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your original point was looking pretty weak.

In your dreams.

You started dreaming up RU policy and then you dreamed up a debate on RU having "feeder clubs".

My point was NOT about feeder clubs

Lets debate reality. Let's get back to the point I made.

In reality a much much richer version of Rugby has a smaller elite of the same old clubs.

What price a two tier SL of 10 clubs each? What price conferences? What price a 16 club SL.

Pure fantasy dreamland.

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In your dreams.

You started dreaming up RU policy and then you dreamed up a debate on RU having "feeder clubs".

My point was NOT about feeder clubs

Lets debate reality. Let's get back to the point I made.

In reality a much much richer version of Rugby has a smaller elite of the same old clubs.

What price a two tier SL of 10 clubs each? What price conferences? What price a 16 club SL.

Pure fantasy dreamland.

Your point was about feeder clubs. You wanted all the players produced by our new expansion clubs to chanelled into the existing 14 SL clubs. What is that if not a proposal for the creation of yet more feeder clubs.

As I said, RL had better hope they stay smaller. My thoughts on RU exspansion are no more fanatasy than your dreams of a 12 or 14 club fully professional and sustainable SL. At least the RU have the money to fulfill their fantasy. SL dosn't.

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Your point was about feeder clubs.

I know what my point was for gawds sake.

The RU Elite league is immensly more richer than ours yet can manage no more than 12 clubs and little geographic expansion

People's (especially yours) ambitions for RL far exceed it's ability to provide the resources for those ambitions.

Simple

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I know what my point was for gawds sake.

The RU Elite league is immensly more richer than ours yet can manage no more than 12 clubs and little geographic expansion

People's (especially yours) ambitions for RL far exceed it's ability to provide the resources for those ambitions.

Simple

I am sure that when we had 30 professional clubs all in the North, a four team world cup, a dying amateur base, no college, armed forces RL, no summer conferences all over the UK, no female game, no Sky deal and all teams playing in decrepit ancient stadia in the 1960's, people similalry derided any proposals to expand our game and called them incapable of being achieved, but they would have been wrong, wouldn't they?

You look at things or ideas for improvement or expansion and say " Not possible" or "fantasy". This may be true at the time of such proposals. However, all the things listed in my first paragraph changed and for the better. Ideas and ambitions should not be dismissed out of hand because they cannot be implemented today. Things and circumstances change, movers and shakers emerge and things change to the point where ideas and ambitions can be realised.

Time will tell which strategy or which ideas will be proved correct.

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I am sure that when we had 30 professional clubs all in the North, a four team world cup, a dying amateur base, no college, armed forces RL, no summer conferences all over the UK, no female game, no Sky deal and all teams playing in decrepit ancient stadia in the 1960's, people similalry derided any proposals to expand our game and called them incapable of being achieved, but they would have been wrong, wouldn't they?

You look at things or ideas for improvement or expansion and say " Not possible" or "fantasy". This may be true at the time of such proposals. However, all the things listed in my first paragraph changed and for the better. Ideas and ambitions should not be dismissed out of hand because they cannot be implemented today. Things and circumstances change, movers and shakers emerge and things change to the point where ideas and ambitions can be realised.

Time will tell which strategy or which ideas will be proved correct.

Totally agree with all u said there!!!

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You look at things or ideas for improvement or expansion and say " Not possible" or "fantasy". This may be true at the time of such proposals. However, all the things listed in my first paragraph changed and for the better. Ideas and ambitions should not be dismissed out of hand because they cannot be implemented today. Things and circumstances change, movers and shakers emerge and things change to the point where ideas and ambitions can be realised.

Time will tell which strategy or which ideas will be proved correct.

Well the strategy that keeps being thrown at me is small clubs make small steps forward for small rewards, from that positive start things grow and more interest is generated, ambitions can be raised a level and the strategy continues as the club rises up. Another junior star and another hundred on the gate, until the golden gates of heaven (i.e. Superleague) open for that club.

After 17 years time has already told.

Only the big grand old clubs of league and Union really survive professionalism. The rest cannot and have not grown to any level where they can compete.

Sorry you old dreamer, time has already told.

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Well the strategy that keeps being thrown at me is small clubs make small steps forward for small rewards, from that positive start things grow and more interest is generated, ambitions can be raised a level and the strategy continues as the club rises up. Another junior star and another hundred on the gate, until the golden gates of heaven (i.e. Superleague) open for that club.

After 17 years time has already told.

Only the big grand old clubs of league and Union really survive professionalism. The rest cannot and have not grown to any level where they can compete.

Sorry you old dreamer, time has already told.

So that's going to leave us with Leeds, St Helens, Hull, Wigan and Warrington, seeing as that's the only teams that can survive as full time pros in RL. That's a sizeable , impressive number after 17 years of trying. That's probably why the ideas people are having a strategic review of the game at this very time 9 as you like to say " Geddit").

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Keighley ARLFC just beat the pride of Leeds, Drighlington, in Leed to reach the semi final of the Yorkshire cupbut Keighley dont produce players so that must be wrong. Maybe the players for the Keighley team were never juniors,maybe they just emigrated from Leeds to the area.

New information has just come to my knolwledge that Keighley ARLC beat Hunslet in an earlier round, so, even if the claim that Drighlington is not in Leeds is still an issue, the poor Keighley produced players still beat a Leeds team, one in the backyard of Rhinos recruitment no less. As someone said " Glee is good".

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So that's going to leave us with Leeds, St Helens, Hull, Wigan and Warrington, seeing as that's the only teams that can survive as full time pros in RL.

