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Salford Trouble/Salford Takeover

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Awful situation, but who didn't see this coming unfortunately?

Salford have no money. No assets. A small squad. A small fan base. Who's going to buy them out? I think that unless a multi-millionaire willing to make a huge loss for a few years is found quickly, the RFL need to make a decision. Salford won't make it through the season for sure under present circumstances. Should they shop around for a potential replacement?

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Is this another club that have pulled the wool over the RFL's eyes in the licence grading?

I know the RFL employed a national accounting business to undertake this audit, but if the money they were willing to pay was low, then they'll have been given a green graduate or 2 who tick boxes and agree with everything they are told and see.

Was Salford on the agenda at the recent conference? Sounds not, but they should have been.

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Salford to me have in recent years only payed lip service to junior development. Their match day marketing has also been poor in my opinion. They did very little in my opinion apart from theimmediate locals to let people know when they were playing a home, against who they were playing a home game, and the day and the KO time time for their home games.

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But you didn't give any money so why the concern? I did and am not bothered because ultimately the club are still here.

You made a virtue of raising the £500k suggesting it made Bradford more deserving of a bail-out.

i'm not concerned other per-se other than i don't think its right at all to suggest that Bradford are more deserving of a bail-out based on a very dodgy ask they made of the RL community for £500k. remember, lots of non-Bradford fans contributed - some significantly - only for the club to then need bailing out again. Bradford should have come clean up-front as I am sure many contributors would have found a better use for the money they put in. there's no virtue at all in the way that was done.

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I didn't say Bradford were more deserving, only that plenty of people were willing to help the club out. Hence the RFL saw it as a sign of interest still being there.

I hope the same thing happens for Salford.

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I didn't say Bradford were more deserving, only that plenty of people were willing to help the club out. Hence the RFL saw it as a sign of interest still being there.

I hope the same thing happens for Salford.

Totally agree, but feel that things are looking much bleaker for Salford. Everyone in Bradford showed how much the club meant to them; the fans, players, coaches and local businessmen/politicians were all prepared to take a financial hit to ensure the future of the club.

The word sadly that you would use to sum up the current plight of Salford is indifference. Their splendidly loyal fans have not been able to persuade enough of their mates to come along and make the club viable, and this is despite having access to one of the biggest potential fan bases in the country. Their best players, understandably, are doing what is right for themselves and signing for other clubs with more potential. The local politicians have now washed their hands of the club and despite the Greater Manchester area having many millionaires, not one has stepped forward to bankroll the club.

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As a Leeds fan going to Salford has become quite a depressing affair. I loved the willows and even though okay it was old and a bit run down it had the atmosphere and I came away having enjoyed the occasion.

I went last season to the new ground and I have to say it is in my opinion the worst ground in Super League in all aspects. Terrible location, no pubs, nothing to do around the ground etc the list could go on.

I have nothing against Salford or the fans I just think the stadium change was a bad move and I along with many other Rhinos fans last season all said we would not go back again!

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Atmosphere? The Willows was a dump..unfit for purpose. How long has the new ground been open and yet its already being rubbished? It can't be that bad as over 9,000 turned out at the weekend to watch Sale Sharks..more than the England v France game I went to.

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It strikes me that this has been on the cards for Salford for some years, probably since they last got relegated I think.

Unable to grow their crowds at all - where other perennial strugglers like Wakey and Huddersfield had done. Persistently poor results, lack of investments (or a more "managed" administration like ultimately seems to have benefited Wakefield)

Perhaps even the very changing demographic of the City of Salford has actually scuppered it? (As with many traditional club supporter bases)

Salford strike me as a club that "should" be in Super League, but the city of Salford isn't the place for them and can't support them any more - if that makes sense.

I hope it's sorted for them though.

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Couple of things about the Bradford saga -

It wasn't fraud, the initial 500k was stated as getting the club through the immediate future, as in the following two or three weeks. That money went exactly where the club said it would which was to the tax office and the players/staff and got the club through that two to three weeks. What didn't occur was the further invesment in the club that was more likely to happen if the initial 500k was raised. That's for a whole multitude of reasons, but it certainly wasn't to line the pockets of anyone who wasn't already owed money. That was always the gamble and it was explicitly stated that raising the money is only a guarantee of the club existing a few more days, and it did that.

Someone chipped in about SL not stepping in to buy Salford - the difference in this case is that it was essentially a powerplay to flush out a buyer (and a bloody good one at that), essentially rendering the administrator powerless. If SL had been accepted as the owner of the Bulls, it wouldn't have been permenantly, they knew there were interested parties waiting in the wings. If there hadn't been, there is no way the clubs would have bought Bradford. Alas, it doesn't look as if anyone is willing to step in for Salford at the moment, and they aren't currently in administration so it's not comparing like with like.

Sorry to derail the thread further. All I can say to the Salford fans is I hope for the best. I'll certainly be helping out in any way I can. The situations may not be the same on paper, but if you are anything like me I know you'll be feeling just dreadful. Hope it's turned around soon.

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Have they launched a fundraising appeal? I'm sure most wouldn't mind donating a few quid/pence? I'll chuck something in anyway.

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It strikes me that this has been on the cards for Salford for some years, probably since they last got relegated I think.

Unable to grow their crowds at all - where other perennial strugglers like Wakey and Huddersfield had done. Persistently poor results, lack of investments (or a more "managed" administration like ultimately seems to have benefited Wakefield)

Perhaps even the very changing demographic of the City of Salford has actually scuppered it? (As with many traditional club supporter bases)

Salford strike me as a club that "should" be in Super League, but the city of Salford isn't the place for them and can't support them any more - if that makes sense.

I hope it's sorted for them though.

I think that is a fair assessment.

