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Setting up a new one in the next street would be completely pointless.

Completely agree Gavin - RIP ORLFC

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Completely agree Gavin - RIP ORLFC

Did you miss the full fixture list Oldham released for next season too?

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Did you miss the full fixture list Oldham released for next season too?

I may be old young fella but I'm still able to read the lines.....and between them!

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Another Championship club gets stuffed up with this ridiculous arrangement. I can see a few clubs disappearing as many fans dont want these links and for them its the end of their club as they see it. People like Gav can live in a dream world and pretend everything is rosy and that the Championship sides will prosper under such things. The reality is many clubs independence has gone. Fans are angry and fed up with many ready to walk away from the game forever. This may benefit SL clubs in saving money but these arrangements could be the death of some clubs, if potentially hundreds of fans walk away from the championship and stop putting their money to clubs. Fans for many years feel their club has been taken over and its now just a feeder club in all but name. The BS presented by the Clubs and RFL saying its not feeder clubs can be seen through by many fans. Its started off as DR and then each season it changed to now this. Another 5-10 years the Championship will be a Feeder Club League. I dont see what Oldham stand to gain really as Salford are in a mess themselves and likely will be for the next few years. Salford dont have money or even a great academy or fringe players. Featherstone have a much better academy and the likes of Halifax, Featherstone and Sheffield are better run.

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RIP ORLFC.............been a fan for 28 years......but im not going to support salford reserves...

and judging by the comments on the clubs facebook page neither are alot of people...

That does come over a bit Ian Paisley, "Nevah! Nevah! Nevah!!!!!!

"A lot of people" and "Oldham Roughyeds" are terms I never thought I'd see used in the same phrase.

I though maybe we should praise the far-sightedness of Chris Hamilton in saving the club from oblivion.

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...People like Gav can live in a dream world and pretend everything is rosy and that the Championship sides will prosper under such things...

This is my issue mate. There can never be an inbetween with Rugby League fans can there? It has to either revolutionise the game or kill it completely.

I'm not in a dream world. Everything certainly isn't rosy, there is plenty that can be improved. Will the Championship prosper under these partnerships? Maybe, maybe not...

I'm sorry for not sounding the death knell at this news, but all I'm doing is trying to keep a sense of perspective here. Someone has to!

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That does come over a bit Ian Paisley, "Nevah! Nevah! Nevah!!!!!!

"A lot of people" and "Oldham Roughyeds" are terms I never thought I'd see used in the same phrase.

I though maybe we should praise the far-sightedness of Chris Hamilton in saving the club from oblivion.

the club won't be able to sustain itself on attendances of 250-300.....thats what todays announcement has done.....i

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This is my issue mate. There can never be an inbetween with Rugby League fans can there? It has to either revolutionise the game or kill it completely.

I'm not in a dream world. Everything certainly isn't rosy, there is plenty that can be improved. Will the Championship prosper under these partnerships? Maybe, maybe not...

I'm sorry for not sounding the death knell at this news, but all I'm doing is trying to keep a sense of perspective here. Someone has to!

Precisely. There's never any balance it's one extreme or the other. I can easily understand Oldham fans being cautious or objecting to the idea but nothing has happened yet and we simply don't know how these arrangements will pan out.

How about we try a radical approach and wait and see what happens?

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First of all, I think all Oldham supporters should breathe a huge sigh of relief that it isn't Saints who they are partnered with. At least you got to choose your own coach and didn't have The Cronies taking over your club.

Secondly, Salford is only a screw up because it must have the worst group of managers in place in the whole of any league in the sport. They really are the worst. Hopefully once the deal with Peel/Salford Council is finalised, the new owners will bin the lot of them and put proper managers in place who actually know what they are doing. Should that happen then there is no reason why Salford couldn't become much more competitive and be as good a club as any to link up with.

I was hoping that Oldham would be partnered with a Superleague team as they are one of the Championship 1 clubs who need support, just as Rochdale does (it didn't need a takeover mind). I will be interested to see whether that partnership does bring the advantages to Oldham that I hope it will.

I just hope that this partnership business doesn't create a two tier Championship 1. I think Gateshead Thunder and North Wales Crusaders are without partners and that's a shame. Gateshead in particular could have really benefited from some young Superleague players and they have a superb community club going up there.