You left out Wakefield, Toulouse, Bradford, Fartown, Salford, London (survived for the full 17 years and proud of it) & Catalans.

Your getting forgetful.

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That's great. Put them both in Superleague then.

These are amateur teams,remember, the winner from an area which does not produce juniors but which beat two teams away who are from that holy of holies an area with a SL team to appeal to all the kids to take up a career as a SL player at the age of 8.

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You left out Wakefield, Toulouse, Bradford, Fartown, Salford, London (survived for the full 17 years and proud of it) & Catalans.

Your getting forgetful.

You are joking, I hope.

.Wakefield, bankrupt twice,surviving as far as we knoe via a sugar daddy.

Toulouse are not nor ever have been in SL.

Bradford, could not make a profit, went bankrupt and are now propped up by 2 restaurants Khan, good luck with that.

Fartown, have never made a profit and are there thanks to the good graces of a sugar daddy.

Salford, have never made a profit, have been supported by a Sugar daddy and now even that is not enough.

London, have never ever made a profit,have been propped up by two seperate sugar daddies and are a serial failure on the field and at the turnstiles.

Catalans I dont really know about although I thought I remembered reading they were a little shaky financially.

So, maybe it s you who have forgotten a few things, things pertinent to being a fully professional stand alone profitable SL club.

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So, maybe it s you who have forgotten a few things, things pertinent to being a fully professional stand alone profitable SL club.

For the thousandth time probably, SL clubs will take private investment and quite right too.

If that investment reduces the SL clubs will have to revamp their business plans.

But the £18M or whatever SKY pay will always pitch the level they play at way above what CC play at.

Write it down so you don't forget it.

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For the thousandth time probably, SL clubs will take private investment and quite right too.

If that investment reduces the SL clubs will have to revamp their business plans.

But the £18M or whatever SKY pay will always pitch the level they play at way above what CC play at.

Write it down so you don't forget it.

It's true that they survive on private investment and I'm glad that they do, BUT your point was stand alone i.e. without financial props each and every year, profitable full time professional clubs and only the big five meet that criterium.

You have forever been banging on about the Sky money alone not being enough to get by on in SL hence your strident opposition of any form of promotion. You can't have it both ways. Either it's not enough or its the panacea for SL success, which is it this week?

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You have forever been banging on about the Sky money alone not being enough to get by on in SL hence your strident opposition of any form of promotion.

There goes that little trick again. Invent my position on something then criticise your own invention.

La la la la la fingers in ears not listening again. I've been posting about Fev's promotion which I wholeheartedly support.

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There goes that little trick again. Invent my position on something then criticise your own invention.

La la la la la fingers in ears not listening again. I've been posting about Fev's promotion which I wholeheartedly support.

Oh,good. Lets drop London or Bradford to give them their place.

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Oh,good. Lets drop London or Bradford to give them their place.

I was rather hoping for an acknowledgement of my published and repeated support for Featherstone getting in SL rich man or not. I don't care who they replace. They deserve their shot before the door shuts.

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Was this thread about France's impressive juniors ? Again people whinge about France at senior level, the problem not enough kids at junior level getting pro experience. It is time to give toulouse at spot bein seems in for the long haul. Are catalans in this junior superleague next season. What is the update on super xiii any more news ? Time for rfl to bite the bullet, they have support and stadium starts in a Month

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I was rather hoping for an acknowledgement of my published and repeated support for Featherstone getting in SL rich man or not. I don't care who they replace. They deserve their shot before the door shuts.

To be fair, you have consistently supported Featherstone in that regard. That's a strange anomaly in your thinking though because you oppose p and r and have strenuously argued against it as a pinciple and against Keighley, Halifax, Leigh, Sheffield in particular on various threads and now you are in favour of CC teams being feeder teams, hence no promotion for them, even the new teams who have not even played a game as a semi pro team yet

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1. To be fair, you have consistently supported Featherstone in that regard.

2. That's a strange anomaly in your thinking though because you oppose p and r

3. and have strenuously argued against it as a pinciple and against Keighley, Halifax, Leigh, Sheffield in particular on various threads

4. now you are in favour of CC teams being feeder teams, hence no promotion for them, even the new teams who have not even played a game as a semi pro team yet

SORRY to the OP for this thread. To stay on topic come on TOULOUSE! Vive le France X111!!!

1. Thank you.

2. No I don't, I have never opposed P & R.

3. No I haven't argued against it. I have just outlined why it doesn't work, and why many people think it's counter productive to the game, and why alternatives can work better. However we may have different meanings of the word "work"

You may mean "work to get Keighley a chance in SL"

I may mean "Work to do the best for the game in general"

Go to four up four down for all I care.

That will satisfy a number of fans and cheese off another number of fans.

4. I'm not in favour of "feeder" teams nor against it.

Why do I have to take sides? Why do you keep trying to portray me as the enemy???

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It's true that they survive on private investment and I'm glad that they do, BUT your point was stand alone i.e. without financial props each and every year, profitable full time professional clubs and only the big five meet that criterium.

You have forever been banging on about the Sky money alone not being enough to get by on in SL hence your strident opposition of any form of promotion. You can't have it both ways. Either it's not enough or its the panacea for SL success, which is it this week?

Actually Parky has only being doing for since around 2010 before that he was of the opinion that "finances don't matter" which generally meant that expansion clubs should be dropped into SL without any questions asked since Sky money was almost enough to fund a club without any other sources of cash.

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