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Couple of things about the Bradford saga -

It wasn't fraud, the initial 500k was stated as getting the club through the immediate future, as in the following two or three weeks. That money went exactly where the club said it would which was to the tax office and the players/staff and got the club through that two to three weeks. What didn't occur was the further invesment in the club that was more likely to happen if the initial 500k was raised. That's for a whole multitude of reasons, but it certainly wasn't to line the pockets of anyone who wasn't already owed money. That was always the gamble and it was explicitly stated that raising the money is only a guarantee of the club existing a few more days, and it did that.

thankyou. that explains the basis of the ask as long as it was explained to those who contributed.

As said, circumstances are different but the fact that Bradford made such an ask shouldn't be seen as a virtue.

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As far as I am aware (no access to Facebook at work) The club have yet to make any sort of statement regarding the situation.

It is difficult to launch a rescue fund if the club is going to be wound up.

No club in SL could be run on the money provided by fans.

I am amazed by the number of experts on Salford posting on here.

No Academy? I wonder who played Leeds in the play off then.

Players are out in the community, there is work going on to expand the catchment area.

There are many things wrong at Salford, much of it in the administration adn hopefully if the club can survive then a new board would help resolve some of the issues.

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One glimmer of light for them - if ever there is a good time to be casting around for loans and offcasts it would be this year given the numbers of over 20s in limbo. Certainly, Wigan will have a number of fringe but very good players available. If the SL clubs put their minds to it they could certainly assist the Reds put a squad together.

Good luck to the Reds. My heart bleeds for their fans.

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Atmosphere? The Willows was a dump..unfit for purpose. How long has the new ground been open and yet its already being rubbished? It can't be that bad as over 9,000 turned out at the weekend to watch Sale Sharks..more than the England v France game I went to.

Agreed it was a bit of a dump.

Doesn't matter that it's only just opened, you can never change the location of the ground and so it will never take off in my opinion.

And comparing League and Union attendances doesn't count for anything, this is a Rugby League problem with Salford!

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Did they? Yes they paid the Sky funding midseason to the Administrators to get the club through the rest of the season and then "made a bid" in order to flush out other buyers?

Yes they did, you nicely missed off the purchase of the lease for "iconic" Odsal and the 'cough' "market value" rental terms.

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Salford to me have in recent years only payed lip service to junior development.

It's tough when the junior RL set up in Salford is scant, and when any quality kid in the Manchester/Salford area may have offers from Leeds, Fartown, Bradford, Wigan, Saints and Wire as well as their local club. Any kid that does become a star at Salford as we see will still end up with one of those clubs anyway.

There isn't enough young talent to go round.

Similarly the Salford club are renown for losing, being relegated and not getting in the play offs. They are famous for letting 94 in at Odsal.That supresses crowds and that's whey RFL/SLE know they really want an even competition so clubs have the chance to "do a bit" and attract people through the gate, they may be able to keep. That's why Championship clubs wanting to enter SL have to realise fans just won't turn up because it's SL. Widnes must have been disappointed with their showing too.

10,000 turned up for old times sake when the Willows went but that did not translate to crowds at Barton. Even the away crowd was poor at times as a fixture with Salford doesn't excite.

I was interested in Page's point about Barton and the cost. More so when you look at Sale and their disinterested owner and the club bottom of the RU which he pointed out.

It was suggested that Peel Holdings may prop the club up in order to be able to keep the stadium money coming in? But is that a viable proposition financially and should RFL/SLE allow a club to be "propped up" so some rich development company can keep getting the rent - anyone well up on this?? Thoughts??

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Agreed it was a bit of a dump.

Doesn't matter that it's only just opened, you can never change the location of the ground and so it will never take off in my opinion. Think of it this way. Once upon a time, there was no ground there. Now there is. Equally, once upon a time, there were no pubs there. Now the developers see that quite a few people go to the ground, they may find a pub makes perfect sense .I think it might not always be good business to site a stadium because there are pubs nearby. Pubs as we know , can be temporary, as can pub licences. Finally, it may well be that the development plan for the area already includes a pub.

And comparing League and Union attendances doesn't count for anything, this is a Rugby League problem with Salford! ​ Certainly, 9,000 people went, as did almost that many when England played

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For a club "unable to grow its crowds", Salford averaged 4,166 in 2010; 4,563 in 2011 and now 5,431 in 2012.

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You would expect there to be a significant increase in the move to the new stadium though. It's if they retain them which will be interesting (if they get the chance)

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You would expect there to be a significant increase in the move to the new stadium though.

Why would you? That's a nudging 20% increase right there.

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For a club "unable to grow its crowds", Salford averaged 4,166 in 2010; 4,563 in 2011 and now 5,431 in 2012.

An average growth rate of 632 fans a year.

Marvellous growth. I estimate Salford will be solvent paying full cap in four years time from now on that growth. Sounds a great investment.

Do they need to go back to the Willows every year to recreate their "last game" before 10,000 old time fans? to keep the attendance levels up :lol:

Salford returned to SL in 2009 on 4390 a figure that remained stagnant until the "stadium effect" which wasn't enough.

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You would expect there to be a significant increase in the move to the new stadium though.

Nigh on 50% for Wire and Hull.

After that you need to win some matches to increase it.

A 20% increase on a low crowd anyway and no change to losing all the time gave Mr. Wilkinson all he needed to know.

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Why would you? That's a nudging 20% increase right there.

Not to be childish, but why wouldn't you? The last match at the Willows has a lot to say for that 20% nudge - 10.000 for a match that going by the rest of the 2011 attendences would have been lucky to attract 3,500 on a regular weekend.

A new stadium creates a lot of intrigue for home and away fans alike - but only when it's new. Salford certainly haven't made the most of the move.

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