Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Saint Billinge

The older, wealthier generation and alcohol!

97 posts in this topic

Not everyone who buys loads of cheap booze from the supermarket actually drinks it themselves though. I'm getting loads in for Xmas but then I am having lots of people round.

Anything that doesn't get drunk over Xmas will be drunk over the year. In fact, I've still got quite a bit unopened from last year. Why should this option be removed from me due to other peoples irresponsibility?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not everyone who buys loads of cheap booze from the supermarket actually drinks it themselves though. I'm getting loads in for Xmas but then I am having lots of people round.

Anything that doesn't get drunk over Xmas will be drunk over the year. In fact, I've still got quite a bit unopened from last year. Why should this option be removed from me due to other peoples irresponsibility?

Exactly, I rarely drink at home but like a can of beer or a glass of wine now and again. Almost all of my drinking is done in pubs The anti-drinking lobby are obviously growing in confidence and are becoming quite vocal. If you don't drink fine, I won't compel you to, but equally don't try and stop me drinking till the world goes dark and I fall over if that's what i want to do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some while ago, when the anti-smoking lobby was winning it arguments (quite correctly in my opinion) we were cautioned to expect attention soon to be turned to alcohol. What really concerns me is that we are rushing headlong into measures that will not work, and for all the wrong reasons.

The anti-supermarket brigade who seize any opportunity to denigrate them

The " do as I say not do as I do" brand of middle class socialists

Many other axe grinders from across the political spectrum

etc etc etc

So, minimum pricing is brought it, but does not appear to work. I know, lets increase the minimum price progressively until only MPs can afford it on expenses, rather than saying, well, that didn't work so we'l change tack, you KNOW that is what will happen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's always been a drink problem in this country. Half the working Victorians were ###### up. The difference nowadays is that there aren't enough slums to hide them in.

A minimum price on drinking won't be affect anything, we'll just end up with a Still where the cannabis plants were once kept.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the chances of any government taking on Tesco and Asda are pretty slim. But I agree. The idea of minimum alcohol pricing is essentially a good one, but it could be improved by differentiating between on and off license sales.

My thoughts would be to impose a high minimum per unit price in the off-trade and bring in limits on the number of off-licenses. I'd then impose a much lower rate of duty and lower minimum price for the on-trade. This would encourage people to drink in pubs, bars and clubs, not at home. The social and economic benefits of that should be self evident.

My basic idea is that, as a general rule, it should never be cheaper to buy alcohol in a shop than in a pub.

The other thing I'd do is to toughen up the legal powers to deal with landlords who allow excessive drunkenness on their premises.

You are aware that the proposed minimum pricing will not alter the price of drinks in a pub?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not everyone who buys loads of cheap booze from the supermarket actually drinks it themselves though. I'm getting loads in for Xmas but then I am having lots of people round.

Anything that doesn't get drunk over Xmas will be drunk over the year. In fact, I've still got quite a bit unopened from last year. Why should this option be removed from me due to other peoples irresponsibility?

There's nothing to stop discounting (there's a technical explanation in the consultation which I'm sure you've all read) and nothing to stop you as merely a social drinker possibly buying lower strength booze which will be cheaper anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Exactly, I rarely drink at home but like a can of beer or a glass of wine now and again. Almost all of my drinking is done in pubs

Then this will make no difference to you at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The anti-supermarket brigade who seize any opportunity to denigrate them

I think supermarkets are a wonder of the modern world. The fact that, pretty much anywhere in the country, at almost anytime of day or night, I can buy a banana for very little money is an astonishing and under-celebrated thing.

I just prefer pubs for drinking in and hope that supermarkets don't kill them all off by undercutting them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You are aware that the proposed minimum pricing will not alter the price of drinks in a pub?

Yes. And I think that's good. I think that pubs are inherently good things and would like to see more support for them. Just as soon as I rid myself of the offspring (only 16 more years) I intend to return to my previous heavily pubcentric life.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's nothing to stop discounting (there's a technical explanation in the consultation which I'm sure you've all read) and nothing to stop you as merely a social drinker possibly buying lower strength booze which will be cheaper anyway.

