM

If most players want it to remain, why ban it?

and sia was on the receiving end of one of the biggest shoulder charges ever seen....

as for kylie hit on hodgson.....perfectly fine...and its not a shoulder charge either...

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Dont ru play with different rules in different comps at times?

Good question - they had the experimental laws in some merit tables for a while.

If ckn hasn't lost the will to live by now he could perhaps enlighten us.

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Only Warrington fans claim it was.

This London fan thinks it was too.

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Have you ever been on the end of one?Obviously you don't watch the game from your comments.

Yes many a time. So how many players injured?

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