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Salford Trouble/Salford Takeover

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The minimum standards??

Which ones? Those applied to SL clubs who need a business plan to turn over £4,000,000 plus a year and 8,000 to 10,000 crowds to fund it or the highly relaxed standards applied to "one championship club will be guaranteed a place subject to minimum standards" of a turnover of at least £1,000,000 (wow!) and 2,500 crowds (breathtaking).

What you miss is your championship darlings currently don't even meet the latter standards, but Castleford, Salford and even London beat them by a mile.

You also raise the silly old chestnut of telling us a club who is not under pressure to compete in the lower division making a few grand on a small turnover is "well managed" and those badly stretched to compete, and pushed to compete against the biggest clubs in Britain are "badly managed".

That is so simplistic it does you no favours.

There are no minimum standards that you describe above regarding revenue and crowds that are

applied to clubs in SL through any RFL or SL governance documents. No standards of revenue or attendances are enforced by either governing body.

These are your standards that you have developed over your posts in the past 2 - 3 months and they have been repeated so often that they may seem to some like the SL standards!

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I have no problem with a conversation developing but that's not what is happening. Every topic of conversation is being steered back to the same subject, with the same arguments.

Develop away on the Oldham/Salford one to your hearts content.

Leave this for rumour and conjecture. ;)

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I hope we can pull through, but it seems increasingly unlikely that we can pull a rabbit out of the hat in time to allow us to be anything other than whipping boys next year. I don't want that. I'd rather we accepted that the impossible dream is over and drop back down to the championship. It is only a game, when all is said and done.

I wonder where I will be watching my rugby next year? The KC? Odsal? Headingley? Nooooooo! I might just start watching York again after a gap of 30+ years.

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There are no minimum standards that you describe above regarding revenue and crowds

Read it more carefully. I'm saying these are the sort of sums and attendances clubs need to finance a competitive Superleague club. This is the sort of thing the adequate business plan (which IS a standard) needs to add up to.

This is why (to keep it to Salford :lol: )

They are in schtuk, because they don't get those sort of attendances. They said it themselves.

Their 5,800 is not good enough.

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Read it more carefully. I'm saying these are the sort of sums and attendances clubs need to finance a competitive Superleague club. This is the sort of thing the adequate business plan (which IS a standard) needs to add up to.

This is why (to keep it to Salford :lol: )

They are in schtuk, because they don't get those sort of attendances. They said it themselves.

Their 5,800 is not good enough.

"Those applied to SL clubs" implies a bit more than the numbers that may or may not be in a business plan........

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"Those applied to SL clubs" implies a bit more than the numbers that may or may not be in a business plan........

My clumsy phrasiology.

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Leave this for rumour and conjecture. ;)

I would if only we could get a rumour.

First RJW comes on to tell us he knows something but won't say, now Canetman does it.

So what else do you want to talk about given nobody's saying nowt?

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Padge I hope some day life improves for you and science finds a way to stop the turds exiting your mouth.

Huddersfield were promoted averaging less than 2500 not too long ago, same with Salford and Crusaders. We know minimum standards are selective otherwise Cas wouldn't have got back in or HKR at all.

The fact is that we have 2 divisions within SL and 3/4 clubs stranded within the desert island that is the Championship, but the structural gap between part time and top SL is huge and cannot be bridged with our current set up. If we had a two tier FT set up Salford could get relegated, regroup within a FT structure and potentially grow as a newly defined Manchester brand.

Our current structures breed a mixture desperation and apathy, change and vision are needed.

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Padge I hope some day life improves for you and science finds a way to stop the turds exiting your mouth.

Huddersfield were promoted averaging less than 2500 not too long ago, same with Salford and Crusaders. We know minimum standards are selective otherwise Cas wouldn't have got back in or HKR at all.

The fact is that we have 2 divisions within SL and 3/4 clubs stranded within the desert island that is the Championship, but the structural gap between part time and top SL is huge and cannot be bridged with our current set up. If we had a two tier FT set up Salford could get relegated, regroup within a FT structure and potentially grow as a newly defined Manchester brand.

Our current structures breed a mixture desperation and apathy, change and vision are needed.

I'll ignore your first line of abuse.

Huddersfield where promoted in to SL in 1998 with an average crowd for 1997 in div2 of 3,723, in 2002 they got 2,570 which is actually more than 2,500 by my maths, do you want to go away and check some facts before you continue.

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I hope we can pull through, but it seems increasingly unlikely that we can pull a rabbit out of the hat in time to allow us to be anything other than whipping boys next year. I don't want that. I'd rather we accepted that the impossible dream is over and drop back down to the championship. It is only a game, when all is said and done.

I wonder where I will be watching my rugby next year? The KC? Odsal? Headingley? Nooooooo! I might just start watching York again after a gap of 30+ years.

You will be made very welcome at Huntington Stadium.

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I'll ignore your first line of abuse.

Huddersfield where promoted in to SL in 1998 with an average crowd for 1997 in div2 of 3,723, in 2002 they got 2,570 which is actually more than 2,500 by my maths, do you want to go away and check some facts before you continue.

Your choice to ignore, my hope is for the cure.

I am glad you have access to that data and the time to look for it, was it just for league games or did it include the 5500 play off gate?

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If Salford have to drop to he CC and Oldham get promoted to the CC, who will be the feeder club for whom?

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You would assume that both clubs would walk away at that stage, the arrangement now being of little value to either side

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Whichever way you look at it several SL clubs seem to be in meltdown and i know of one other (Not including Reds/Tigers) that is seriously in the poo (And before anyone asks its not the Dragons or London or Hull KR)

CM

Would this be the source of your 'seriously in the poo' knowledge?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20598218

It's no real surprise to read this, only doing what is prudent.

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You also raise the silly old chestnut of telling us a club who is not under pressure to compete in the lower division making a few grand on a small turnover is "well managed" and those badly stretched to compete, and pushed to compete against the biggest clubs in Britain are "badly managed".

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Which club is not under pressure to compete?

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Which club is not under pressure to compete?

SL clubs who are supposed to provide a competitive league through all paying the full cap.

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SL clubs who are supposed to provide a competitive league through all paying the full cap.

So you are saying clubs in the CC arent under pressure to compete?

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So you are saying clubs in the CC arent under pressure to compete?

I would say the CC clubs are more under pressure than the SL clubs because the SL doesn't have relegation and we all know the oblivion you drop into if you get relegated from champ 1

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I would say the CC clubs are more under pressure than the SL clubs because the SL doesn't have relegation and we all know the oblivion you drop into if you get relegated from champ 1

That's a great post Gaz. Your right in a way. However to avoid failing in CC you need £300K for wages, to avoid collapse in SL you need £1.6M for wages..

Roughly over 5 times the financial pressure........

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That's a great post Gaz. Your right in a way. However to avoid failing in CC you need £300K for wages, to avoid collapse in SL you need £1.6M for wages..

Roughly over 5 times the financial pressure........

I agree parksider but how many SL clubs actually pay the full salary cap except your big teams. Also when relegation comes in for the one season a lot of the so called small clubs go into a panic of frenzy of paying silly wages.

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You also raise the silly old chestnut of telling us a club who is not under pressure to compete in the lower division making a few grand on a small turnover is "well managed" and those badly stretched to compete, and pushed to compete against the biggest clubs in Britain are "badly managed".

So which CLUB in the CC, were you referring to that isnt under pressure to compete?

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This whole thread has become silly, ill-informed nonsense.

Don't forget the misinformation, rumour, half-truths and innuendo.

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