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gingerjon

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Complete nonsense. By your own rationale, people resident in Yourkshire and lancashire but working in London do so because wages in Lancs & Yorks are not enough to live on. Salary in the UK dictates your lifestyle noty your ability to live. How many people on this forum have taken a new job that required greater travelling distance but better prospects and financial rewards ?

The stats available contradict what you say. Latest studies state average commute is 77 minutes per day which is 13 more minutes than the UK average. Particularly given incoming intercity arriving before 10:00 are typically full by the time they get south of Birmingham or West of Reading or North East of Chelmsford. Going in the opposite direction they look like a ghost train. The reverse occurs after 16:00.

So who goes to these events? Must be Expat Northerners in London? Would these be the same people who cannot be bothered to watch the Broncos when it is the best value and cheapest pro elite sport in London they would rather watch the game on TV in a pub.

The only ones I met have been people who returned to Leeds after working in London for a number of years. The others were students.

You have still not defined what you mean by quality of life. It means different things to different people.

In terms of quality of life you do realise only one city in the UK made the top 50 cities for QOL and guess which it was. No city place in Northern England made the rankings, Scottish cities made it on the list as did Dublin. In terms of infrastructure London is one of the top ranked cities in world.

When you see figures quoted like £2,731 per head being spent on improving transport infrastructure in London, as opposed to £5 per head in the North East England region, then it's little wonder.

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Complete nonsense. By your own rationale, people resident in Yourkshire and lancashire but working in London do so because wages in Lancs & Yorks are not enough to live on. Salary in the UK dictates your lifestyle noty your ability to live. How many people on this forum have taken a new job that required greater travelling distance but better prospects and financial rewards ?

Now that is nonsense. London is about the only place where you can have a job but not afford to live there. Leeds certainly isn't like that.

The stats available contradict what you say. Latest studies state average commute is 77 minutes per day which is 13 more minutes than the UK average. Particularly given incoming intercity arriving before 10:00 are typically full by the time they get south of Birmingham or West of Reading or North East of Chelmsford. Going in the opposite direction they look like a ghost train. The reverse occurs after 16:00.

Source?

So who goes to these events? Must be Expat Northerners in London? Would these be the same people who cannot be bothered to watch the Broncos when it is the best value and cheapest pro elite sport in London they would rather watch the game on TV in a pub.

Tourists.

The only ones I met have been people who returned to Leeds after working in London for a number of years. The others were students.

You have still not defined what you mean by quality of life. It means different things to different people.

In terms of quality of life you do realise only one city in the UK made the top 50 cities for QOL and guess which it was. No city place in Northern England made the rankings, Scottish cities made it on the list as did Dublin. In terms of infrastructure London is one of the top ranked cities in world.

Source?

If by infrastructure you mean transport then you must be kidding. Milan has a far better underground system. Even Bucharest is better.

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I don't buy this 'unfriendly southerners' line either, I've met many great people in London boozers, not least the last time England played Aus at Wembley.

There are people like that but offices in London are incredibly unfriendly, impersonal places. People simply do not talk to each other. Pubs can be another matter.

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There are people like that but offices in London are incredibly unfriendly, impersonal places. People simply do not talk to each other. Pubs can be another matter.

I worked in London for almost ten years. I found that because everyone got public transport home they could go out for a post work pint. The offices I've worked in outside London have been on industrial estates miles from a pub (or somewhere decent to get lunch) and everyone has to drive home anyway.

London is a terrific place to live and work. I love the place. Everyone should spend a few years living and working in a big city, just for the experience.

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So who goes to these events? Must be Expat Northerners in London? Would these be the same people who cannot be bothered to watch the Broncos when it is the best value and cheapest pro elite sport in London they would rather watch the game on TV in a pub.

When I was an expat Northerner in London, I think I watched the Broncos/Quins about six times in almost ten years. On all but one of those occasions, they were playing Huddersfield. Just because I had moved to London didn't mean I changed the team I support.

I did watch the Skolars regularly, but I doubt I would have done if they hadn't been two divisions below Huddersfield.

And yes, I did used to go to all sorts of events and exhibitions when I was in London. If you're the kind of person who reads the listings magazine on a Sunday and thinks "Ooh, an exhibition on the political implications of cartographer...sounds interesting", then you'll find stuff to go and see wherever you are. If you just want to stay home and watch X Factor, that's fine, but you won't then really see the benefit of living in a big city like London.

Incidentally, there is a very active cultural life outside London as well. In fact, I think it's probably better because it's more inclusive in the sense that it usually seems to involve being active in it, rather than being a passive spectator.

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London is a fantastic place when you are young with no family responsibilities. Something to do every night and no home ownership, DIY, gardening, running the kids around etc to distract you. However, when you do meet someone and embark on those reponsibilities, you can't afford a house in the centre and you have to move to suburbia. Then you have to do all those tasks on top of a ~2.5 hour daily commute; in real terms the commute itself equates to working an extra day per week.

Mugs.

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Incidentally, there is a very active cultural life outside London as well. In fact, I think it's probably better because it's more inclusive in the sense that it usually seems to involve being active in it, rather than being a passive spectator.

I think this is true.

And I have been to a fantastic exhibition about the political implications of cartography.

In fact, two. I've been to two fantastic exhibitions about the political implications of cartography.