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Another Championship club gets stuffed up with this ridiculous arrangement. I can see a few clubs disappearing as many fans dont want these links and for them its the end of their club as they see it. People like Gav can live in a dream world and pretend everything is rosy and that the Championship sides will prosper under such things. The reality is many clubs independence has gone. Fans are angry and fed up with many ready to walk away from the game forever. This may benefit SL clubs in saving money but these arrangements could be the death of some clubs, if potentially hundreds of fans walk away from the championship and stop putting their money to clubs. Fans for many years feel their club has been taken over and its now just a feeder club in all but name. The BS presented by the Clubs and RFL saying its not feeder clubs can be seen through by many fans. Its started off as DR and then each season it changed to now this. Another 5-10 years the Championship will be a Feeder Club League. I dont see what Oldham stand to gain really as Salford are in a mess themselves and likely will be for the next few years. Salford dont have money or even a great academy or fringe players. Featherstone have a much better academy and the likes of Halifax, Featherstone and Sheffield are better run.

Hang on, we are talking about clubs who are teetering on the brink and many of them have been for a good while, how long can Hamilton and others in the game keep on trying to prop up clubs that have been failing for years.

If a bunch backward looking old fogies want to walk away from the club because they don't like it, then all they are doing is possibly bringing forward the day of reckoning, They should be spending their energies on encouraging young support to get behind the club instead of spouting negativity, because when they pop their clogs there will be nobody there to keep the club afloat anyway. The rubbish spouted by the opponents of these arrangements is beyond belief.

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ask any oldham fan what chris hamilton is like when he tries working with other people..

i personally know people who have worked with him...and have quit because hes impossible to work with....

im hoping that in a few months chris gets annoyed that "someone else is trying to run his club" and pulld the plug on the agreement

thats the only brightside imo....and its very possible too lol

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I think Sheddings has answered for me.

Sheddings is entitled to speak for himself but not for all four hundred.

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the club won't be able to sustain itself on attendances of 250-300.....thats what todays announcement has done.....i

It couldnt sustain itself as a superleague club either - Did Oldham not lose alot of identity when you had to form a new company with a new name etc back then?

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It couldnt sustain itself as a superleague club either - Did Oldham not lose alot of identity when you had to form a new company with a new name etc back then?

no it did'nt.....we where still oldham and we had attendances well over 1000...which can sustain a club in the lower leagues...hth

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Hang on, we are talking about clubs who are teetering on the brink and many of them have been for a good while, how long can Hamilton and others in the game keep on trying to prop up clubs that have been failing for years.

If a bunch backward looking old fogies want to walk away from the club because they don't like it, then all they are doing is possibly bringing forward the day of reckoning, They should be spending their energies on encouraging young support to get behind the club instead of spouting negativity, because when they pop their clogs there will be nobody there to keep the club afloat anyway. The rubbish spouted by the opponents of these arrangements is beyond belief.

The rubbish itself is beyond belief. Unfortunately the fact that it exists is all too believable. And it is spouted all too often.

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no it did'nt.....we where still oldham and we had attendances well over 1000...which can sustain a club in the lower leagues...hth

Skolars and Gateshead survive on crowds of 250-300.

I'm not saying its a good this but it makes this point you're trying to make a bit redundant.

You're moaning about the club not being able to operate with such small crowds, so what do you think throwing your toys out of the pram and staying away will achieve...?

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Sheddings is entitled to speak for himself but not for all four hundred.

He's pretty much spoke for me too! As far as I'm concerned, my club has died today and whatever aberration takes to the field next season, it certainly wont be an Oldham side in the true sense of the word!

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1. The reality is many clubs independence has gone. Fans are angry and fed up with many ready to walk away from the game forever. This may benefit SL clubs in saving money but these arrangements could be the death of some clubs, if potentially hundreds of fans walk away from the championship and stop putting their money to clubs.

2. I dont see what Oldham stand to gain really as Salford are in a mess themselves and likely will be for the next few years. Salford dont have money or even a great academy or fringe players. Featherstone have a much better academy and the likes of Halifax, Featherstone and Sheffield are better run.

1. I know, your right, but I have watched as several clubs have died like Blackpool, York, Bramley, Rochdale, and nearly Hunslet. In the end who really cares apart from the stalwarts who resurrect these clubs?.

And what happens when the club's name is resurrected? The financial struggles are resurrected too and it's back to square one once the euphoria of being "saved" wears off.

