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No gav it's very true never watched a SL club on TV.

So how can you say the standard of play is better or worse? Which you have done.

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So how can you say the standard of play is better or worse? Which you have done.

Because when fev don't play on the same day as wakey I go and watch them with some mates who are wakey fans. Plus I watch every GB international.Just for the record I don't enjoy watching wakey as they are not my team but I go for the banter and days out.

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There you go again cocooned in the top tier. What you fail to mention is many teams in the lower tier at that time were attracting crowds of 3 to 4k. Even teams at the bottom of that tier were getting around a 1000. Now there is not one team in the lowest tier of pro rugby getting 1000 and in the second tier averages are only around 1500.

The old second division average crowd around 1995 was 1,300.

Today those clubs average around 1,100

However the biggest depressant of those crowds is the advent of the third tier of RL which nobody wants to watch.

Superleague has seen crowds grow by very high figures.

Outside that the crowd losses are there, but there's a reson for them that is NOT superleague it's the "league of death".

So the point stands that Superleague has drawn tens of thousands of new fans to the game and as such is a tremendous vehicle for the continued success of the game.

Facts don't suit some people I am afraid.

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Yeah I see what you've done. Would it happen though and be successful?

It DOES happen. Superleague get their players from top amateur clubs running junior teams.

For years on here people have perpetrated the myth that the Championship clubs supply players to the game.

They neither supply them nor develop them into professionals.

We need the facts not myths.

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It DOES happen. Superleague get their players from top amateur clubs running junior teams.

For years on here people have perpetrated the myth that the Championship clubs supply players to the game.

They neither supply them nor develop them into professionals.

We need the facts not myths.

Not true we have produced some great youngsters over the years and if I remember rightly fev, Cas and wakey at one stage produced all the best young talent.

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Because when fev don't play on the same day as wakey I go and watch them with some mates who are wakey fans. Plus I watch every GB international.Just for the record I don't enjoy watching wakey as they are not my team but I go for the banter and days out.

If you've been only watching Wakey for the last 16 years no wonder you have such views. :laugh:

(joke Wakey fans)

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If you've been only watching Wakey for the last 16 years no wonder you have such views. :laugh:

(joke Wakey fans)

Like that one

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So what you are saying is shut the door and keep it shut? Then where would most of the SL clubs get a lot of their young lads from? When most if not all the teams below the halllow grail pack in? What would be the point in running a team if there is no where to go? Can you imagine the up roar if this happened in football. Our sport is not a sport it's a mockery of sport and the rest looking in must be laughing their heads off at our game.

The door will be opened if you have the right password. The password is not "open sesame", nor is it "please". It used to be "We've got more points than the others," but it is now something like "We've got better finances, a better junior set up, a better stadium and a better business plan."

Admittedly, we can nit-pick about whether Salford's business plan is actually better than Featherstone's, but that misses the point, which is to convince the people who open the door that it is.

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Yes but they never tried pushing it in the likes of York, Oldham etc like they have in London and Wales and their is a big size difference to be fair.

Good gawd man they've been pushing it in York since 1868.

Before they pushed SL in Wales, in 2009 in the championships the Crusaders crowds were 1,900 whilst York's were 900.

Once Cru got in SL they returned a crowd of 6,200 against Saints, once they landed in Wrexham they got 10,300 against Leeds

Today there are several full time pro Wales players in SL and several quality welsh kids on the fringes.

ONE SL player comes from York.

This dreadful prejudice in which nasty little myths are put about really has to stop.

If Celtic C. had had the gift of a stadium like the Galpharm and a Ken Davey would RL be "failing in Wales"

Would in heckers like.....................

Oldham and London both got the same start in Superleage in 1996 off level

London crowds were 5.077 Oldhams 3,453

London went to the cup final, Oldham went bust.

Today there are millions of Oldham lads in Superleague - erm well four

There are SIX London lads in Superleague and a production line to make that bigger.

Your post was pure northern prejudice.

Once again ignoring the facts.

Like Padge I'm "sick" of having to set them out to correct such myths and prejudices time and again.

PJMWire is sick of me banging on about such things.

Wish he would get sick of the myths peddled on here instead :lol:

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The door will be opened if you have the right password. The password is not "open sesame", nor is it "please". It used to be "We've got more points than the others," but it is now something like "We've got better finances, a better junior set up, a better stadium and a better business plan."

Admittedly, we can nit-pick about whether Salford's business plan is actually better than Featherstone's, but that misses the point, which is to convince the people who open the door that it is.

But that's what's wrong with it IMO. It shouldn't be on who's got a bigger stadium etc. Widnes going up was a joke along with the crusaders. Widnes never finished above 4th in our league but got promoted because of their Stobart deal shocking if you ask me it should be on the field performances alone.

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But that's what's wrong with it IMO. It shouldn't be on who's got a bigger stadium etc. Widnes going up was a joke along with the crusaders. Widnes never finished above 4th in our league but got promoted because of their Stobart deal shocking if you ask me it should be on the field performances alone.

Their Stobart deal? Do you wear a tin foil hat too?

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Their Stobart deal? Do you wear a tin foil hat too?

Gav they had some input into that I'm in no doubt about that. That's one of the reasons they were given the go ahead not because they had 1.5 k crowds like us.