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I worked in London for almost ten years. I found that because everyone got public transport home they could go out for a post work pint. The offices I've worked in outside London have been on industrial estates miles from a pub (or somewhere decent to get lunch) and everyone has to drive home anyway.

That is often true but it's also the case that office staff had little connection with where they worked. If you ask for directions in the centre of London then you'll often get the reply "I don't know mate, I only work here, I go home after work". Also because of the size of the offices and the rapid turnover of staff, people would wait a long time before they decided whether you were worth getting to know you. I knew people who had worked in a particular office for ten years but didn't have any real friends because they weren't part of any particular team so nobody bothered to talk to them.

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That is often true but it's also the case that office staff had little connection with where they worked. If you ask for directions in the centre of London then you'll often get the reply "I don't know mate, I only work here, I go home after work". Also because of the size of the offices and the rapid turnover of staff, people would wait a long time before they decided whether you were worth getting to know you. I knew people who had worked in a particular office for ten years but didn't have any real friends because they weren't part of any particular team so nobody bothered to talk to them.

I've just done a quick count.

I think I've worked in 14 different offices in London.

Not one matches your description.

And we are all off for a drink after work later - if anyone asks for us for directions whilst we're walking over we'll just spin them some yarn about how we couldn't possibly know ...

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I think I've worked in 14 different offices in London.

Doesn't that suggest a high turnover?

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Doesn't that suggest a high turnover?

Only for me, to be honest!

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People are the same all over the country, most sound as a pound, a few miserable sods and a small minority of pricks.

Or sarnd as a parnd.

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I've just done a quick count.

I think I've worked in 14 different offices in London.

Not one matches your description.

And we are all off for a drink after work later - if anyone asks for us for directions whilst we're walking over we'll just spin them some yarn about how we couldn't possibly know ...

I've worked for at least six. They were all like that.

And it's not just me as I've worked in a fair few offices in Leeds and they were never like that.

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That is often true but it's also the case that office staff had little connection with where they worked. If you ask for directions in the centre of London then you'll often get the reply "I don't know mate, I only work here, I go home after work". Also because of the size of the offices and the rapid turnover of staff, people would wait a long time before they decided whether you were worth getting to know you. I knew people who had worked in a particular office for ten years but didn't have any real friends because they weren't part of any particular team so nobody bothered to talk to them.

Have you thought that maybe it's just you that nobody wants to get to know better and have a drink with? Can't think why mind.

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Have you thought that maybe it's just you that nobody wants to get to know better and have a drink with? Can't think why mind.

Not really.

I had friends in my team.

It's just people didn't talk to people from other teams. And some people didn't talk to people in their own team.

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During my 2.5 years in the smoke, mid 1980s, my office mates would go for a few drinks in central London on a Friday night when work was finished at the Co-Op HQ Stratford Broadwa, long since demolished, replaced by the new shopping centre opened for the Olympics

The City pubs mainly all shut by 8pm but the West End was always thronging

I was the only one that drank bitter (bleedin' norvener) but I was necessary to navigate the Londoners around London as my 'knowledge' was better than any of the locals

My concession was to seek out Sam Smiths pubs

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My concession was to seek out Sam Smiths pubs

Five within 1/2 a mile of where I'm sitting.

Good times.

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The City pubs mainly all shut by 8pm but the West End was always thronging

A bit too thronging sometimes, at least 'til the theatre crowds had to leave for their shows.

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There are people like that but offices in London are incredibly unfriendly, impersonal places. People simply do not talk to each other. Pubs can be another matter.

I've never worked in an office so can't really relate to that. But I'm sure there are offices like that everywhere.

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I've never worked in an office so can't really relate to that. But I'm sure there are offices like that everywhere.

Possibly but I've only found them in London.

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That is often true but it's also the case that office staff had little connection with where they worked. If you ask for directions in the centre of London then you'll often get the reply "I don't know mate, I only work here, I go home after work". Also because of the size of the offices and the rapid turnover of staff, people would wait a long time before they decided whether you were worth getting to know you. I knew people who had worked in a particular office for ten years but didn't have any real friends because they weren't part of any particular team so nobody bothered to talk to them.

I had to travel to London in the mid-eighties to collect a replacement car- mine was badly damaged. (I have been there since :dry: ) A number of people boarded the train at Doncaster, and clearly from their conversation they travelled together on this train every day. They commuted regularly from Doncaster to London for work. Presumably property was/ is still miles cheaper in Doncaster than in and around London. The train only takes 90 minutes from Doncaster to Kings Cross. So I suppose compared to travel times from "the Home Counties" it made/makes sense. What I wondered was is it still the case today or has the escalation in rail fares made it no longer an economical proposition?

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I had to travel to London in the mid-eighties to collect a replacement car- mine was badly damaged. (I have been there since :dry: ) A number of people boarded the train at Doncaster, and clearly from their conversation they travelled together on this train every day. They commuted regularly from Doncaster to London for work. Presumably property was/ is still miles cheaper in Doncaster than in and around London. The train only takes 90 minutes from Doncaster to Kings Cross. So I suppose compared to travel times from "the Home Counties" it made/makes sense. What I wondered was is it still the case today or has the escalation in rail fares made it no longer an economical proposition?

I do remember reading in the late eighties and nineties about Doncaster being an outlying suburb of London. Crazy, but then not as crazy as trying to afford property in London.

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