Yes, hundreds of championship fans will walk away and take their money with them. But to what effect?? Every last penny they spend is seemingly lost in the struggle. I'm sure the people who run the RFL would like to see new generations of fans in Oldham going to watch Salford, certainly the new generations of Hunslet and Bramley people watch Leeds.

As has been said it's 2012, and it will never be 1952 again.

2. Salford are clearly not in a mess as Peel holdings are agreeing a deal and this is a sign it is happening. Have a look at the two SL clubs who have yet to announce any link up for a mess.

As for the old Chestnut of Fev, Sheffield and Fax, for the millionth time, they don't have the money for Superleague Peel Holdings do.

Being "well run" doesn't bridge a £2,000,000 a year gap.

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1. I know, your right, but I have watched as several clubs have died like Blackpool, York, Bramley, Rochdale, and nearly Hunslet. In the end who really cares apart from the stalwarts who resurrect these clubs?.

And what happens when the club's name is resurrected? The financial struggles are resurrected too and it's back to square one once the euphoria of being "saved" wears off.

Yes, hundreds of championship fans will walk away and take their money with them. But to what effect?? Every last penny they spend is seemingly lost in the struggle. I'm sure the people who run the RFL would like to see new generations of fans in Oldham going to watch Salford, certainly the new generations of Hunslet and Bramley people watch Leeds.

As has been said it's 2012, and it will never be 1952 again.

2. Salford are clearly not in a mess as Peel holdings are agreeing a deal and this is a sign it is happening. Have a look at the two SL clubs who have yet to announce any link up for a mess.

As for the old Chestnut of Fev, Sheffield and Fax, for the millionth time, they don't have the money for Superleague Peel Holdings do.

Being "well run" doesn't bridge a £2,000,000 a year gap.

Who says we don't have the money for super league? We are in a better financial position than some super league clubs.Our chairman as said publicly that we would use all the salary cap up if we gained access to super league. How many outside the top 4 in super league use the full salary cap?

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Hang on, we are talking about clubs who are teetering on the brink and many of them have been for a good while, how long can Hamilton and others in the game keep on trying to prop up clubs that have been failing for years.

If a bunch backward looking old fogies want to walk away from the club because they don't like it, then all they are doing is possibly bringing forward the day of reckoning, They should be spending their energies on encouraging young support to get behind the club instead of spouting negativity, because when they pop their clogs there will be nobody there to keep the club afloat anyway. The rubbish spouted by the opponents of these arrangements is beyond belief.

Have to agree, but the young support want Superleague, I'd like to see them get it. I'd like to see kids in Oldham, Swinton, Rochdale and all around the M60 being taken by their dads to Barton for a dose of Devilmania!

That's just me putting the game before the clubs....

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Who says we don't have the money for super league? We are in a better financial position than some super league clubs.

Your accounts show losses every year for the last three years, and that's operating in a league with a cap of £300K.

Some SL clubs may include the struggling Cas and HKR, note that they struggle on 7,000 gates.

If Mr, Campbell has said Fev will pay full cap every year, has he also said how??

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Have to agree, but the young support want Superleague, I'd like to see them get it. I'd like to see kids in Oldham, Swinton, Rochdale and all around the M60 being taken by their dads to Barton for a dose of Devilmania!

That's just me putting the game before the clubs....

I don't actually care which club they watch, as long as it plays 13 a side!

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Your accounts show losses every year for the last three years, and that's operating in a league with a cap of £300K.

Some SL clubs may include the struggling Cas and HKR, note that they struggle on 7,000 gates.

Yes but the away support in the championship is non existent apart from Halifax and Leigh. I'm sure most of the super league teams would struggle to make a profit in the championship. We have one if not the best supported clubs outside of super league.

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Have to agree, but the young support want Superleague, I'd like to see them get it. I'd like to see kids in Oldham, Swinton, Rochdale and all around the M60 being taken by their dads to Barton for a dose of Devilmania!

That's just me putting the game before the clubs....

As an Oldham fan, I would like to see kids in Oldham, Swinton and Rochdale watching their home town clubs! My lad has no interest in watching a team with second rate Salford players in it masquerading as an Oldham side! He's told me today that he has no interest now Hamilton has sold out and will concentrate on watching the towns football side! I think that's where my money might well be going to - watching a side that actually does represent the town!

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