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Not true we have produced some great youngsters over the years and if I remember rightly fev, Cas and wakey at one stage produced all the best young talent.

Wake up, it's 2012.

In 1983 Featherstone won the Challenge cup with all but one player being local.

By 1995 they were poised to get to Wembley but fell to Leeds with only ONE local player in the side.

What clubs used to do they don't do now.

Big successful clubs like Wigan and Leeds who have been promoting local junior RL and developing players can pick a whole first XV11 of local born professional players.

Your area need a big successful club to do the same - believe me they can.

But Fev can't whistle down the pit for players anymore, it's 2012 not 1967.

Wakefield produces less top pros than London yet you say London are failures.

Cas are deadly skint.

What I say is true.

The trick you pulled was to say it was NOT true YEARS AGO.

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Gav they had some input into that I'm in no doubt about that. That's one of the reasons they were given the go ahead not because they had 1.5 k crowds like us.

Thats too much conspiracy nonsense for me, I don't even know where to begin. In fact your thoughts on the game in general are quite concerning. I'm out.

Best of luck at Featherstone for 2013, you just have too much made-up crazyness for me to cope with, sorry.

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Wake up, it's 2012.

In 1983 Featherstone won the Challenge cup with all but one player being local.

By 1995 they were poised to get to Wembley but fell to Leeds with only ONE local player in the side.

What clubs used to do they don't do now.

Big successful clubs like Wigan and Leeds who have been promoting local junior RL and developing players can pick a whole first XV11 of local born professional players.

Your area need a big successful club to do the same - believe me they can.

But Fev can't whistle down the pit for players anymore, it's 2012 not 1967.

Wakefield produces less top pros than London yet you say London are failures.

Cas are deadly skint.

What I say is true.

The trick you pulled was to say it was NOT true YEARS AGO.

We have produced some good young players since SL started and I know we have one of the best academy's about at the minute. We have some great youngsters at the minute and when they break into the first team I bet a lot more get snapped up too unless we are in the big league at the time.

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Widnes going up was a joke

Steve O'Connor is a millionaire putting his money where his mouth is and trying to get Widnes back to what they were in living memory - the world champions. I was there that night.

You want a good laugh??

Put a championship club in SL without a private investor.

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Thats too much conspiracy nonsense for me, I don't even know where to begin. In fact your thoughts on the game in general are quite concerning. I'm out.

Best of luck at Featherstone for 2013, you just have too much made-up crazyness for me to cope with, sorry.

Gav I agree their Is no facts or stats to the statement but why did they get the nod? They haven't got anything we haven't.

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I know we have one of the best academy's about at the minute. We have some great youngsters at the minute and when they break into the first team I bet a lot more get snapped up.

Well you've produced ONE.

So stick to facts not optimistic predictions and the one you produced high tailed it to Leeds.

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Steve O'Connor is a millionaire putting his money where his mouth is and trying to get Widnes back to what they were in living memory - the world champions. I was there that night.

You want a good laugh??

Put a championship club in SL without a private investor.

Ok then we have got a big backer should we get in automatically then?

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Well you've produced ONE.

So stick to facts not optimistic predictions and the one you produced high tailed it to Leeds.

One? One that made it internationally but quite a lot that haven't too.Also the one you are on about is arguably one of the best full backs in SL.

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But that's what's wrong with it IMO. It shouldn't be on who's got a bigger stadium etc. Widnes going up was a joke along with the crusaders. Widnes never finished above 4th in our league but got promoted because of their Stobart deal shocking if you ask me it should be on the field performances alone.

I understand your viewpoint, but on-field performances alone won't work. Decent finances are crucial. Break the bank to gain promotion and the next season you are doomed. The gap is too big. The world has changed. SL is full-time pro.

I know some of the SL clubs have 'dodgy' finances, but that is down to shoddy application of the regulations, not the regulations themselves.

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The door will be opened if you have the right password.

Now there's a fact.

Hudgell and O'Connor whispered "money" in the ear of the licensing commitee

Peel Holdings are set to whisper the same.

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I understand your viewpoint, but on-field performances alone won't work. Decent finances are crucial. Break the bank to gain promotion and the next season you are doomed. The gap is too big. The world has changed. SL is full-time pro.

I know some of the SL clubs have 'dodgy' finances, but that is down to shoddy application of the regulations, not the regulations themselves.

I agree their is a big trap door for financial failure. But shouldn't P and R come back if they find a way to make it financially safe?

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Ok then we have got a big backer should we get in automatically then?

YES YES YES YES YES 1,000 TIMES YES GAZ.

Then what you do is scout round skint Cas's junior clubs and outbid Wakey for the best in their area, and watch your academy churn out a first XV11 to rival Wigan and Leeds.

There are 22 pros from Leeds in SL 20 from Wigan and 22 from your region. so it can be done

Go out and get 'em Gaz, keep 'em and show Superleague you can do it.

Make sure you crush Wakey and Cas into oblivion, ensure you object to both being in Superleague in those two tips they play out of, if either get a good player buy them off them, once you get rid of them out of SL you can set about attracting each new generation of fan in the Calder area to Featherstone Rovers.

The ONLY SL gig in the biggest and strongest RL region in the northern hempishere.

In time a new ground on all that land you have???

Go for it man.....

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