See England take on the best at the 2017 Rugby League World Cup

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An alternative list which is almost as strong, in no particular order:

Laura Trott, Jason Kenny, Victoria Pendleton, Hannah Cockcroft, Jonnie Peacock, Charlotte DuJardin, Lee Pearson, Luke Campbell, Carl Froch, Ian Poulter, Luke Donald, Greg Rutherford, Alistair Brownlee, Louis Smith, Pete Wilson, Ed McKeever, Sophie Christiansen, Jade Jones

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Only 1 Paralympian on the BBC's SPOTY lists?? Hmmm...

A quarter of the list are Paralympians - Ellie Simmons, David Weir and Sarah Storey.

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Claire Balding is on BBC Breakfast. Said it was probably the greatest shortlist ever and plenty of amazing athletes, such as Kev Sinfield, could of got on the list in other years.

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It says something about teh wuali

An alternative list which is almost as strong, in no particular order:

Laura Trott, Jason Kenny, Victoria Pendleton, Hannah Cockcroft, Jonnie Peacock, Charlotte DuJardin, Lee Pearson, Luke Campbell, Carl Froch, Ian Poulter, Luke Donald, Greg Rutherford, Alistair Brownlee, Louis Smith, Pete Wilson, Ed McKeever, Sophie Christiansen, Jade Jones

You can add Johnny Brownlee and Leanda Cave to that list as well. Both won two triathlon world titles this year.

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Claire Balding is on BBC Breakfast. Said it was probably the greatest shortlist ever and plenty of amazing athletes, such as Kev Sinfield, could of got on the list in other years.

She's a good lass!

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It's an impressive list. If they'd swapped Rory McIlroy with someone who'd won a proper event I'd be even happier.

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It's an impressive list. If they'd swapped Rory McIlroy with someone who'd won a proper event I'd be even happier.

Any combo (excluding the golfist) of that shortlist would be fine by me.

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Has got to be Wiggins but after Cavendish won it last year it wouldn't be much of a shock to see a non-cyclist win it. Anyone one of the shortlist with the possible exception of McIlroy deserve to win.

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I'll be voting for David Weir. Six golds across two Paralympics and four in this one - all delivered with grit and soundtracked to The Werewolves of London.

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It says something about teh wuali

You can add Johnny Brownlee and Leanda Cave to that list as well. Both won two triathlon world titles this year.

In any other year, Alastair Cook and Heather Watson may well have been on that list as well.

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SPOTY is rubbish.

This is true.

But any excuse to abuse golfers for their privileged position within the sporting establishment, eh?

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That Bradley Wiggins documentary on Sky ... "A Year in Yellow" is brilliant.

I was at a waste management seminar last week and Ellie Simmons' dad was there. Not that I know him or spoke to him.

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That Bradley Wiggins documentary on Sky ... "A Year in Yellow" is brilliant.

I was at a waste management seminar last week and Ellie Simmons' dad was there. Not that I know him or spoke to him.

I think you have mistaken this for the uninteresting trivial facts thread :lol: only joking mate.

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I'll be voting for David Weir.

Me too. He is the most accomplished of the 12 and his golds were won against determined (and world champion) opposition, with the final one of them being the toughest to get.

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Me too. He is the most accomplished of the 12 and his golds were won against determined (and world champion) opposition, with the final one of them being the toughest to get.

He is a superb athlete and when considering the range of distances you may have a point. But winning the TDF is by far the highest achievement of a British athlete this year. Also to include a gold in the Olympic time trial its been Wiggins' year.

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But winning the TDF is by far the highest achievement of a British athlete this year.

A genuine question hidden behind trolling: why?

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A genuine question hidden behind trolling: why?

Probably the toughest sporting event there is. Racing against the best in the world.

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Probably the toughest sporting event there is. Racing against the best in the world.

And followed up by winning the Olympic title a couple of weeks later.

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Probably the toughest sporting event there is.

There is the difficulty of staying awake, that is true. ;)

Just because something is harder doesn't automatically make it better though. The rules of rugby union are harder to grasp than those of league but nobody with a brain would claim this makes union better.

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There is the difficulty of staying awake, that is true. ;)

Just because something is harder doesn't automatically make it better though. The rules of rugby union are harder to grasp than those of league but nobody with a brain would claim this makes union better.

Who said anything about it being better? If Weir had ridden the Paralympic marathon every day for three weeks and had the lowest overall time then that could almost be comparable to Wiggins winning the TDF.

This is not taking anything away from those sportsmen and women on the shortlist. Their achievements are incredible and it's fantastic that so many could win it (and tough on Sinfield who probably should be on that list).

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Where's John Terry? I'm pretty sure I saw him lifting the Champions League trophy this year.

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There is the difficulty of staying awake, that is true. ;)

Just because something is harder doesn't automatically make it better though. The rules of rugby union are harder to grasp than those of league but nobody with a brain would claim this makes union better.

It wight be argued that the unwritten rules of rugby union are such that for somebody with a brain this makes union better than league.

1. Every gets a game every week until they are in their forties. And useless. There is absolutely no shame in being useless.

2. Good pitches, good changing rooms, good food after the game in your own smart clubhouse.

3. Always a good social scene, never any shortage of disco's etc for the younger end and, in my experience, plenty of young women want to attend. For the older end, you need never lose touch with your old mates and it's surprising how many divorcees attend quiz nights, fund-raising events etc.

4. If you have got young kids, junior rugby gives your wife the chance to enjoy some female company every Sunday morning and/or, send you off with them whilst she goes somewhere else (preferable because she'll take the car and you can have a few pints with your mates). If you coach kids rugby, it's not unknown for the odd single mother to take a shine to you.

5. Always a social tour every season ... playing on tour is optional, boozing is compulsory. If you don't normally drink much, so what ... like everybody else you will be expected to make a prat of yourself. What happens on tour, stays on tour.

6.It is very rare (guilty!! :ph34r:) for there to be cheeking of the referee. Players and officials have a chat afterwards to iron out any disagreements.

7. A lot of very nice people play rugby union. If you are of a similar nature, you will always make lasting friends.

To meet all these factors that influence which game our kids will want to play when they are adults, BARLA and the RFL will have to pump money into the grassroots.

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