What on earth would I want with low strength booze? ;)

I wouldn't class myself as a social drinker, I drink to get drunk, otherwise I leave it alone and don't bother.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Then this will make no difference to you at all.

doesn't mean I can't object to it, I've never been hung but I have a view on hanging.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not everyone who buys loads of cheap booze from the supermarket actually drinks it themselves though. I'm getting loads in for Xmas but then I am having lots of people round.

Anything that doesn't get drunk over Xmas will be drunk over the year. In fact, I've still got quite a bit unopened from last year. Why should this option be removed from me due to other peoples irresponsibility?

If the 45p unit price was here today, have you worked out how much extra your Christmas stash would cost compared to what you paid?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wouldn't class myself as a social drinker, I drink to get drunk, otherwise I leave it alone and don't bother.

I have to admit that's my view as well.

I find the idea that I would get home from work and sink a bottle glass of wine as a matter of course "to help me relax" rather odd. What's wrong with tea?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have to admit that's my view as well.

I find the idea that I would get home from work and sink a bottle glass of wine as a matter of course "to help me relax" rather odd. What's wrong with tea?

This is exactly how I see it. I don't drink every day and sometimes not for weeks. But if we're drinking, then lets do it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the 45p unit price was here today, have you worked out how much extra your Christmas stash would cost compared to what you paid?

(shudder) I'd rather not thanks.......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think supermarkets are a wonder of the modern world. The fact that, pretty much anywhere in the country, at almost anytime of day or night, I can buy a banana for very little money is an astonishing and under-celebrated thing.

I just prefer pubs for drinking in and hope that supermarkets don't kill them all off by undercutting them.

I didn't mean you, Steve. I was more meaning the sort of people who contribute to, say, the BBC Radio 4 Food Programmme...where supermarkets are anathema.

I would certainly like to see something done about the many problems that seem to be associated with the supply, consumption, use and abuse of alcohol. I'm just not sure that this well do anything other than put the price up...and if it doesn't work, the "authorities" will just want to put the price up even more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I didn't mean you, Steve. I was more meaning the sort of people who contribute to, say, the BBC Radio 4 Food Programmme...where supermarkets are anathema.

The snobbishness of bead and kaftan wearing lefties is the second most irritating thing about being on the left. The first being the idiocy, loutishness and general unreasonableness of those "comrades" who insist on calling themselves comrades.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the 45p unit price was here today, have you worked out how much extra your Christmas stash would cost compared to what you paid?

So far I've bought two cases of ale in a bottle and half dozen bottles of red.

So that is approx 3 x 24 = 72 units from the ale and 10 x 6 = 60 units of red.

I paid £36 for the ale £30 for the wine which both works out at 50p per unit. I thought I got good deals on my booze and it looks like it would make no difference for me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's why it's a price per unit rather than a tax or other duty.

Out of interest, is there a provision for a variant of the "meal deal" in amongst all the information you've read? Could a supermarket charge the minimum price for say three bottles of wine and then throw in a main, side and desert for example?

So far I've bought two cases of ale in a bottle and half dozen bottles of red.

So that is approx 3 x 24 = 72 units from the ale and 10 x 6 = 60 units of red.

I paid £36 for the ale £30 for the wine which both works out at 50p per unit. I thought I got good deals on my booze and it looks like it would make no difference for me.

I think I'm the same, one of the benefits of me being a light weight drinker is I tend to stick to what I like rather than whats on offer and so my 3 bottles of beer for a fiver offers or variants there of will seemingly be unaffected based on there being roughly 2.5 units a bottle.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's fairly stupid. It's in the interests of the Scotch Whiskey Association to put prices up. Minimum alcohol pricing means that higher quality producers will no longer be undercut at the low end - why pay a lot for awful slop when you could pay the same for a decent drop?

If they act wisely, they'll see their sales increase. British businesses are not generally famous for acting wisely though..

I think the SWA are thinking about their export markets; they are worried that other EU countries might introduce measures that target alcohol imports using 'health measures' as a cover.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's a fairly safe bet that, if minimum pricing is introduced, the major breweries will claim that the loss in supermarket sales has devastated their turnover ... and thus they have no option but to raise the price of drinks in pubs and clubs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.